This May Be One Of The Greatest, Little Known Conspiracies in History!

I love advanced Sacred Geometry like drawing a skull, it is fascinating:-

Phi symbolism is often deliberately used in buildings

originally posted by: Astronomer62
a reply to: CanadianMason
Although suspect, a wiki answer could be right:-
masonic.wikidot.com...

Obviously cross keys are used by the Vatican, but it would be odd for this symbolism to be in Bath UK:-
en.wikipedia.org...
But you could say that the Vatican is a deliberate "Keyhole!"

a reply to: CanadianMason
Sorry Canadian i am stacking stuff up for you, after you come back from holiday, obviously not being a "Secret Master" of Scottish Rite 4th degree mason or a Royal Arch Freemason you wouldn't have known that they do use a "single key" in symbolism, link to Royal Arch and Scottish Rite below:- www.sacred-texts.com...
www.bradford.ac.uk...

An interesting link is below regarding Freemasons involved in the The Federation of Canada, something to research when you have have had your vacation!
ottawarewind.com...

I thought i would go back to the topic of the Golden Boy who needed repair, and was taken off the dome of the Manitoba Legislative Building on 9th February 2002, the Queen dedicated the replaced statue on 8th October 2002, please scroll down to page 5:-
www.gov.mb.ca...
Ancient Greek day marker to 9th February 2002 in Winnipeg, is sunset on the 8th February 2002, when Sirius was rising at location, This obviously can not be the work of architect Frank Worthington Simon, so was the decision of someone in government to align to Sirius, graph below:-


Queen Elizabeth 2nd rededicated the statue when it was replaced on 8th October 2002, midnight day marker was used when Alnilam was rising, graph below, how many times does this statue need to be marked by Egyptian stars?

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: Astronomer62

Golden Boy/Eternal Youth and Manitoba Legislative Building

You wrote,

Please don't say Freemasons were not involved in symbolism, and the fact to hit on days within each and every month, that can align to Sirius or Alnilam are under twice in 30 days...so odds of being by chance are not good!

I can't take a solid position on the matter unless I am shown hard evidence that Freemasons were involved. You made the claim; therefore, the onus is on you to prove it. I don't have to show you that Freemasons were not involved. I'm not convinced that they were. Were some involved in picking the final design? Yes but, as I have pointed out, it is proclaimed that they did not interfere with the artist's work. That, to me, means that they did not have a hand in it. Is this true? I don't know. Are you trying to connect Freemasons to every instance where things align to Sirius and Alnilam? I'm sorry if I'm giving you a headache but, what would it mean to you if there was incontrovertible proof of a connection there? What conclusion would you then draw about Freemasons? That's what I want to know.

Hi Canadianmason
The statue of Eternal Youth can have many meanings including Regeneration:-
chnm.gmu.edu...
Golden Boy meaning can be attached to Puer aeternus:-
en.wikipedia.org...
www.collinsdictionary.com...
Obviously the repair alignments to Golden Boy in 2002 has nothing to do with Frank Worthington Simon, so there are other secret societies doing this as this statue has been aligned to Sirius and Alnilam 3 times in its history, therefor beyond the realms of chance!

Hi CanadianMason,
Politics and alignments of Sirius and Alnilam seem joined and fairly modern, as in 1964 with the debate in parliament regarding choosing a National Flag, the date is 15 December 1964, as shown below, the plot thickens:-
www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca...
Midnight day marker was chosen while Alnilam was culminating, graph below:-

Link below regarding the Great Seal of Ontario, dated from 1st January 1870 from Ottawa, midnight day marker chosen with Sirius Culminating, i will get to the Great Seal of America later!

en.wikipedia.org...

Graph below:-

a reply to: Astronomer62

Hello, my friend! I hope all is well with you.

To pick up where we left off, please accept my apology if I 'misquoted' you. I did not intend to. I misunderstood which building you were refering to, i.e., either the Manitoba Legislature or the House of the Temple. I see now that you referred to the latter and not to the former.

a reply to: Astronomer62

Just wondering, Astro, if you have ever researched how the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite (AASR) is structured as a worldwide Masonic fraternity? I hear a lot of talk by non-Masons who put unwarranted emphasis on the House of the Temple in Washington, D.C., Albert Pike, 'Mother Council of the World' and Supreme Council, 33 degree. I wonder if you know that the AASR in the U.S. is divided into two autonomous jurisdictions each with its own Supreme Council? As far as I know, only the U.S. has two jurisdictions and two Supreme Councils while every other country in the world where the AASR exists has only one jurisdiction governed each by their own Supreme Council. Each country's Supreme Council is sovereign unto itself with no international Governing Body to 'rule' over it. The AASR in Washington, D.C. with its headquarters being the House of the Temple situated there is in the U.S. Southern Jurisdiction. Its Supreme Council there is recognized by every other Supreme Council around the world but, only as an equal among many and not, as many have misunderstood, as their 'Mother', i.e., 'Mother Council of the World'. The AASR predates the U.S. having its origins in Scotland way back in the fog of antiquity. I know the U.S. Northern Masonic Jurisdiction has had many bones to pick with its counterpart to the South over many issues over many years and, it most certainly would never look to the House of the Temple as being its headquarters or 'Mother' in any world, that's for sure!

All of this is to say, the House of the Temple in Washington, D.C. isn't as important as you might think, although the connection there that you make with the stars in question really does entertain me.

The House of the Temple and the Manitoba Legislative building might have some similarities, such as sporting Sphinxes, as you mention but, I think this has more to do with the type of architectural design of that era than anything else: Neoclassicism, I think.

Admittedly, the connections you make between them and the stars in question are, to say the least, anomalous.

originally posted by: Astronomer62
I love advanced Sacred Geometry like drawing a skull, it is fascinating:-

Very cool.

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Phi symbolism is often deliberately used in buildings

I had to look up what the 'Hoagland Bara Model' is. It didn't surprise me to discover that it's a model developed by Richard Hoagland and Mike Bara, two people who have some pretty wild ideas, not just in my opinion but, in others' opinions, too, such as, for example, this guy:



He has a blog and his handle is 'expat'.

I'd like you to read a post of his, namely, this one:

Another Problem for the 'Ritual Alignment Model' AKA, the 'Hoagland Bara Model.

'expat' claims to have some expertise in spaceflight and points to flaws in the 'Ritual Alignment Model' in Hoagland and Bara's NASA space launches context, such as lauch delays. He writes, "None of these delays could conceivably have been pre-planned by people with astrology in mind...In all, only 55, or 41%, got off on time. What a nightmare for the evil NASA conspirators, desperately checking their ephemerides and star charts, hoping to make it before the next magical Egyptian astrological conjunction was all over."

I can understand why he feels that way about the model as applied in the field of spaceflight; delays are inevitable and tend to # up ritual. I get it, lol. In your context, however, in the timing of significant events with the rising or setting of certain stars, it would seem a bit more difficult to me to mess things up...unless..... I wonder if, let's say, a pre-planned 'ritual' event (opening ceremony, etc) timed to occur with an astrological happening ever got delayed or messed up because of, say, a snow or thunder and lightning storm, a hurricane, a tornado, an illness, etc.? Could you imagine the frustration for the astologer involved in planning these things?

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: Astronomer62
a reply to: CanadianMason
Although suspect, a wiki answer could be right:-
masonic.wikidot.com...

Obviously cross keys are used by the Vatican, but it would be odd for this symbolism to be in Bath UK:-
en.wikipedia.org...
But you could say that the Vatican is a deliberate "Keyhole!"

I'm not sure why it would be odd if the 'crossed keys' symbol were to be found in Bath but, nevertheless, I want to ask you if you see any similar connection between Freemasonry and the Vatican because of their shared key symbolism like you do between Freemasonry and Bath?

a reply to: Astronomer62

I did not know about the use of the single key symbol by Masons in the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite or the Royal Arch, as I have not applied for membership to any Masonic appendant body, yet. I don't know if it is still in use or even significant to Masons nowadays. From what I was told by senior Brethren, the interpretation(s) of our storehouse of symbology is left open to our own personal discretion. The single key could mean something very different to Mason X than to Mason Y. While you did link to Duncan's Ritual as one of your sources for your claim, it is impossible to verify Duncan's accuracy or relevance to Masons alive today. I wouldn't be surprised if Duncan's is not (or ever was) universally accepted as an authority.

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Phi symbolism is often deliberately used in buildings

Hi Astro!

You claim that "Phi symbolism is often deliberately used in buildings", then you show a picture of the Pentagon. I will conclude that, therefore, you believe Phi was deliberately added into the design of the Pentagon.

Did you know that the original location for the construction of the Pentagon was "...a five-sided parcel of land that had been hastily purchased..."?[1] A fortified headquarters for the Department of Defense was urgently need due to Hitler's rising power. The architects and designers had to make do with what they had on hand, so they came up with "...a unique pentagonal plan for the building that would maximize the site’s odd dimensions."[2]

The site was abandoned in favour of its current one because of pressure by conservationists concerned with preserving the view of the Potomac. The original five-sided parcel of land was abandoned but the design was preserved and worked with rather than going back to the drawing board to start all over again.[3][4]

Furthermore,

But the five-sided plan still had its detractors, especially from members of the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts, a quasi-governmental body that weighed in on design throughout the capital city. A member of the Commission argued to Roosevelt that not only was the building ugly, but that it would make a huge bombing target. In the end, the President said he preferred the shape for its uniqueness, and gave it the go-ahead.

It would appear that a Mason did have the final word on approving the original design - President Roosevelt![5]

If somebody had pre-planned working Phi into the design of the Pentagon, it looks to me like there were a few natural and socio-political forces working against that plan.

Nonetheless, these obstacles were overcome and the Pentagon was constructed with Phi built into it - all so that it could have some precise alignment with the stars in the Belt of Orion or something?

While construction began on Sept 11, 1941, its dedication was on Jan 15, 1943. What do you find there in so far as star alignment?

originally posted by: Astronomer62
An interesting link is below regarding Freemasons involved in the The Federation of Canada, something to research when you have have had your vacation!
ottawarewind.com...

Fascinating, indeed!

What do you make of it?

a reply to: Astronomer62

Re-dedication by QEII of the Golden Boy in Winnipeg was one of many ceremonial stops of hers around Canada in 2002 to celebrate her Golden Jubilee. That one for Canadians would pale in symbolic significance compared to her stop in Vancouver of that same year:

In Vancouver, on 6 October, the Queen, accompanied by Wayne Gretzky, and in front of a crowd of 18,000 at General Motors Place, dropped the ceremonial first puck for the National Hockey League exhibition game between the Vancouver Canucks and San Jose Sharks; this was the first time any reigning monarch, Canadian or otherwise, had performed the task.

[1]

Surely, October 6, 2002 must have been pre-planned to align with the star(s) in question!

a reply to: CanadianMason
Hi CanadianMason,
It is great to have you back, obviously we debate strongly and rightly so, for others to view who feel they cant add to debate. My evidence with symbols in Bath and Manitoba needed strong debate, but even if the buildings do have symbols, they are great buildings, so i'm not knocking anyone.
With these two, and especially Manitoba building, i think we agree that deliberate star alignments have taken place that could be masonic, political or architect inspired or a mixture of all three, these conclusions have to be made after all topics, although i'm not finished yet. In general i feel that the Supreme Council, Scottish Rite, Northern Jurisdiction, USA seem very quiet, they don't seem interested in star alignments as far as i can tell, and are far less showy than Southern Jurisdiction. To be honest i have always been surprised for i feel they were on opposite sides during the American Civil War, yet Southern Jurisdiction seem more wealthy regarding their building in Washington DC, not far from the White House that is aligned to Sirius, within the alleged Pentagram in the street plan!
en.wikipedia.org...

Up to the beginning of 20th Century most successful architects were interested in Neoclassical Architecture:-
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Astronomer62

...there are other secret societies doing this as this statue has been aligned to Sirius and Alnilam 3 times in its history, therefor beyond the realms of chance!

"...secret societies...." You mean a number of competing factions of Hermetic Astrologers or something who work behind the scenes to influence political, social and cultural evolution? They would have to be deeply embedded in positions where they could gain the ears of people in power - something like how the Jesuits as confessors could influence the decision-making of monarchs in the past....?