British girl wants to come home

a reply to: UKTruth

I should have clarified , his judgement of him as a bad person was after the fact of his death.

when he had heard all of the stories about the man and his life , from other prisoners, his solicitor and the news media

originally posted by: Lysergic
Execution would benefit society more.

I have always found it to be explainable how some would rather lock up forever or kill a woman that to let a man have a sex slave.

If your gonna throw em away anyhow why not let some perv have his way?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: generik

My mate stabbed an off duty policeman when he was 15 , the off duty policeman assaulted him outside a pub on his way home from football
the man was shouting abuse at them, being 15 ye dont take cheek off anyone and so decided to talk back , they settled their differences shook hands turned to walk away and my mate got a pint tumbler smashed over his head by a 46 year old man.
My mate then not thinking clearly as a reaction stabbed him in the side dropped the knife and ran in panic.
Bearing in mind that this was 1992 and in Glasgow at his age , you were the odd one out if you didnt carry a knife!

Anyway , biggest mistake of his life, he has never been able to forget it as the establishment remind him every chance they get that he killed one of their own! He is on a life license

Apparently the guy was a bastard ! beat his wife etc and beat up inmates etc.
He had it coming apparently - karma maybe, it works in mysterious ways.


My mate is a stand up guy and he heavily regrets what he did , and wishes he could take it back , but he doesnt wish the guy didnt die because he was a bastard !

I dunno , some people can make pretty bad mistakes and regret them for life

As for those two who brutally murdered james bulger, well they are out on the streets again

Despite THERE lack of repentance and the fact that at least one of the two has been caught with sadistic porn and child abuse imagery, one of the first young policemen on the scene of little James murder was so traumatized it caused him severe shock, they had poked the child's eye's out with stick's while he was alive and done other thing's to him that are to say the least horrific.

There are GOOD and BAD police just a fact of life but if what you say about this officer is true then he should have never been in the force to start with, police can though remember suffer PTSD just like soldiers especially when there job has led them to having police, arrest and treat there own former friend's and family as criminal's which was often the case.
Many soldiers, good men, leave there home and family feeling as if they are a danger to those they love and it causes marriages to break up.
This police officer - woman beating scum bag was not a decent man therefore as time and social moral's of that time aside he should have left his wife to keep her safe and not subjected his own kid's to a man beating up there mom or her to his brutality - I obviously hate men like that.

We had an evil police man called Nigel Lord down here in West Lancashire, beating a woman's husband up because he was having an affair with there neighbor at the time and there was a property boundary dispute, helping scumbag's and drinking in a house full of backward people (Whom would go out robbing milk from people's doorstep's every morning at 4:30 AM - they claimed to be Gypsy's but one of them was lobotomized for strangling a kid when he was a teen and never left his room) because he was screwing there daughter (she was pretty but did not look right if you know what I mean - bit of a town bicycle as well) whom was also not the full schilling, she died some time later of HIV related illness, Lord was a police sergeant and a police heavy based in the town of Skelmersdale back in the 1980's known for beating people up and was later jumped by a gang of angry prisoners - another that beat up people in the cell's but they got him back and he all six foot six of him up in a wheel chair after that, he had also bullied some police recruits on more than one occasion.

The guy was nothing but a thug whom should have been behind bars himself and at that time so were half his colleagues.

So you have my shared opinion were bent corrupt coppers are concerned but really your friend should NEVER have drawn that knife, it showed that he was too weak minded to control his anger and he made an irrational adrenaline fueled decision one which cost a man his life no matter how obviously evil and scummy that man was.

So your friend was right to be punished and for the safety of others it was right to keep an eye on him but his action is a little bit understandable if still unreasonable.
Still that bent copper does indeed sound like he deserved it rough justice though it may have been, IF what you say about him is true but that does not mitigate your friend's action's.

She made her choices now she can live with the consequences, I have no sympathy for her at all.

originally posted by: Qboneq
Every single human being has done some “mistake” at some point in their life and “everyone” deserves a “second chance”.


Judge no one when you personally aware of your “own hidden and secret past”.

Thats a pathetic argument for her defense. She knew what she was doing. She has to live with her actions. More then likely she has to die with them.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UKTruth

he was a 15 year old who reacted to assault bya 46 year old off duty policman using violence in a culture of violence
his initial charge was manslaughter but because he was a policeman the state decided to call for murder
I have no problems with being friends with him , he respects me and treats me with kindness as he does the rest of our neighbours
I'm not advocating violence or murder or anything like that , and he does regret that mistake heavily .
as it cost him his freedom from 15 until he was 34
and he is still on a life license so has to report to his parole officer even if he speaks to the police for having a tail light out.

He defended himself from an attack from behind after being smashed over the head with a glass , he could have easily been killed himself !
there is a saying in glasgow, "turn the other cheek and it will get slashed as well "
as in if you walk away you will still likely get a doing , and in this case its exactly what happened

I disagree with you , people can make irrational mistakes like that , just the same as if you were to get into a fight and punch someone they hit their head of the curb and die , its manslaughter , but you meant to punch them so its murder !

are you saying that people who make these kinds of mistakes cant be rehabilitated or even find redemption for their previous acts of violence . You dont believe in forgiveness ?

The problem with forgiveness of murder is that the dead guy doesn't get the chance to offer it. It's easy for people who were not murdered to forgive.
You've told me he killed another human being and got 19 years and is now out a free man and a young man with his life ahead of him. Meanwhile the person he murdered is decomposing in the ground with no voice at all and no life at all.

So next time you're having a beer with him and he's having a dandy time, have a thought about the rotting corpse he left behind.

That said, I will concede that the circumstances of the murder do matter. If it was self defence or protection of property, then fine... but I wouldn;t call that murder.

The sad reality is she will be allowed to return. Because of the huge uproar this story has caused she will be flown in a private jet into a military airfield where the public cannot gain access, can you imagine the hates mobs if she landed at Heathrow on a commercial flight. She will then be 'arrested and questioned' which will end up her getting a new identity because of her safety. Once she has a baby she can then say she can't be sent back to Syria because she now has a child here in the UK. Then she will claim housing and child benefits. In the same time she will be laughing her head off. Oh and all of the above will be at a tax papers cost

Personally ... she can do one

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Rather misleading headline; she doesnt look very "British" to me.

a reply to: ThePeaceMaker

Sadly you are probably correct.
This country is run by utter, er , idiots.
Let one of the handwringers take "it" in to their home. Unlikely.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Does she not quantify as a prisoner of war?

Not sure what they do in the UK but we take care of them and return 'm after the war.

Peace

a reply to: sapien82

Can you change the subject line as well.
Citizenship should have been revoked when it stepped on the plane out.
British? Don't make me laugh.

originally posted by: Cymru
a reply to: ThePeaceMaker

Sadly you are probably correct.
This country is run by utter, er , idiots.
Let one of the handwringers take "it" in to their home. Unlikely.

Sadiq Khan will do all in his power to give her a good life back in the UK

Has anyone considered the unborn child? How did the other two die? What would be the chances that she need UK medical assistance to bear the child, in order for her to continue to support whatever regime she went out for?

a reply to: Qboneq

what do you mean by no user manual, you know there is one right? the old one

a reply to: sapien82

Oh snap. See what had happened was, 1. I was on the phone, 2. without my glasses, and 3.in the Pub typing quickly while the Mrs. was in the toilet. (She gets fussy about phone usage in public)

It was the holy trifecta of irresponsible ATS posting. That is to say, I replied to the wrong person.

Please accept this delicious Elvis Juice lager as a peace offering.

a reply to: ThePeaceMaker

Therein lies the problem.

a reply to: Cymru

Citizenship should have been revoked when it stepped on the plane out

I agree but if she doesn't have another nationality we can't remove her British nationality , no person can be made stateless under international law.

It sucks but she probably will come back.

a reply to: gortex

Idiocracy governs the UK.
Sad to say but we're doomed.

a reply to: TonyS

By that do you mean pasty white with bad teeth and cankles? It aint like that anymore. Well, except the Fens, and Norfolk.

a reply to: gortex

I heard she has a Syrian passport....not 100% sure of that.

Also, if she never picked up a weapon, is she still considered a combatant under the Geneva convention? Dunno, but there is precedence for bringing these scumbags back.