Measles outbreak declared a state of emergency in Washington...

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The article is basically saying anti-vaxxers have caused another outbreak. Here's some thoughts...

1. When you receive your live-virus vaccinations, you are infected with said live-virus. It may be attenuated by adjuvants, but you're still infected, and it's still communicable which is why you're supposed to stay away from people for a period of time after receiving your vaccination yet few do.

2. Live viruses mutate. Unnecessary flu shots result in a myriad of mutated strains that need to be examined to determine which mutation will be the most prevalent.

3. Herd immunity is a fallacy because 100% is required not 95%. If even one person isn't vaccinated, the strain could mutate and render the herd immunity moot. 100% herd immunity is impossible because not everyone can receive a vaccination.

4. I'm not anti-vax. Vaccines that don't contain a mutatable live virus are fine. Most of the issues people have with vaccines surround live-virus vaccines, the preservatives and the adjuvants.

5. I'll repeat this because so few people abide by it. When you get a live-virus vaccine you are INFECTED. You have a COMMUNICABLE DISEASE. If you do not wait the required time, YOU WILL INFECT OTHER PEOPLE!!

6. Vaccines can help save lives.

7. Vaccines given to people who don't understand the responsibilities, potential risks and consequences can take lives.

8. I'll repeat it one last time.

When you get a live-virus vaccine you are INFECTED. You have a COMMUNICABLE DISEASE. If you do not wait the required time, YOU WILL INFECT OTHER PEOPLE!!

originally posted by: wtfatta
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The article is basically saying anti-vaxxers have caused another outbreak. Here's some thoughts...

1. When you receive your live-virus vaccinations, you are infected with said live-virus. It may be attenuated by adjuvants, but you're still infected, and it's still communicable which is why you're supposed to stay away from people for a period of time after receiving your vaccination yet few do.

Combine that with an influx of illegals carrying infectious and other communicable diseases this isn't surprising.

I get why people are wary of vaccines, but the risk of not being vaccinated is far greater than a vaccine's bad side effects.

a reply to: wtfatta

So 700 peeps died of opioids....nothing. 25 peeps get sick and its an emergency. Hmmmm. Not really getting that.

The governor of Washington, Inslee, is running for President, Anything he can do to get his name in the public eye is worthwhile. See? He got his name on ATS.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: wtfatta

So 700 peeps died of opioids....nothing. 25 peeps get sick and its an emergency. Hmmmm. Not really getting that.

The two issues are completely unrelated.

Measles is not that common in our society because of vaccines so when 25 people catch it in an area, it is a big deal. In 2015, there were only like 188 cases NATIONWIDE.

While I agree that we have an opioid epidemic, drug addicts are not that uncommon and thus 700 people ODing really isn't news. You could say the same things about deaths from drowning, car accidents, etc.

a reply to: Edumakated

Fair enough. 247 peeps died of the flu in Washington last year...again...just 25 peeps are SICK from measles. So I don't get the so called emergency.

Just to follow up on my post about illegal immigrants...

We have a situation in this country were we have people who are anti-vax and not getting vaccines. The problem is that we also have a influx of illegal immigrants who also aren't vaccinated but they come from countries where diseases that are rare here are common in their home countries.

Think about this.... The US barely registers 200 cases of measles per year because of our advanced medical system and vaccines. However, the disease kills 100,000 a year globally. When we have hordes of people crossing our southern borders and they have not been properly screened / vaccinated they are bringing their diseases with them.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Edumakated

Fair enough. 247 peeps died of the flu in Washington last year...again...just 25 peeps are SICK from measles. So I don't get the so called emergency.

Statistics aren't your strong suit...

Again, the US only has about 200 cases of measles NATIONWIDE per year. The disease has basically been eradicated in our society. If all of a sudden 25 cases appear in one city is is a big deal as it shouldn't be there!

The flu is common. Everyone gets it and yes, elderly people die. This is expected. It doesn't diminish the severity, but it is normal. Measles is not normal in our country.

a reply to: wtfatta

How dangerous is measles anyway? When I was growing up, everyone got it. It was uncomfortable but I don't recall anyone dying.

I think part of the emergency is how highly contagious measles is known to be. A case just broke in my town. International student. Works part time a restaurant and attended class. The amount of people that were at risk for contraction is extremely high.

While there is not such thing as 100 herd immunity, it does help.

Yes, there are risks to vaccines. Yes, you should educated yourself about anything you put in your body. However, science proves the reward greater than the risk.

a reply to: Edumakated

Then the OP should have explained that. I am fine with stats but less so in communicable diseases. Pretty sure every child is vaccinated for measles no?

a reply to: Edumakated

Took 1 person coming in from a third world country here, to cause an outbreak.

And it had nothing to do with anti-vaxxers..

a reply to: wtfatta

What is amazing to me is that even in a backward state like Texas, parents must prove their kids are vaccinated to attend school. They dont do that in Washington State?

Another thing that puzzles me is.......this is Washington State, not known for being lovers of liberty and individual choice. Why the hell hasnt the state set loose the dogs of CPS on the parents that dont vaccinate their kids?

If I were a Progressive Democrat Governor of Washington, I would rip those kids out of their homes and have the parents prosecuted for child abuse and see them incarcerated!

a reply to: toms54

No clue as to exactly how dangerous (Ebola vs influenza?). It seems like it's a plague these days but, like you, I remember a time when pox parties were a thing.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: wtfatta

What is amazing to me is that even in a backward state like Texas, parents must prove their kids are vaccinated to attend school. They dont do that in Washington State?

A child shall be exempt in whole or in part from immunization requirements upon the presentation of any one or more of the following certifications on a form prescribed by the department of health: (1) a written certification signed by any parent or legal guardian of the child or any adult in loco parentis to the child that the religious beliefs of the signator are contrary to the required immunization measures, or (2) a written certification signed by any parent or legal guardian of the child or any adult in loco parentis to the child that the signator has either a philosophical or personal objection to the immunization of the child. The form must include a statement to be signed by a health care practitioner stating that he or she provided the signator with information about the benefits and risks of immunization to the child. Any parent or legal guardian of the child or any adult in loco parentis to the child who exempts the child due to religious beliefs is not required to have the form signed by a health care practitioner if the parent or legal guardian demonstrates membership in a religious body or a church in which the religious beliefs or teachings of the church preclude a health care practitioner from providing medical treatment to the child. Medical exemptions are also allowed.

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a reply to: TonyS

I believe that the outbreak was a result of someone from another country.

On that note, I recall reading that there's a guy who's being charged with genocide because he brought a disease to a remote tribe in..I think south America? So even if we were to eradicate measles, all it would take is one strain to be introduced by a foreigner and all our precautions are for naught.

a reply to: TonyS

I don't know Washington State laws, but what I do know is there is huge religious loopholes in requiring vaccinations in regards to schooling.

I read the article and it seemed to blame the uptick in measles cases on anti-vaxxers and laws that allow people to refuse vaccines for non-medical reasons. I didn't notice any research to support their conclusion. Unless they are saying that correlation implies causation, which the forced vaccine crowd always told us was a logical fallacy.

Do they have any proof that the outbreak was caused by anti-vaxxers or "lax" laws?

So if you have a live virus vax, are you contagious?

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a reply to: schuyler

Good grief, that really needs to be changed and after all good leftist Progressives dont respect religion freedoms anyway. Why hasnt this been changed?