Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: IMSAM
a reply to: Sublant



Doesn't the craft operate while airborne? Unless theres something i missed in his interview.Sadly they didnt mention the poster part in the roegan interview

I thought there was supposed to be a satellite image of a stationary craft, possibly on the ground. Can't remember exactly, haven't bought the poster and not planning to...

a reply to: Sublant

kes which are difficult to understand and explain. That being said, I want to look at the message and facts as much as the players and their possible motivations. 

Well, what do you think the message is, so far?

The "threat" buzzword seems to come up a lot. Why do you think that is? After more than 70 years of these things in the sky and elsewhere, why haven't they told us about this threat before?

They were not shy with the information that the Soviets had nuclear missiles aimed at most US cities back in the day, and you can't really face a more dire threat than that, now can you? Nuclear annhilation is pretty bad as threats go.

As to the motivations of the actors, well that is what this thread is about. So you can hardly blame us for concentrating on that? The Nimitz incident and other cases TTSA have presented have their own threads.

Why, if you are more interested in the facts than possible motivations, have you made most of your posts on this thread since you joined?

Are you really that averse to the fact that we discuss the telationships and past history of the people involved? Why is that so bad?

a reply to: Willtell

Why is it that I have no interest in tonight's episode or the Rendlesham incident.....

I will give it a watch...but it seems like your classic/typical UAP/UFO encounter where individuals see lights in forest.

I hope its more than unidentified lights in a forest and individuals getting sick. I hope there is video, radar, and hard signal intelligence. Eyewitness testimony (except for Dave Fravor) is simply not compelling to me.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Do you really believe what you just wrote. It will be interesting to see what you write tomorrow .

a reply to: Sublant







here found it,its "hovering"

33:40 onwards

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Willtell

Why is it that I have no interest in tonight's episode or the Rendlesham incident.....

I will give it a watch...but it seems like your classic/typical UAP/UFO encounter where individuals see lights in forest.

I hope its more than unidentified lights in a forest and individuals getting sick. I hope there is video, radar, and hard signal intelligence. Eyewitness testimony (except for Dave Fravor) is simply not compelling to me.

Here's an eyewitness you probably won't hear from, who infers the unidentified light was eventually identified (though other eyewitnesses don't agree).

Rendlesham Forest

For example, A1C Chris Arnold, who placed the call to the police and waited at the end of the access road, gave this description in a 1997 interview:

There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to determine what they were... Contrary to what some people assert, at the time almost none of us knew there was a lighthouse at Orford Ness. Remember, the vast majority of folks involved were young people, 19, 20, 25 years old. Consequently it wasn't something most of the troops were cognizant of. That's one reason the lights appeared interesting or out of the ordinary to some people.

They didn't know about the lighthouse according to him. Some other witnesses disagree and claim they knew but if you read the witness statements from around the time of the incident, they seem to confirm that they were unaware of the lighthouse and when they followed the light, they ended up seeing the lighthouse better and finally realized it was a lighthouse. Col Halt had some confusion about the lighthouses because he apparently didn't know there was more than one lighthouse and because there were twin bases and the lighthouses had different bearings from the two bases. The hardest evidence that's public is Halt's audio tape, which indicates he saw the light at a 5 second interval. Guess what the flash rate of the lighthouse was? Would you believe 5 seconds?

Every lighthouse has a published interval at which it flashes. This is how sea captains are able to identify which light they're seeing. The Orfordness lighthouse has an interval of 5 seconds. Now listen to the same exchange again; I've added a beep at exactly five second intervals:

You can listen to the audio with a beep added at a 5 second interval. Seems like an incredible coincidence that Halt saw the light at the same interval as that lighthouse if it wasn't the lighthouse with the 5 second interval.

The only thing strange about John Burroughs is why his medical records were so highly classified, but we aren't really sure if that has something to do with Rendlesham Forest or something else. One speculation is he was subjected to some kind of experiment, but we may never know as his records may never be declassified.

The other thing that's very strange if you believe even half the hype about nuclear weapons being threatened by unknown intruders is that the base decided the approproate response for this was to do exactly nothing to protect the weapons, but instead to tromp around in the woods and misinterpret a Geiger counter and animal scratches in the forest.

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: Sublant

kes which are difficult to understand and explain. That being said, I want to look at the message and facts as much as the players and their possible motivations. 

Well, what do you think the message is, so far?

The "threat" buzzword seems to come up a lot. Why do you think that is? ?

I think that the message is "they" are here and the government knows a lot more about them than they've said earlier.

I don't think the threat narrative has been pushed too much, if at all. TDL has made statements that some of them may want us harm, but I've seen a lot worse fearmongering in my time. After 9/11 and in the early 80's for example. That's also the time I got interested in the phenomena btw.

My view on this might come from the fact that I'm former military. It was my job everyday to prepare for war and be prepared to kill as efficiently as much of the enemy as possible. To me TTSA don't seem especially alarming in that sense.

a reply to: Sublant

See, now we are exchanging views.

As a former military guy/gal, what is your take on the fact that only the Navy seems to be taking this seriously and the AirForce, who initially was very much involved, still seems reluctant to engage with the subject?

Isn't that a little peculiar?

a reply to: Sublant

The name of the program had the word "Threat" in the title, the program of which has been used as the foundation for TTSA - considering its members and their work in this government program.

Luis Elizondo on all his TV interviews uses the word threat continuously; admittedly in relation to if it cannot be identified it is classed as a threat until its intentions or origins are known.

Tom De Longe has stated that a UFO shooting down a helicopter will be featured in the TV show! If that kind of a statement isnt reinforcing a threat angle I don't know what is.

Unidentified Episode 3;

Elizondo: “I realized that none of the information and developments that we had in our program in AATIP was being communicated to the Secretary of Defense.”

Narrator: “Elizondo believed the threat was so great, that it required the attention of then Secretary of Defense, James Mattis.”

Luis Elizondo at SCU;

"You’ll see “a comprehensive picture of the effects on our men and women in uniform that this phenomenon has. That may include even medical effects.”

- on a question regarding Rendlesham being in the TV show. Threats to service men and women on the ground NOT just in the air.

Anthony Lappe;

You’re gonna see people who have everything to lose. They’ve worked their whole lives to reach where they are and they’re coming forward saying that they feel like there’s a potential threat here that needs to be addressed.”

Hal Puthoff;

"There is a two-fold nature to the threat. First of all, you’ve got these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles flying around that we don’t know where they come from, who’s driving them, what the intent is – possibly off-world even. But the future threat, was actually as far as the Department of Defense went and the intelligence community, one of the greater concerns.

What happens if potential adversaries achieve significant breakthroughs by getting hold of advanced technology either based on their study of the phenomena, or from sensor data, or from crash retrieved materials? That could provide a problem for the United States in the sense of threat. There’s reason to be concerned about that."

Jeremy Corbell;

"Communications are often jammed and again, Commander Fravor hasn’t publicly really stated this in detail but I will tell you directly, that it jammed his systems. That’s an easy way to say it. You understand optical systems are connected to weapon systems. So that’s something that, you know, probably is a threatening action.

Chris Mellon

He doesn’t claim to know what these unusual crafts might be, nor does he assume they bring “aliens” from afar. To him, they signal a potential high-level strategic threat of unknown origin—one the nation would be foolish to ignore.

This took me 7 mins to put together and a few quick scans of articles, still don't think there is a threat potential being presented? This is not me talking either, these are the members of TTSA or those closely associated...

I will let their words do the talking...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Yes, it's not so subtle.

And to think they waited 70 years to tell us, you'd have to question the wisdom of that decision at least.

That is if one believes there really is a threat out there.

I should think the MOD in the UK also have a few things to answer for with their "No Defense Interest" stance.

A few people must be feeling a bit daft now, when it is clear that it is indeed a most significant threat. A threat of no defence interest.

What a peculiar kind of threat that must be.

a reply to: pigsy2400
I said that the threat narrative hasn't been pushed too much.

Anything unknown or unidentified, especially inside the "bubble", has to be considered as potentially a threat. Anything else would be dereliction of duty.

I have this feeling that in the end this threat will be "aviation concerns" and we will be at step one again.


Because from all this hype they generate i get the feeling its something important and urgent.Aviation concerns due to ufos are there since 1950

a reply to: Sublant

You have to admit though that there is a difference between considering something a threat and pushing a public perception of it as such.

They have been encountering these things for over 70 years, so unless there have been dereliction of duty all these years, this is nothing new.

As to the Counter Intelligence angle, don't you find it a bit curious that a CI operative is front and center in this push? Surrounded by quite a number of people closely associated with the CIA?

Your nick hints at submarine forces. Is that your former branch? Why do you think the navy brass are keeping so quiet about this threat? We've had no comments from the top brass of either the Nimitz carrier or the Princeton. Why do you think that is?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

The only thing strange about John Burroughs is why his medical records were so highly classified, but we aren't really sure if that has something to do with Rendlesham Forest or something else.

......has that particular claim about levels of classification of medical records ever been evidenced by an independent source?

How does medical records classification even work?...
You ask to see someone else's records (with their explicit permission) and you get a letter back from the Government saying this is more classified than your clearance level, here's how much above your level it is and ....oh BTW... feel free to mention this fact if you are ever speaking to strangers on the internet?

Another radio show hosted by Knapp. Dr Sarfatti and also Michael Masters on the show. Jack seems quite urgent in his talk and wants Zondo and co to have him onboard. I also noted a mention of Hal Puthoff having had a similar experience as to what Jack did when younger. That I did not know.


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New article by the Drive.

Sheds some lights on certain Navy patents, which I think have been brought up before on this thread.

The War Zone

Apparently the arguments used to get the patents granted was that the Chinese might already been doing some similar stuff.

a reply to: beetee

Looks like Tyler was scooped a while back by Linda Moulton Howe!



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a reply to: beetee

Like I said......the UAPs maybe of terrestrial origin....and "The TECH EXIST"

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Sorry but "Dr." Sarfatti is a Quack......