Measles outbreak declared a state of emergency in Washington...

a reply to: wtfatta

Hadnt heard that.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: schuyler

Good grief, that really needs to be changed and after all good leftist Progressives dont respect religion freedoms anyway. Why hasnt this been changed?

Why do you think?

a reply to: headorheart

That iskinda ridiculous in a godless Progressive state.

a reply to: schuyler

Well, its my understanding the State is run by Democrats; I can only assume they've been too busy messing other stuff up to address this problem.

As much as people may not like it; human beings have a right to decide what goes in their body. The rights of society don’t supersede the rights of the individual. Also, I am not against getting vaccines as I myself and my family have been vaccinated over the years. What I am against is any government attempt to enforce what is done to others.

a reply to: theatreboy

Yes and no.


Live vaccines are a weaker strain of the disease virus that share surface antigens and so they stimulate the immune system without causing the disease. These are altered so that they cannot cause disease—at least in people with healthy immune systems, and the majority of people without a healthy immune system as well.

The problem comes in with shedding. Someone who gets a live vaccine can shed that virus - most likely in feces - and that can in turn infect someone with a very weak immune system. Measles has been shown not to shed.

I have a spot on my knob and I live in France and travel international quite a lot...

Should you Muricans be worried?

Lags

a reply to: Lagomorphe

I think you should be worried if you have a spot on your knob

, I would rip those kids out of their homes and have the parents prosecuted for child abuse and see them incarcerated!

a reply to: TonyS

I didn't know that you child getting sick was grounds for a CPS call. my kid had a stomach bug from chucky cheese the other day, should CPS be called?

i was unaware that "not getting sick" was a human right.

i'll stick to "my body my choice" seems to work well in other areas of debate

a reply to: headorheart

they stimulate the immune system without causing the disease. T

kind of, which is why you add Al as a adjuvant to cause the body to inflame. that makes the immune response stronger...only problem is you dont get to choose WHERE the human body inflames. could be a heart, small intestine, brain, bowels, or the injection site as planned.

a reply to: Lagomorphe

So you have a spotted dick?

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Lagomorphe

So you have a spotted dick?

Yep and proud...

originally posted by: theatreboy
So if you have a live virus vax, are you contagious?

🤣

Yes. It's called shedding and for a time after receiving a live-virus vaccinations, you can infect others. I'll reiterate...FOR A TIME. If you've been infected with a live virus through a vaccine, then, just like with non-vaccine induced viruses, you can infect others for a period of time.

All communcable live-viruses shed, though some are considered to not shed due to the low possibility of communication; however, just because there's a low possibility (i.e. measles) does not mean you can't infect others.

Do some research before being condescending.

a reply to: wtfatta

Dude ... you do not understand nearly as much as you think you do.

1. When you receive your live-virus vaccinations, you are infected with said live-virus. It may be attenuated by adjuvants, but you're still infected, and it's still communicable which is why you're supposed to stay away from people for a period of time after receiving your vaccination yet few do.

An adjuvant is something added to the injection to irritate your system to create an immune response so that your body sends more white cells to the area faster to pick up on the virus's presence in your system. Attenuated means weakened as in the virulence, or ability of the pathogen to actually harm you (make you sick, both through its actions and your immune system's), has been so reduced as to not make most people ill at all. Hence the use of adjuvants to tip the immune system off.

The reactions most people have to the injection, even the systemic ones are actually their own immune system making them feel crappy. Even the most severe reactions, life-threatening ones are pretty much immune system based (often severe allergic reactions to the adjuvants, not the virus).

2. Live viruses mutate. Unnecessary flu shots result in a myriad of mutated strains that need to be examined to determine which mutation will be the most prevalent.

Live viruses do mutate, but in the case of the flu, it mutates so quickly that those mutations have occurred before the year's flu vaccines even hit the market which is why they such a crap shoot. The flu virus freely moves between a myriad of animal hosts and back to humans again which is why and where the strains pick up their mutations. Vaccines have little to do with it at all as the injectable ones are made using inactivated (killed) virus or only snippets of viral DNA needed to activate an immune response.

3. Herd immunity is a fallacy because 100% is required not 95%. If even one person isn't vaccinated, the strain could mutate and render the herd immunity moot. 100% herd immunity is impossible because not everyone can receive a vaccination.

100% is NOT a requirement for herd immunity. No disease is 100% communicable unless we're talking Steven King, but even Captain Tripps was not 100% communicable. In order to keep spreading, they all require certain optimal conditions and access to new hosts. For Ebola, this requires new hosts to come into contact with the infectious body fluids of the infected. Funerary practices in many African cultures facilitate this as contact with the deceased at funerals with much weeping and throwing of oneself over the dead body is common for the relatives to do -- highly likely to come into contact with diseased fluids.

But, take away optimal conditions to spread, and you break the chain.

This is why people with flu-liked symptoms are urged to stay home during flu season. The virus can readily survive on surfaces for a period of time waiting for someone else to pick it up and transmit it. Innoculate enough people, and even if the virus is picked up, it cannot transmit. It has an increasingly limited pool of hosts it can perpetuate itself in. Limit the number of hosts and you limit the number of places that can be contaminated for those who are not innoculated for one reason or another.

It doesn't take long before your odds of a substantial outbreak are greatly reduced even without a perfect 100% vaccination rate which, of course, you can never attain, just like you will never attain a perfectly 100% effective vaccine.

4. I'm not anti-vax. Vaccines that don't contain a mutatable live virus are fine. Most of the issues people have with vaccines surround live-virus vaccines, the preservatives and the adjuvants.

Then you received your flu injection, right? I didn't, but I did get my shots against certain other diseases, live virus or no. Somehow, I think getting polio would be worse than taking a risk with the oral vaccine if that was what was available.

5. I'll repeat this because so few people abide by it. When you get a live-virus vaccine you are INFECTED. You have a COMMUNICABLE DISEASE. If you do not wait the required time, YOU WILL INFECT OTHER PEOPLE!!

No, you won't.

6. Vaccines can help save lives.

Yes, they can unless you are afraid of them.

7. Vaccines given to people who don't understand the responsibilities, potential risks and consequences can take lives.

A vaccine given to someone who understands it all can still take your life if you're unlikely enough to have a severe allergic reaction to it.

a reply to: Edumakated

Yeah, it might be a big deal that there's a measles outbreak (or not when 0.02% of people in developed nations actually die from it) but the reason it's resurfaced has nothing to do with anti-vaxxers because we have NEVER been as vaccinated as we are right now. Vaccination rates are higher than they've ever been....