What preparations are being made for a no-deal Brexit ?

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Yeah right, because before 1993 there was no Euro..
Britain haven't even adopted the 'Euro' currency.

You're right, that's right, because Britain had a special place in the EU as a leader and rule maker.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Britain is seen as one of the most important nations on earth and has been for quite some time.

It was but hasn't been for quite some time.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Britain speaks English and is land locked by water

nah, really? Not sure what your point is with this one.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Britain doesn't need Europe

In your opinion. The fact that the best deal is one we're about to give up suggests otherwise.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Sure, the TV will go ballsout crazy about how Brexit will end life in our universe... and the stock markets will react, strangely... but - after a short period it will normalize and then start improving, surpassing the Euro Status

I wish I shared your optimism (and I am very much an optimist) but the customs issue alone will take months to sort out and I don't mean the arrangement, I mean the increase in customs checks. Everything will slow down significantly, especially if coming from Europe, it's amazing the amount of produce we rely on Europe for...

originally posted by: SprocketUK
As for food shortages here, for that to happen, we need to massively slow down the entry of trucks and ships carrying it and for prices to rise, we need that plus tariffs.
Those two things are all down to our government, no one in the world can make us slap tariffs on goods once we are out of the EU and similarly, no one can make is delay trucks coming in.

So if it happens, we will know exactly who to blame.

Someone from HMRC was on the news the other week talking of their individual workloads going up by a third, 33.333% increase in customs checks and no time or funds to train new staff to pick up the slack. Prices are already rising...

Well MPs gave the contract to ship nearly all UK medicines and life saving drugs on via a company that have never owned or sailed a ferry, run an operation and copy and pasted their T & C s from Domino's Pizza.

Shows how little attention to detail the Gov have spent on such critical matters - but on the plus side nearly all the elderly/baby boomers will die off (the only people who wanted to leave the EU).

Sadly this isn#t hyperbole or doom porn - I have to take 150 odd talets a month for life threatening epilepsy - asked pharmacist, neuro, epi nurse, GP etc.... there are currently no stocks or action plan - no one thought government could be this stupid.

a reply to: djz3ro



Long story short.......

The euro should now be recognized as an experiment that failed. This failure, which has come after just over a dozen years since the euro was introduced, in 1999, was not an accident or the result of bureaucratic mismanagement but rather the inevitable consequence of imposing a single currency on a very heterogeneous group of countries.

The political goal of creating a harmonious Europe has also failed. France and Germany have dictated painful austerity measures in Greece and Italy as a condition of their financial help, and Paris and Berlin have clashed over the role of the European Central Bank (ECB)and over how the burden of financial assistance will be shared.

The initial impetus that led to the European Monetary Union and the euro was political, not economic. European politicians reasoned that the use of a common currency would instill in their publics a greater sense of belonging to a European community

German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer told a French politician that individual European states would never be leading global powers, but "there remains to them only one way of playing a decisive role in the world; that is to unite to make Europe. . Europe will be your revenge."The European Commission cast this arrangement as a steppingstone toward greater political unity and made the specious argument that the free-trade area could succeed only if its member countries used a single currency. (There is, of course, nothing in economic logic or experience that implies that free trade requires a single currency. The North American Free Trade Agreement, for example, has stimulated increased trade without anyone thinking that the United States, Canada, and Mexico should have a single currency.)

And because of the large size of the German economy relative to others in Europe, the ECB's monetary policy must give greater weight to conditions in Germany in its decisions than it gives to conditions in other countries.

Merkel, who want to use the current crisis to advance the development of a political union. They call for a fiscal union in which those countries with budget surpluses would transfer funds each year to the countries running budget deficits and trade deficits. In exchange for these transfers, the European Commission would have the authority to review national budgets and force countries to adopt policies

More fully www.nber.org...

originally posted by: bastion

Shows how little attention to detail the Gov have spent on such critical matters - but on the plus side nearly all the elderly/baby boomers will die off (the only people who wanted to leave the EU).

That is something that has been bandied about so much, that I have taken

special notice on the political and Brexit programmes and news features and

I have found that is pure fallacy. Many young and I mean young people have

spoken very eloquently on leaving the EU.

a reply to: bastion



“MHRA is aware that companies who market pharmaceuticals in the EU and UK will need to plan and make decisions
in advance of the UK’s departure from the EU in March 2019.

“We have reached agreement on the terms of an implementation period from March 30 2019 to December 31 2020.
During this time, the UK will no longer be a member state, but market access will continue on current terms.

www.pharmacy.biz...


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a reply to: fakedirt

The rest of the article points out the flaws plus it's from a year ago and ferry/lack of plans were Jan/Feb time in panic mode.

I spoke to my epilepsy nurse for the county and head consultant neuro-logist; they strongly advice against panic buying and won't let patients stock up for fear of causing a worse shortage - but at present the have stockpies for a bit (I can't take the generic version of mine) but local advice is for those with chronic health conditions to regularly see LHA/med professionals to try and nip problems in the bud.

Like everything it'll be a teething problem that will soon sort itself out but this is a government that literally handed over what's officially classed as a national security pipeline and asset to a organisation without even reading or researching the contract -

a reply to: bastion

i know of people on 300 tablets plus per month and it is a concern.
as per article the ema and mhra have a choke point and this will be ironed out once the legal friction is addressed. sadly this issue of medication shortages has been present for a number of years now and touches large parts of europe as well as the uk.
at the very minimum supplies will be consistent until 2020 31st december so I hope this has alleviated any worries you may have.
with regards to the ferry thing lol!, media et al have consistently thrown this one around perhaps to show incompetence on behalf of the government. my take is I care not if the medications come over in a row boat as long as they arrive in due course.

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Well if the EU are spiteful enough to stop the transfer of medicines to the NHS then that shows them up for what they really are. Noting that the UK has said that trade in the other direction will be unhindered - unless it's stopped on the other side of the channel. If it's stopped then citizens across the EU will be impacted. Do the EU care for nothing?

a reply to: eletheia

Time will tell. I'd say all bets are off now and all we can do is sit back and watch how the die land, there's not a single thing any of us here can do but put our fate in the hands of the corrupt politicians and hope its not as bad as the worst predictions (cos it certainly won't be anywhere near as rosie as the optimistic ones, the truth, as usual will be somewhere down the middle)...

originally posted by: paraphi
Well if the EU are spiteful enough to stop the transfer of medicines to the NHS then that shows them up for what they really are. Noting that the UK has said that trade in the other direction will be unhindered - unless it's stopped on the other side of the channel. If it's stopped then citizens across the EU will be impacted. Do the EU care for nothing?

I'm not sure it's as simple as the EU withholding anything. It's the simple fact that we can't be dealt with as a member of the EU anymore. Back in the Scottish Referendum we were told that there were a lot of things would be withheld or rejected because we'd no longer be in the UK, and people saying that were right, these were things that are available to us as a member of the UK. If we want to keep trade going the way it is, we néed to be in the EU.

originally posted by: djz3ro
I'm not sure it's as simple as the EU withholding anything.

Then the EU needs to come out and say. The UK has guidance covering a whole raft of things, but nothing from the EU.

a reply to: [post=24159544]fakedirt[/post

Fair play and for the vast, vast majority - chopping and changing generics/manufacturers makes little/no difference to patient helth.

MHRA make the EU look competent, or at least not criminal - they currently have a 90% failure rate for providing people with bog standard wheelchairs who need them to move/function writing the first six months of medically requiring one.

In cases such like mine though I can only have on particular brand as others don't work on me/my condition - and as stupid as it sounds the tablet 'sodium volporate' turn useless in minutes if exposed to sunlight, heat about 25C or Below 5C, any moisture, any air etc--- and they're coated In a thin poundstretcher tin foil so break and turn sour if you frown at them; let alone a wave/choppy seas/general packaging causing mass wastage.

I can say on behalf of North West Disability and Health Charities and having been part of a Uni faculty of health that MHRA generally live in 'lala' land - (everyone with my condition witing 45 miles has had their 'MHRA' rights denied/law broken from not signposting patients to more info/expertise. There are two beds to treat the 65,000 patients awaiting treatment - MRHA say the local waiting time is 'six months' when everyone has been waiting at least eight years to even see someone in Neurorehab. Also knew staff who worked at the secure unit in the hospital and got fired for righty pointing out that the inspectors/regulators were completely inventing the number of 'in patients' to make it appear as if policy was working.

a reply to: bastion

i'm aware extra cold storage for sensitive medications are already in place. it remains to be seen if the wholesalers gouge
a large premium or just cost on the medications, time will tell.

imo i see a positive in the whole of brexit by way of supply chains and their exposure to the general public. government has to listen and take actions when bad practice surfaces. the public have opportunity here to steer future policy and dust down all cobwebbed areas.
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Largest economies in Europe.
1st Germany
2nd United Kingdom
3rd France

Point of fact:

France's GDP is now larger than ours in absolute and per capita terms because our economy has taken a kicking over the last couple of years.

originally posted by: paraphi
Well if the EU are spiteful enough to stop the transfer of medicines to the NHS then that shows them up for what they really are. Noting that the UK has said that trade in the other direction will be unhindered - unless it's stopped on the other side of the channel. If it's stopped then citizens across the EU will be impacted. Do the EU care for nothing?

It's not a question of spite. It's a question of legality.

Our imports are governed by all manner of legal agreements. Once we leave the EU, we need to have alternative agreements in place. Most of Europe is read - our comedy government has not made any preparations. It will be worked out eventually but no deal means there will be a massive crunch across the economy - an economy already weakened by austerity and two years of p*ssing about over Europe.

The problem with seeing our dealings with the EU in simple confrontational terms is that it blinds us to the reality and stops us questioning what is going on.

For example, many of people who convinced us to leave the EU have feathered their nests quite nicely. Most have made arrangements to cover their backs eg Nigel Lawson getting French residency, Jacob Rees-Mogg's hedge fund setting up in Dublin. Some have made a bit of cash by betting against the British economy eg John Redwood and Nigel Farage.

Many of these same people also stand to make a fortune if Britain makes a no deal Brexit. They won'ts suffer during any initial crunch....they'll fill their boots. Later on, they'll fill their boots again as we deregulate massively to make our country more attractive to investors. Austerity on steroids.

Everything will be for sale. Everything we haven't already flogged off already that is. What do you think EDF stands for? Who owns Canary Wharf? Roundtrees? Rolls Royce? Vauxhall? Asda?

Who is going to be in charge of all this? The same cowboys who got us in today's situation. Who's going to negotiate all those wonderful trade deals? The same cowboys who left serious negotiation with Brussels until the last minute.

The EU made it clear from day one - the basic principles of the EU are not up for negotiation. What have we made clear since day one? Erm. Um.

One thing we never made clear was what Brexit meant. Back in 2016, we were told how good a Norway model was. Today, the same people are telling us that the Norway model would be almost treason.

These people think we are stupid.

Because the government is hamstrung by austerity, we are going to hurt badly when the EU takes its grants away. London alone will lose £500 million in support to charities and public bodies. Outside London, where the EU funds much more infrastructure, the loss will be greater. Does anyone really think the carpetbaggers behind Brexit give a toss about the North East?

Brexit is a wonderful opportunity to put a lot of things right and we are going to spunk it away, wrapped in the flag and humming the theme from 633 Squadron while the biggest bastids in the country make themselves even richer.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

You have put that far more eloquently than I could of.

The further you are away from Westminster, the less Westminster cares...

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese
One thing we never made clear was what Brexit meant.

Oh, I don't know. The same can be applied to the argument to remain - it's not clear what continued membership of the EU meant, except the gradual erosion of the nation state - although not advertised as such. Studies show the leavers were chasing issues of sovereignty, so that's what Brexit meant to many.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip
Short answer: who gives a crap, London is the economic powerhouse of the world. Bow down beatchessszzz

a reply to: WhyDidIJoin

If that was the case we'd be the wealthiest nation per-capita and Brexit wouldn't be a problem because the whole world would want to trade with us, the British Empire died a long time ago my friend...