The rise of Socialism and it's appeal to young people is troubling

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: toysforadults

People deserve what they EARN, and people are NOT entitled to the fruits of labor their neighbors EARNED.

Yep. What they earn by doing WORK, not by sitting on their arses bossing others around. Work, you know, when you physically do something, or produce something. Not necessarily hard work, a doctor is also producing something. But the rich mostly do NOT produce anything. They leave that to others, whilst trying to earn as much money as possible from other folks hard labour.

originally posted by: neo96

Well, yes, most of them also teach for free, and many of them don't earn that much either. A typical professor will earn less than 100K$ each year, in my country even less. Which is a very decent amount of money, but hardly makes you a greedy profiteer that lives of others labour.

a reply to: neo96

I'm just curious....... who isn't working???? Let's look past your boring platitudes at some data. I prefer data based assertions.

www.statista.com...

Globally, nearly three quarters of young people aged between 18 and 34 work over 40 hours every week. Young workers in India spend the most time in the office with an average weekly shift coming to 52 hours. Millennials in the US and UK work an average of 45 and 41 hours per week respectively.

Look at that, US based "young people" are some of the hardest working people in the world. I'm actually not surprised as I'm the oldest of those young people.

Wait?

Are they productive like you are suggesting they aren't?

www.statista.com...

Look at that, we are right at the top of the list. Amazing. Some of the hardest working people in the world..

www.bls.gov...

Look at that, by a majority we dominate the trades. Not surprised the rest of you are to lazy to work hard or can't do the work anymore. I know I work in the trades.

Oh and manufacturing, oh and mining. Oh in everything actually.

I don't know. Your narrative sounds cool but when you look at the data your point of view is complete bull#.

Keep repeating your ignorant point of view over and over and over though maybe someone who doesn't care what the actual data says will believe you.

a reply to: toysforadults

Not ignorant at all.

Socialists are the minority.

let's see... what kind of degrees is Gen Z getting... I wonder if it's all liberal arts?

As someone working in the trades and getting a STEM degree at the same time I'm curious....

www.nsf.gov...

The number of S&E bachelor’s degrees awarded to women rose from 200,952 in 2000 to 297,539 in 2012. The number of S&E bachelor’s degrees earned by men over this period increased from 197,650 to 291,791.
Between 2000 and 2012, the annual number of S&E bachelor’s degrees increased by 48% for both women and men.

Hmm. Looks like Gen Z is far more interested in these jobs than you thought huh?

I know. It doesn't support your ignorant point of view but hey, I like to look at what the data says because well...

a reply to: neo96

Oh look at that a hacky partisan website with a point of view. Don't care. Let me know when you compile some actual data.

Economic data, or something that is a relevant response to my actual post not making up some garbage strawman you thought I said.

Damn you guys are so bad at this it's funny.

a reply to: toysforadults

Sure is funny.

a reply to: neo96

I think you watch to much Fox News.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

There's a reason I didn't use just Sweden as an example, but the rest of Scandinavia lol. It's really a shame, I hope the people of Sweden can take control and make a before between it's too late.

Government is the cause of nearly every problem in the USA today.

So the logical answer? More Government!

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: toysforadults

People deserve what they EARN, and people are NOT entitled to the fruits of labor their neighbors EARNED.

Lol, I don't think ANYONE is suggesting otherwise... the entire argument is that the average worker is being CHEATED, while employers are taking more and more of the pie and paying less and less in taxes. It's absurd.

I love that all you can do is post memes though rather than have an actual discussion, it's super cool.

a reply to: VoiceOfTheEmperor

the entire argument is that the average worker is being CHEATED,

Which is a GD lie.

Employers are paying for your medicare/social security/unemployment/workman comp insurance on top of paying NOT To work at all.

Their paying double time/triple time for doing the same thing every other day of the week.

Which technology does MOST of the work in ther 21st century.

Household assets account for over $100 trillion dollars compared to Corportate asset that amounts to a third.



www.usdebtclock.org...

So go right on pushing outright lies.

This would all be more salient if anything they were pushing was actually socialism. Rather than y’all just labeling anything to the left of your paradigm as socialism. All they, including sanders, push is progressive reform. No one is talking about nationalization of the banks (though they should). No one is talking about the workers owning the means of production or democracy at Work. Just social program expansion, and progressive taxation. Regardless of what sanders may call himself he does not espouse any real socialism.

a reply to: neoholographic

For young people, socialism is now more popular than capitalism

This sentence alone illustrates that you have no idea what socialist policies look like. Stop using infrastructure then? No? Hmm...

[...]
Meanwhile, people my age — I’m 29 — are more in need of a robust leftist platform than ever. The post-Cold War capitalist order has failed us: Across Europe and the United States, millennials are worse off than their parents were and are too poor to start new families. In the United States, they are loaded with college debt (or far less likely to be employed without a college degree) and are engaged in precarious and non-unionized labor. Also the earth is melting.

There’s nothing inherently radical about youth. But our politics have been shaped by an era of financial crisis and government complicity. Especially since 2008, we have seen corporations take our families’ homes, exploit our medical debt and cost us our jobs. We have seen governments impose brutal austerity to please bankers. The capitalists didn’t do it by accident, they did it for profit, and they invested that profit in our political parties. For many of us, capitalism is something to fear, not celebrate, and our enemy is on Wall Street and in the City of London.

Why Are So Many Young Voters Falling for Old Socialists?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: neoholographic

For young people, socialism is now more popular than capitalism

This sentence alone illustrates that you have no idea what socialist policies look like. Stop using infrastructure then? No? Hmm...

[...]
Meanwhile, people my age — I’m 29 — are more in need of a robust leftist platform than ever. The post-Cold War capitalist order has failed us: Across Europe and the United States, millennials are worse off than their parents were and are too poor to start new families. In the United States, they are loaded with college debt (or far less likely to be employed without a college degree) and are engaged in precarious and non-unionized labor. Also the earth is melting.

There’s nothing inherently radical about youth. But our politics have been shaped by an era of financial crisis and government complicity. Especially since 2008, we have seen corporations take our families’ homes, exploit our medical debt and cost us our jobs. We have seen governments impose brutal austerity to please bankers. The capitalists didn’t do it by accident, they did it for profit, and they invested that profit in our political parties. For many of us, capitalism is something to fear, not celebrate, and our enemy is on Wall Street and in the City of London.

Why Are So Many Young Voters Falling for Old Socialists?

Infrastructure is a “socialist policy”? You hear something new everyday.

a reply to: neo96

Which is a GD lie.

So go right on pushing outright lies.

Wow, some amazing refutations there. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it any less true.

Let's look at some data, then.

For most U.S. workers, real wages have barely budged in decades

Labor's share of nonfarm business sector output, first quarter 1947 through third quarter 2016

Labor share, or wage share is defined as "total labor compensation or labor costs over nominal GDP or gross value added". In other words, pay (including all benefits) vs production of the economy. The above graph shows an undeniable downward trend.

United States Wages and Salaries Growth

This graph shows historical wage growth:
Stagnant at best, with volatile movements and a clear downward trend.

5 Year Wage Growth:
Wow, look at how that economy is working for everyone! Haven't even reached Obama levels yet!

And your points about Social Security and Medicare? Workers pay into just as much, with the vast majority not even seeing the benefits for decades. That money might as well not even exist for the average worker. Unemployment and workman's comp are negligible since the vast majority of workers will never claim either...

Your stats about corporate asset vs household assets is hilarious. Obviously, the vast majority of wealth for owners and shareholders of corporations is in household assets. What's your point? That there are more household assets than corporate? That doesn't mean anything... since:

Net worth is highly concentrated, with the richest 1 percent (as ranked by wealth) owning 39.6 percent of total household wealth in 2016 and the top 20 percent owning 89.9 percent

source: Has Middle Class Wealth Recovered? Edward N. Wolff November 29, 2017 data from Survey of Consumer Finances

90% of Household Assets are in the hands of the top 20%! But they are struggling to pay medicare/social security/other benefits? Yeah right. Excuse while I go barf.

It's amazing how many people will make excuses on behalf of their overlords. True slaves.

Marxist professors In the Universities have influenced many young people to believe that socialism is and can be a successful alternative to capitalism. Young Democratic Socialists of America have set up recruiting clubs in the Universities and they have a campaign to press for “College for all”.
www.campusreform.org...

a reply to: VoiceOfTheEmperor

Info is based on a well-researched book.
Please check the blog again, and look for

For more information on socialists and communists in the US Congress watch my acclaimed 90-minute documentary the Enemies Within, or read my book Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists And Progressives In The US Congress.

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Maybe even view the DVD, before you dismiss the information.