This May Be One Of The Greatest, Little Known Conspiracies in History!

a reply to: Astronomer62

I am looking to correlate the currently evolving date 2021 with any patterning of any type in any ancient or current writings....I am looking for calender changes....I am working with a assumption the calenders have been changed intentionally to not jive with ancient dating methods...so that if a warning were given several thousand years ago the calenders and timelines could have easily been changed to take that warning out of play.....I know that Secret Societies follow their own historic timelines...and those are what I am interested in learning about....to compare them all for myself because I believe even these Secret Societies are full of mostly normal idiots..few abnormal savants.....so most of them have likely been also bastardised over time...I do however believe that the ONE TRUE ACCURATE TIMELINE is out there waiting to be defined.I need to pin our current 2021 onto this one true timeline to see where we really are.

a reply to: one4all

the ONE TRUE ACCURATE TIMELINE is out there waiting to be defined

There are infinite lines of time. None are true or accurate.

a reply to: one4all
Hi one4all,
I do study Calendars, i am very interested in the Mayan Calendar, i do wonder if ancient Egyptians and Mayans traded across the Pacific Ocean, please watch link below, anyhow they both have Pyramids:-
www.youtube.com...
To study the Mayan Calendar, i need a location to see star alignments on the Winter Solstice 21st December 2012, when the Long Count ended to start again, obviously some debated that this would mean World End.
en.wikipedia.org...
Some think the Mayan Calendar was started in Izapa, Mexico.
www.izapacalendar.com...
I'll be back.

a reply to: one4all
Some think the Mayan Calendar is aligned to the Galactic Center, however on the Winter Solstice 21st December 2012, i have found the Calendar aligned to Egyptian Stars being Isis/Sirius and Alnilam/Osiris at the Location of Izapa, Mexico, i hope this may help in your studies one4all.
Ancient Greek day marker is sunset , but as the Sun set at location, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was rising:-

a reply to: one4all
What is interesting is the Calendar was aligned twice for at sunrise at location, Sirius/Isis star was setting, i wonder about the connection to Egypt, graph below, i must get back to the North East coast of America.

a reply to: CanadianMason
I remember how interested you were regarding Manitoba building. The figure,Mercury/Hermes on the dome was the most important with star alignments at location. The District of Columbia or DC for short is named after a goddess which was raised above the dome on the Capitol Building in Washington on 2nd December 1863, i will show graph for this at bottom of thread section.
Please scroll down link to "Execution" to find the date.
en.wikipedia.org...
Under the dome is a painting of George Washington taking his place among the gods of Rome and Greece!
en.wikipedia.org...
On 2nd December1863 as the Sun and Mercury/Hermes rose they were conjunct, while Sirius/Isis set in the West.
The Capitol Building's influence around the world is immense as it holds the Senate,....any comments Canadian Mason?

Page below where we debated the Manitoba Legislative Building:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I thought link below would help in Washington Painting analysis regarding Roman and Greek Gods
en.wikipedia.org...

Does any one think there is a Pentagram in the streets of Washington DC outside the White House?
I would like to hear your comments.
io9.gizmodo.com...

originally posted by: Astronomer62
a reply to: CanadianMason
I remember how interested you were regarding Manitoba building. The figure,Mercury/Hermes on the dome was the most important with star alignments at location. The District of Columbia or DC for short is named after a goddess which was raised above the dome on the Capitol Building in Washington on 2nd December 1863, i will show graph for this at bottom of thread section.
Please scroll down link to "Execution" to find the date.
en.wikipedia.org...
Under the dome is a painting of George Washington taking his place among the gods of Rome and Greece!
en.wikipedia.org...
On 2nd December1863 as the Sun and Mercury/Hermes rose they were conjunct, while Sirius/Isis set in the West.
The Capitol Building's influence around the world is immense as it holds the Senate,....any comments Canadian Mason?

I am certain that "Freemasonry is a beautiful system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols." It would appear that the architect of the Manitoba Legislative building, Frank Worthington Simon, may have had something similar in mind when designing it. I have yet to be convinced that he was a Mason or that Masons were involved in its design and contruction somehow. I do find it to be a noteworthy coincidence, however, that Alnilam and Sirius rose with the sun on July 15, 1920, when its opening ceremony occured. It was found that the architect, F. W. Simon, had admitted to finding the inspiration for his building design from his knowledge and interest in "...ancient Greek sacred symbols...." ~ [1]

a reply to: Astronomer62

The figure,Mercury/Hermes on the dome...

...of the Manitoba Legislative building is officially called the 'Eternal Youth'. It is also called ('unofficially') the 'Golden Boy'. My research has led me to a roadblock as to what the artist, Georges Gardet, had in mind when he sculpted it. Why do you call the statue "Mercury/Hermes"?

Does 'Eternal Youth'/'Golden Boy' remind you of 'Mercury/Hermes'?

Here is 'Eternal Youth'/'Golden Boy':



Here is 'Mercury/Hermes':



They are similar in pose and almost the same in colour; however, the symbols are dissimilar, thus not exactly the same in meaning. They are look-alikes in some ways; yet, they are not alike. One is not the other; they are not tautological in substance.

Might that create a problem for your theory that Hermetic Astrology/Astrologers were behind the design of the building and its opening being aligned to Sirius/Alnilam - Isis/Osirus?

Any comments?

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Does any one think there is a Pentagram in the streets of Washington DC outside the White House?
I would like to hear your comments.
io9.gizmodo.com...

My brain automatically fills in the missing line there. I wonder if it would do that if it had no idea of what a pentagram looked like?

In other words, no. I really don't think the streets of Washington, D.C. were intentionally designed to form a pentagram. If they were, then why is it incomplete?

a reply to: Astronomer62

The District of Columbia or DC for short is named after a goddess....

Astro, I am concerned. The first four hits on Google, pg. 1 search results, for my query, "Is Washington, D.C. named after a goddess?", yielded the following worrisome results:

District of The Goddess Columbia - The Goddess and Washington DC ...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Feb 19, 2007 - Washington's original plan for D.C. was a large square with the ... Besides these names, the same aspects of any Goddess can be found in:.

Columbia: Goddess of America | Marmalade - Benjamin David Steele
benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com...
Feb 1, 2011 - This personification was sometimes called “Lady Columbia” or “Miss .... Capitol in Washington, D.C., showing two early symbols of America: ...

Columbia (name) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org...(name)
In 1786, South Carolina gave the name Columbia to its new capital city. ... In 1791, three commissioners appointed by President George Washington named the area destined for the seat of the United States government the Territory of Columbia. It was subsequently (1801) organized as the District of Columbia.

Columbia: The Goddess of the United States | The Pagan Grove
pagangrove.wordpress.com...
Jul 5, 2016 - Columbia: The Goddess of the United States. Whether you think of her as an archetype, a land spirit, or an old goddess with a new name, Columbia is the name that some Pagans are starting to reclaim as the personified ideals of America.

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Are those sources academic? Would they pass the peer review process? Are they scholarly or reliable?

I think you know the answer to those questions.

NO!

Can you point me to academic sources please?

a reply to: CanadianMason
Hi CanadianMason,
I thought i would give you some scholarly interpretation of Columbia, the female goddess that was changed as the centuries developed, a bit like the Golden Boy that was aligned to both Sirius and Alnilam on date, but please don't forget that the opening of the Manitoba building was also aligned to the date that Manitoba joined the confederation 50 years before.
I think the New York Historical Society should be ok for your exacting expectations:-
womenatthecenter.nyhistory.org...
www.nyhistory.org...
americanhistory.si.edu...
www.aoc.gov...

originally posted by: CanadianMason

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Does any one think there is a Pentagram in the streets of Washington DC outside the White House?
I would like to hear your comments.
io9.gizmodo.com...

My brain automatically fills in the missing line there. I wonder if it would do that if it had no idea of what a pentagram looked like?

In other words, no. I really don't think the streets of Washington, D.C. were intentionally designed to form a pentagram. If they were, then why is it incomplete?

To say the Pentagram isn't in the streets of Washington DC representing PHI because it isn't complete isn't a reasonable answer, sometimes it is like joining up the dots like Sandusky having the Square and compass in the street plan, but we wouldn't know it unless freemasons hadn't admitted to this, it is very obscure:-
freemasonry.bcy.ca...

Hi Canadian Mason,
Can you pretty please, get an overhead Google Earth photo of the Circus leading down to Gay Street in Bath, UK.
I need a picture posted, hopefully you will see a key!
In Washington DC, there are other buildings that signify Phi, like The Pentagon, ground breaking on 11th September 1941 and aligned to Alnilam, there are other Phi connections to the Washington Monument with is also aligned to Alnilam, so the street plan pentagram isn't unique in Washington DC or controversial, so what about some Freemasons following Phi, i do myself?
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Astronomer62

I thought i would give you some scholarly interpretation of Columbia, the female goddess that was changed as the centuries developed....

I think the New York Historical Society should be ok....

Yes, thank you, Astro. That's acceptable for the purpose.

Construction Superintendent Captain Montgomery Meigs, who was overseeing the artistic decoration of the Capitol extensions, had already engaged American sculptor Thomas Crawford....

[1]

This 'overseer' appears to have been concerned about 'too much' paganism in the design:

...Meigs wrote to the artist...,

"We have too many Washingtons, we have America in the pediment. Victories and Liberties are rather pagan emblems, but a Liberty I fear is the best we can get."

[2]

It would seem that the project's overseer and construction superintendant had some reservations about the statue being 'too pagan'. Paganism is an umbrella term for many variations of the 'Old Religion'. Would you agree that Hermeticism and Astrology are, both in their own 'occultic' ways, each aspects of pagan variations?

The artist/sculptor, Thomas Crawford, on the other hand, didn't seem to have such reservations.

Never trust an artist! LOL!

My point being that, the final section of the statue of Columbia (her head and shoulders) being raised on December 2, 1863 in conjunction with the rising of the Sun and Mercury/setting of Sirius on the same day may not have been intentional or Hermetically influenced - unless, of course, we can a) discover who planned the date for the ceremony and b) find out if this person was a member of some Hermetic Astrological Secret Society. Now THAT would be telling!

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Back to 'Golden Boy'.

...changed as the centuries developed, a bit like the Golden Boy that was aligned to both Sirius and Alnilam on date, but please don't forget that the opening of the Manitoba building was also aligned to the date that Manitoba joined the confederation 50 years before.

The development of Columbia over time can be traced.

The 'Eternal Youth'/'Golden Boy' statue atop the Manitoba Legislative building has no obvious connection to the god, 'Mercury'/'Hermes', except for pose and colour. Perhaps the artist did draw inspiration for his sculpture from it but, I can't find an explicit reference.

'Eternal Youth'/'Golden Boy' was placed facing North. That makes sense since Canada is situated there. He carries a flaming torch in his raised right hand. Perhaps it represents a beacon of 'eternal light'? He also carries a sheaf of wheat under his right armpit. Have you seen the wheat fields in Manitoba? They are magnificent; thus, an appropriate symbol for the Province.

The immediate above is my interpretation. My point is that I don't see an Hermetic Astrological connection there.

I am still intrigued, however, that the building's opening ceremony date, July 15, 1920 (50 years after joining the Canadian Confederacy, as you pointed out), aligns with the stars we are interested in here. That does stump me.

a reply to: Astronomer62



That's all I could find.

I do see a 'key'.

So lets take another look at Frank Worthington Simon, it is highly probable he wasn't a freemason, he won a competition to be the architect for the Manitoba Building, but i would say a great deal of the symbolism was added, this building cost so much i feel others, being Freemasons and/or Politicians creating symbolism.
Quote in your link under "Freemasons" if you scroll down link.
"The committee that accepted Frank Worthington Simon as the architect included masons who were politicians, including the Premier Rodmond Roblin, the Minister of Public Works Colin Campbell, Deputy Minister Charles Dancer and Provincial Architect Victor Horwood, all of which were freemasons" which we are told didn't interfere with the plans of a hugely expensive project....i see pigs flying!
freemasonry.bcy.ca...
Link to Frank Worthington Simon below:-
en.wikipedia.org...

Further to this the Lieutenant Governor of Manitoba joins the most Venerable Order of Saint John when accepting the office, not exactly Knight Templar but pretty close!!!!
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
I'll be back!

a reply to: Astronomer62

As far as I have been able to check in the past several years, Sandusky is the only city in the world originally laid out on Masonic symbols.

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a reply to: Astronomer62

...what about some Freemasons following Phi....

Yes, absolutely! We do consider Phi (as well as the Golden Ratio, the Fibonacci Sequence, any geometrical proportion) as an indication of Divinity.

"...[T]ere is an order in the universe which surpasses man's ability to quantify, and [...] this order is the source of beauty." [1]