12,980 years ago when TSHTF Big time.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ignoring the detractors, getting to the point.

By which you mean: "Ignoring inconvenient provable facts".

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: 727Sky

More then likely it was a pole shift,why they find old civilizations thousands of feet under ground,or in oceans,supersonic winds,the worlds oceans walling up then exploding across the earth all in a few seconds,I think this time we will be struck by an asteroid as a precurser then comes the shift,cycle earth goes through,unfortunately we will see this in 5 years,this is the end,the elite have been using tax dollars since the late 50's to build them underground fortresses,all the while spinning story's about what NASA has found,I doubt we went anywhere near the moon,what or whom is ever on there is known and has been known,this is a sad reality

Well if that's true, I hope the asteroid hits right on top of their tunnel and they all die, while at least 40% of humans survive.

Actually we need them to survive....we will need to have tribunals and we will need working stock and there is nothing like the baby soft hands of the children of the elite to be doing the humpwork....there will be a lot to clean up and not enough JWs and LDSers to go around....lol.

Ya,we gonna find out who is who....when the time is right.

The DUMBS are simply dumb......they become Museums of natural human history....you are only "safe" between specific layers of the Onion....to deep and you are done like dinner.

We are ALWAYS struck with asteroids during this passage of this celestial body Wormwood,The Destroyer ,Nibiru, or whatever you wish to call it.Its a part of the Package.

I would estimate 4% not 40% in terms of raw survival numbers.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: one4all

Ignoring the detractors, getting to the point.

The mindset learned "Nature" by observing nature for millions of years. I also suspect they had help in their "Observations".

They learned the secrets of "Nature", and saw Nature could be used to create, or destroy. If they achieved space travel long ago, it would be based in "Nature", and natural materials. "Stone" space craft would not be out of the realm of possibilities, and one of the more logical building materials.

No way to confirm, but I suspect the planet that was destroyed residing in the Asteroid belt was not a natural occurrence but was done with natural materials (Celestial Chariot, the Perfected Space Craft). It may have been a act of war, or, maybe attempting to "Adjust" the planets alignment to the Sun (Adjust the Seasons). In any event, the adjustment was excessive to the point of destroying the planet (Tiamat).

Stone, Crystals, water flow, wind, were their building materials, and weapons.

There is only one detractor,and really we can see how pitifull the olde school disinformation tactics are today....times have changed....look around....its maybe not going to be such a good time to be a smart arse soon.

The core value defining marker of sentient life is the mechanical reproduction of Nature.....yes...EVERYTHING....has been a reproduction of natures methods and in most cases we have been taken down the path of most resistance or deadended…..truths have been hidden for Epochs,but once one learns what the creative template for all is ,well then its easy to see what has been done and to divine truths from what we have been taught are unworkable facts.

Math,Language,Music,Art….all have been bastardised.

Nature corrects imbalances....there is NO AMNESTY FROM NATURE....there are no NEGOTIATIONs with Nature.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ignoring the detractors, getting to the point.

By which you mean: "Ignoring inconvenient provable facts".

Hey Carpy...prove for a fact you are not a Bot.

a reply to: one4all

Can you prove that you are not posting from inside an asylum for the hopelessly deranged?

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ignoring the detractors, getting to the point.

By which you mean: "Ignoring inconvenient provable facts".

Hey Carpy...prove for a fact you are not a Bot.

How about you actually prove that you have a working model that supports your incredibly specific 3657 year cycles of ELE Cataclysms

Calling a personal/pet bedtime story meant to frighten children and uneducated based solely on how you feel about the subject and touting this marvel of a notion as if it's incontrovertible fact while refusing to support your "model" with... well, anything period while simultaneously insisting it is both error free as well an actual working model, says far more about the one pushing their story much much too hard.

Are you trying to convince is? Or your self?

Because for all of the ranting, raving and pushing to shove it down everyone's throats, you have not once demonstrated your model, the models efficacy, the data it's derived from, how.you reached that very specific number of years per cycle, what the actual geologic evidence there is etc... You get the idea.

You've got nothing.

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ignoring the detractors, getting to the point.

By which you mean: "Ignoring inconvenient provable facts".

Hey Carpy...prove for a fact you are not a Bot.

How about you actually prove that you have a working model that supports your incredibly specific 3657 year cycles of ELE Cataclysms

Calling a personal/pet bedtime story meant to frighten children and uneducated based solely on how you feel about the subject and touting this marvel of a notion as if it's incontrovertible fact while refusing to support your "model" with... well, anything period while simultaneously insisting it is both error free as well an actual working model, says far more about the one pushing their story much much too hard.

Are you trying to convince is? Or your self?

Because for all of the ranting, raving and pushing to shove it down everyone's throats, you have not once demonstrated your model, the models efficacy, the data it's derived from, how.you reached that very specific number of years per cycle, what the actual geologic evidence there is etc... You get the idea.

You've got nothing.

Not true Peter....my refusal to produce a working Model with supportive conclusive data...in no way diminishes the reality of the situation....it simply forces you to do the groundwork yourself which shuts you up and prevents you from being a hostile witness....when the true words come from your own mouth Peter you choke on lies.....you DONT WANT THERE TO BE A WORKING MODEL THAT IS REPEATABLE...nope....lol...look around you online Peter....since we first discussed this long ago MANY IMPACTFUL CONTRIBUTORS have produced online supportive evidences....lol...MANY....Peter....why don't you do exactly as I say...and build your own VGCDW Model...dis-prove it....lol...but truth is you CANNOT DISPROVE IT.....you are afraid to even build the basic Model.

Nothing has changed Peter...just like with any research...put in the sweat equity....you always look for the easy managerial way out.....lol..Lobsang...lol....nope...no path of least resistance and no ammunition for you pal....lol...put up or shut up already.....build a Model that debunks what I say or stop trolling me on ATS....nothing either one of us says has changed....I still present the truth and you still refuse to do the work to validate or debunk that truth....I simply refuse to give you the "driver seat" because you are the student Peter and I am the teacher and I WILL NOT LET YOU TURN THAT DYNAMIC....lol..so go get some Oreo Cookies and a bowl of Jello-Pudding and get to work or simply fade quietly into the night.

Actually...why do you come back Peter?....lol....you should just start your own thread debunking the VGCDW Model.Then I can visit you and help you along expeditiously.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: one4all

Can you prove that you are not posting from inside an asylum for the hopelessly deranged?

Can you prove we are all not already living in one?

a reply to: one4all

If you were to actually give any details at all about your alleged "Model" then we might be able to discuss it.

Unfortunately, you can't do that because you just come up with lame and pathetic excuses and ask us to produce your "Model" for you.

That is not how ATS works.

...my refusal to produce a working Model with supportive conclusive data...in no way diminishes the reality of the situation...

No. Your refusal to produce a working model just shows everyone that your claims are just nonsense and have zero credibility.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: one4all

If you were to actually give any details at all about your alleged "Model" then we might be able to discuss it.

Unfortunately, you can't do that because you just come up with lame and pathetic excuses and ask us to produce your "Model" for you.

That is not how ATS works.

...my refusal to produce a working Model with supportive conclusive data...in no way diminishes the reality of the situation...

No. Your refusal to produce a working model just shows everyone that your claims are just nonsense and have zero credibility.

No Carpy…..your refusal to build a working Model under my tutelage illuminates your trolling of the topic....lol....ATS is not your personal Universal Translator....lol....you have to put in some work...I understand you don't think so....but that's your prerogative...if you really believed your own devils Advocate stance....you wouldnt have ever come back to discuss this topic....but you did.....you are just accustomed to calling the shots...its really a bit much to be Frank.....you aren't learning anything the easy way with me Carpy...because your learning method is the most annoying there is....you play the Devils Advocate and want everyone to do all of your work for you.

a reply to: 727Sky

I am at working and totally geeking out. I LOVE this topic!!

I talk about this a lot online and with other members off of ATS. I also love Graham Hancock and have been reading his stuff for about 20 years. I don't always agree with what he says but man he makes some great points.

I will check this out once I am home and can geek out in full!

a reply to: one4all


I see. In that case I have developed a Model for a working and provable FTL drive. But I am not going to give you any details. Oh no, I'm not giving it to you on a silver platter - you have to put your own work in - lol! - do your own research - and you must build your own model and debunk mine - lol!

Build your own model that debunks mine - lol! Truth is you cannot disprove it - lol!

That's you, that is.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: one4all

If you were to actually give any details at all about your alleged "Model" then we might be able to discuss it.

Unfortunately, you can't do that because you just come up with lame and pathetic excuses and ask us to produce your "Model" for you.

That is not how ATS works.

...my refusal to produce a working Model with supportive conclusive data...in no way diminishes the reality of the situation...

No. Your refusal to produce a working model just shows everyone that your claims are just nonsense and have zero credibility.

No Carpy…..your refusal to build a working Model under my tutelage illuminates your trolling of the topic....lol....ATS is not your personal Universal Translator....lol....you have to put in some work...I understand you don't think so....but that's your prerogative...if you really believed your own devils Advocate stance....you wouldnt have ever come back to discuss this topic....but you did.....you are just accustomed to calling the shots...its really a bit much to be Frank.....you aren't learning anything the easy way with me Carpy...because your learning method is the most annoying there is....you play the Devils Advocate and want everyone to do all of your work for you.

Do you not understand that when you are making fantastical claims, the onus is on you to provide the evidence? Without evidence it is simply another crackpot theory, albeit an interesting one.

I wonder if this is a fragment of whatever planet formed the asteroid belt?

a reply to: Flavian

Do you not understand that when you are making fantastical claims, the onus is on you to provide the evidence?

Obviously, not!

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: one4all

Can you prove that you are not posting from inside an asylum for the hopelessly deranged?

A better one
Prove Subduction to be based in observation and fact.........

originally posted by: toysforadults
I wonder if this is a fragment of whatever planet formed the asteroid belt?

The last "Flood" was caused artificially.
I suspect the event caused by the breakup of "Tiamat" (the water planet) showered earth with debris for some time afterwards, at least 70,000,000 years ago.

Our Oceans are only 70 million years old, give or take. I suspect much of Tiamats water hit earth, along with planet debris, rocks, mud etc (meteor on steroids). And, was the cause of the extinction event. Many of the Dinosaur bone beds have been found as though they were gathered up by a flood and mixed in were different species. Floods don't care about family lines...

Earth may have gone through this debris field many cycles to account for some layers of accreditation. Today, the remnants of this are referenced as meteor showers, the remaining, dust.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Not that it is likely to convince you, but here you go:

Livescience: What is a subduction Zone

I would say that the Pacific Ring of Fire is pretty factual and well observed, no?

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: one4all

A better one
Prove Subduction to be based in observation and fact.........

Just out of morbid curiosity, any reason why I should? If you think it is wrong, it's pretty much up to you to show why it might be wrong. The ball is in your court, not mine.

Extraordinary claims and all that.

Oh, I get it. Expanding Earth theory?