Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Well, I didn't quite say that he needed to prove anything, just that he needed to add something.

If we are guilty of actively supressing alternative viewpoints, then that is certainly a problem.

And, I might add in the interest of fairness, one that TTSA and the Young Guns seem not quite innocent of themselves.

For my part, I have no vested interest in the failure or success of TTSA. I do want to get closer to the truth about this enigma that is UAPs or UFOs or whatever, and then you must forgive me for getting a bit annoyed when I get the sense (yet again) that someone is not being quite truthful. And, what's even worse, making a show of it to boot...

I freely admit I get a little cross, then. Don't you?

a reply to: coursecatalog

Well my good friend....if disclosure does happen via TDL/AATIP

This is where it all started....here on this website.... thanks to TFT....
Who knows...another potential leaky maybe at hand.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Ohh you spoil us with your promises and predictions.... I think you might be right too.

I'm good at reading

Many here have very different perspectives on ufos in general but this particular TTS drama, there is a unity that it is a government psyop all the way to its just a flimsy concocted (for whatever reason) ufo research group with flimsy questionable output.

I agree with aspects of the above point. Its very apparent that its a GOV backed entity. The rest of your statement is debatable but highly valid due to TTSA's association with Hal, Semivan, and undisclosed players in the background...

But at somepoint you have to step back and ask yourself....why....what's the point of using TTSA as a psyop org.

Something tells me this is not the most effective means of accomplishing their agenda (which is what..?)

I am absolutely convinced that there are more effective means of significantly impacting the sheepeople out there.
I don't know....we are living in interesting times....I can't wait to see how this plays out.
I am not sure what the could do to move the needle further...

originally posted by: mirageman

He is in reality a man of limited vocabulary who often confuses his "were"," wear", "where" and "we're" and "there", "they're" or "their" when he attempts to post his own comments on social media. I'd place the inability to comprehend the various differences between the various past and present participles of the verb 'to be' in that category too.

But utilising someone more able to articulate his thoughts in writing for him should be viewed as a positive step in my opinion.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that and after reading it I contemplated two opposing ideas. A.) He didn't write it or had help writing it, or B.) Kit managed to enhance him in the laboratory with whatever the heck they're working on.

Admittedly the prior is Ocaam's. However, I read it twice and there definitely seems to be some of John's personality in it.

Excellent work going back in time and contrasting the statements. I believe you made some points that will bear more fruit going forward.

originally posted by: mirageman

..I was working with Puthoff and Green on a confidential basis, looking for the answers that would save/prolong my life, on the assumption that none of the details would need to be made public. It was their program to sort this out, not mine.

In the context above was Puthoff's role with Burrough's ever established?

a reply to: The GUT

Burroughs winning damages as an active-duty serviceman is truly astonishing. The standard of care/neglect is a high bar to clear (I’d google the DoD doctrine that predicates the legal standard but I’d never make it back to my reply — ABC is currently airing “Holey Moley” miniature golf) and I’d hazard a guess that if USMC servicemen and their families are still populating a EPA SuperFund Site (Jesus ‘A Christ, the tragedy that is Camp Lejuene...) and Jon Stewart is mean-mugging Mitch McConnell on C-SPAN for cutting benefits to first responders of Ground Zero/Twin Towers, John Burroughs, in any rational logically-predicated world, got paid for being a stooge.

It’s really that simple...particularly, when taking something like the current state of Camp Lejuene (lots of sick people that will suffer and die from a KNOWN vector but never be ‘compensated’) or the state of the 9/11 first responders’ fund into account. Amirite?!

Back to whacky mini-golf with your favorite ex-marine, Rob ‘you-will-never-be-funnier-than-Bradshaw-on-Sundays’ Riggle...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Well my good friend....if disclosure does happen via TDL/AATIP This is where it all started....here on this website.... thanks to TFT.... Who knows...another potential leaky maybe at hand.

Oh, ATS, so much to answer for.
Oh, ATS so much to answer for.

Someone asked me if Kit Green really does have an association with ATS. Here's his own words from the disclaimer at the bottom of Kit's message about helping John:

[Disclosure Statements: 1) I did not clear this short statement with John Burroughs, his Attorney, anyone in my government including my Contracting Officers’ Technical Representatives. 2) I am a Chief Medical Advisor to ATS. 3. I own a fraction of a fraction of a % of Stock in The Above Network, LLC. I receive no compensation. ]

Christopher C. Green MD, PhD, FAAFS

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Here's an opportunity to get to know Kit (and Springer) a little better:
Was Swine Flu a thang? That's rhetorical but let the idea simmer for a minute as this may be worth revisiting.

From about 10-yrs ago but I note that Kit is a very youthful fellow for his age.

a reply to: Cravens

The following paper was dropped in association with Burrough’s case and referenced in Project Condign. While Kit was very kind in helping Burrough’s with the physical damage to his heart, I’d say Kit’s professional interest is much deeper considering his own field of study.

..Neurological, rather than biological effects may be the clue to some human behavior after exposure in the near field of UAP radiation. Particularly sensitive are the temporal lobe areas of the brain. Unlike other parts of the brain, the temporal cortex can be rendered electrically unstable…

…The amount of scientific papers on human interaction with RF fields is prodigious - 4500 papers alone between 1978 and 1984!

Non-Ionizing Effects On Humans EM Field From Plasma (PDF)

Since the 1984 reference above there are a lot more studies on EM-effects especially from a military-industrial complex pov as regards weaponization and associated topics.

Sober interview from a man that has nothing to lose.....

Former Speaker of the house...maybe 3 to 4 more years of life....

"hmmm you know what it would be an excellent idea for me to tarnish my reputation/legacy...and play GOV psy ops games with the public...just for the hell of it." This logic does not make any sense ...yet what most people claim regarding Reid.

Very Sober interview

The Unidentified theme for tomorrows show

The team follows a trail of explosive evidence connecting UFOs to the most destructive weapons in human history. A former US Air Force Colonel discloses an encounter of Christmas Eve 1980 at a base hiding a secret stockpile of nuclear weapons

Wow. Very interested in seeing this.

Is it possible TTSA is going to try to make a story around aliens as a threat, after all?
The latter refers to the Rendlesham Forest Incident.

The beat goes on...

I guess we'll have some good rap on this one tomorrow.

a reply to: The GUT

Funny, me and Kit were working at GM around about the same time

I must admit I never saw him walking around the plant with any nerve gas or a stethoscope.

a reply to: celltypespecific

He wasn't speaker of the House but the leader of the Senate.

The millionaires club

originally posted by: Willtell
The Unidentified theme for tomorrows show

The team follows a trail of explosive evidence connecting UFOs to the most destructive weapons in human history. A former US Air Force Colonel discloses an encounter of Christmas Eve 1980 at a base hiding a secret stockpile of nuclear weapons

Wow. Very interested in seeing this.

Is it possible TTSA is going to try to make a story around aliens as a threat, after all?
The latter refers to the Rendlesham Forest Incident.

The beat goes on...

I guess we'll have some good rap on this one tomorrow.

Fear is a very good way to draw people and congress attention. That's imo much better than something flying somewhere for some unknown reason.

originally posted by: Willtell

Funny, me and Kit were working at GM around about the same time

I must admit I never saw him walking around the plant with any nerve gas or a stethoscope.

He was probably helping make cars safer I'm sure. Here's a side job John Alexander and Kit were doing circa 2005:

MDM Group, Inc. (OTC.PK: MDDM) advises that MDM Group subsidiary, Harrington Group Limited (HGR.AX) earlier today advised the Australian Stock Exchange of the appointment of an additional three world-renowned homeland security experts as founding members of the Harrington Group Advisory Board.

Joining Colonel John Alexander, a global authority on non-lethal weapons and defense, will be Dr. Christopher Green, a forensic medicine and electrophysiology specialist, Dr. Edward Stephen, a specialist in pharmacology and bioterrorism defense, and Dr. Allen Bain, a leading pharmacologist focused on specialised drug development including new treatments for disorders of electrically active tissue.

The combined expertise of the Advisory Board will provide Harrington with outstanding guidance in strategic product development and commercialisation, and grow the Company's profile in the law enforcement, defense and homeland security sectors.

Harrington Group CEO Marshall Couper said: "All four Advisory Board members have extensive knowledge of Harrington's ShockRounds(TM) electric ammunition technology, as well as outstanding expertise in less-than-lethal weapons, Homeland Security issues and human effects.

"Harrington is focused on accelerating its product development, formalising strategic and commercial relationships and securing the expertise of leaders in the field. The formation of a world class Advisory Board is an important step forward in this strategy."

Joining Colonel Alexander are: Christopher C. Green, MD, PhD, FAAFS

Dr. Green is in the practice of forensic medicine (American Academy of Forensic Sciences) and neuroimaging (Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital/Wayne School of Medicine). His work clinically relates to his expertise as a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. A special research interest involves the way cognition in "making decisions under stress" are modulated by brain systems and neuromuscular control. He is both a faculty member at the Medical School and Fellow in Diagnostic Radiology, and Executive Director for Emergent Technologies.

Dr. Green serves on numerous Department of Defense, Intelligence and National Academy of Sciences Commissions. He Chairs the Science Board for the Undersecretary of the Army for Operations Research and has served as Chair of the Board on Army Science and Technology. He holds the National Intelligence Medal for investigations in forensic intelligence and served as an Officer and continues as a consultant with the Central Intelligence Agency.

Homeland Security, Defense and Human Effects Experts Appointed to Harrington Advisory Board

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Sublant

Maybe you want to believe that disclosure will come from a middle aged ex-punk on a cable channel. That's your privelige. However I'll posit this. It won't change your entrenched point of view but let's just take Lazar for a starter.

1) In 1989 He said he worked on back engineering ET spaceships at Area 51. George Knapp was never able to fully solve whether Bob's story was true or false and it remains in limbo in his mind.

2) Bob Bigelow employed Lazar as a rearcher for a company he set up in Jan 1990. Until he discovered what was supposedly Element 115 was in fact "a commercial emulsive product". That evidence comes from Jacque Vallee's book Forbidden Science 4

3) Bob Bigelow formed NIDS in the late-90s employing George Knapp to work for them. Despite the fall out between Bigelow and Lazar the case has seen George continually ignoring the reason Bigelow disassociated himself with Lazar and continuing to make out it's unsolvable. Maybe they just don't talk. Although Bob Bigelow obviously talked to Vallee and Kit Green. Or maybe Vallee lied?

4) NIDS allegedly was supposed to study strange goings on at Skinwalker Ranch. A place continually claimed to have a rich history of paranomal goings on and UFO sightings. But when you try to find this history of paranormality there is nothing there before Tom Sherman arrived in the mid90s. Sherman was so scared out of his wits that when BIgelow bought the ranch he agreed to sign an NDA and carry on as the caretaker there!!

4) Eric Davis, also a former NIDS employee claims he was spooked by a poltergeist at the ranch whilst working for Bigelow there. The same Eric Davis who also claimed the US had a UFO crash retrieval project. His boss at NIDS John Alexander has always claimed the US government had no UFO projects until after AATIP was revealed.

5) Bob Bigelow, who was in charge of all these people at NIDS 'won' the AAWSAP contract thanks to Harry Reid. AATIP was something to do with this and it is now claimed that the US military has no idea what strange sightings in the skies are. Lazar says he worked on ET spaceships. Bigelow dispensed with him because he lied. Eric Davis said the US has crashed spaceships. Bigelow has said aliens are under our nose. Huge disconnect between connected people there don't you think?

6) At least a dozen people have been injured at Skinwalker Ranch and treated by Kit Green (see UFO People- MJ Banias). However none of this stuff happened until Bigelow took over the ranch. We even have the testimony of a security guard on page one of this thread. He feels he was used as a lab rat on the ranch. Sure he could be lying but it's also been claimed...

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans....

Now if there were no UFOs at the ranch before Bigelow appeared in Utah then what exactly was going on there afterwards. Were NIDS creating UFOs or non-lethal weapon technology to test there. It's also Indian Land and not strictly subject to US Federal law isn't it? All very convenient if you wanted to get something tested.

7) Knapp turns up with his protege Jeremy Corbell who makes two rather limited documentaries that bring nothing new to either the Skinwalker or Lazar stories. Even hyping an FBI raid for all it's worth. When in fact it was nothing to do with finding "a commercial emulsive product" or even Element 115.


That's why we don't believe these people. They are all closely linked, they appear to tell different stories for different audiences. Gullible people who can't do research on their own just eat it up and believe them.

But if you feel any of that is wrong then you are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to create your own truth.

There are tons of things to add about bob but some are eye poking

eg something i found peculiar is in the rogan interview,he says that when you stand below the aircraft,you cant see it,its not visible from below or from above due to gravity doing physics stuff.So if thats true,what about that poster he is selling that russian satellites photographed said object?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Again we always have to do the donkey work don't we?

This one's for Burroughs.....Because previous social media history suggests he is not capable of writing such a note.

He is in reality a man of limited vocabulary who often confuses his "were"," wear", "where" and "we're" and "there", "they're" or "their" when he attempts to post his own comments on social media. I'd place the inability to comprehend the various differences between the various past and present participles of the verb 'to be' in that category too.

But utilising someone more able to articulate his thoughts in writing for him should be viewed as a positive step in my opinion.

I did take note when he said....

..I was working with Puthoff and Green on a confidential basis, looking for the answers that would save/prolong my life, on the assumption that none of the details would need to be made public. It was their program to sort this out, not mine.

Thus I was shocked when Green elected to post a lengthy description of my situation on the discussion board "Above Top Secret"

redpillreports.com...

which read in part:

"Broad-band Non Ionizing Electromagnetic Radiation caused the injuries [to Burroughs]. The [Radio Frequency] is identified in a dozen classified and a half-dozen unclassified studies on cardiological and neurological injuries … not thousands of reports. Very, very few physicians even care about this arcane area of research…and fewer know about the injuries sustained by near-field (< 100 M) to humans. The data is sparse, it is not properly Peer-reviewed, it is not understood, it is not the subject of current research."

I got played in that regard. Green apparently wanted that much to get on the public record...

It goes on to explain how Burroughs feels manipulated by agreeing to whatever it was he agreed.....

When watching Episode 5, be aware of the taste left in your mouth after absorbing the TTSA narrative.
I've tasted their agenda. It left a bitter taste in my mouth. The taste left in your mouth may differ ..

It's not like he's shirked away from the media for the last 15 years. So he surely knows how the media will play the game. He's appeared on a number of History Channel productions including UFO files and Ancient Aliens...

So why did he involve himself with TTSA here?

Reading between the lines Burroughs signed an NDA and was paid a fee for featuring on the show. Something he has done before. He's happy to take the money yet unhappy with how his testimony might be portrayed.

We know he did not write any of those notes. What I do know at one time he was put under pressure getting them out!

This last one makes me go hmmmmm.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Its my bipolar acting up again...

Seemingly , and in your excitement even started your own thread.

a reply to: The GUT

He was probably helping make cars safer I'm sure. Here's a side job John Alexander and Kit were doing circa 2005:

Oh Really GUT. Even though I remember seeing him and some men in black suits with oriental eyes walking around the plant with these really short guys with big heads.

a reply to: mirageman

6) At least a dozen people have been injured at Skinwalker Ranch and treated by Kit Green (see UFO People- MJ Banias). However none of this stuff happened until Bigelow took over the ranch. We even have the testimony of a security guard on page one of this thread. He feels he was used as a lab rat on the ranch. Sure he could be lying but it's also been claimed...

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans....

Now if there were no UFOs at the ranch before Bigelow appeared in Utah then what exactly was going on there afterwards. Were NIDS creating UFOs or non-lethal weapon technology to test there. It's also Indian Land and not strictly subject to US Federal law isn't it? All very convenient if you wanted to get something tested.

Yeah, human-use experimentation and non-lethal weaponry is a recurring theme with some of our players.

We know that that EM fields have been associated with both high-strangeness effects and UFOs. Michael Persinger initially thought his God Helmet put a totally scientifically materialistic spin on what we might call "paranormal" phenomenon.

Next thing you know he's changed his tune and is beaming remote viewing co-pioneer Ingo Swann's brain with EM fields and positing a more "quantum consciousness" theory supportive of PSI phenomena.

Michael Persinger, First "God Helmet," and Subject

In 1974 Persinger proposed that extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves may be able to carry telepathic and clairvoyant information. Persinger has published reports of rudimentary 'telepathic' communication between pairs of subjects in the laboratory.

He has also published increases in remote viewing accuracy of remote viewer Ingo Swann, as measured by a group of ratings of congruence (between Swann's drawings and the locale being 'viewed') by 40 experimentally blind participants during stimulation with complex magnetic fields using a circumcerebral (around the head) eight-channel system.

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The following fascinating vid on magnetic transcranial stimulation might suggest we not rule out Burroughs as the author of that letter just yet. I'm only half-joking because the literature and evidentiary items suggest a lot of research along these lines.

Brings the "antenna" thing maybe into more focus too. Whether there is such a thing or not, it sure makes a good cover for whatever research one might be doing and would be a handy way of providing some willing participants.


More on government labs and PSI testing:

One day in the lab, several members of the Livermore [LLNL] group were monitoring [Uri] Geller during a metal-bending session. They recorded him with audiotape, filmed him with videotape, and photographed him with a variety of still cameras, including one that was sensitive to thermal infrared radiation.

After the experiment they developed all the film and saw something very strange. The infrared camera had caught what seemed to be two diffuse patches of radiation on the upper part of one of the laboratory walls. It was as if someone had briefly shone two large heat sources, either from inside the lab or outside pointing in. The patches grew in intensity for a few frames, then over the next few frames diminished to nothing.

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