TH3WH17ERABB17 -Q- Questions. White House Insider's postings -PART- -XV-

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: queenofswords

Because bargaining a second time from a position of weakness always works.

Patience, Aal, it is not really a position of weakness. Trump has showed that he cared enough to allow the Feds to be paid while Pelosi and her crew played politics with their lives. He has plan B in reserve after Pelosi and crew self destruct or when the latest caravan reaches the border.
Q claims that she is controlled. As I said in an earlier post, I suspect that Pelosi is playing a part that she has to play. If that is true, the script will lead to a Trump/Q victory. If it is not true, she is arrogant and selfish beyond belief and is making one stupid political move after another. Napoleon cautioned patience also -- “In that case,” said Napoleon, “let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”

In either case, this will play out and my bet is on Trump in either situation.

I remember most of you hoping he would use the shutdown for a RIF so don't preach to me how he just "saved the poor federal workers".

I think you all have had the goal posts moved so many times you think it's somehow normal.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: burntheships
The reason I'm a Trump supporter is simply that he's really trying to keep his campaign promises, and he's really trying to do what's best for the average American. I'm 43 years old, and this is the first time in my life we have had a president who did that.

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I give credit where credit is due, and hes the only one I've seen even attempt to keep his promises. Usually those promises end when the campaign ends. Trump never quit. Aside from the "lock her up" ordeal, which...? Who knows.

I was an advocate for keeping the government closed indefinitely, but the sad reality is that the federal government is so big that its affecting too many lives; too many children's lives. These families need to eat. They need to pay Bill's. A prolonged government shut down will ultimately lead to a (fastly) degrading economy. Its a wise decision to open it in my opinion. He also gets the credit for reopening because the blame is being placed on the Demonrats for not negotiating a deal. I've seen plenty of dems calling for the wall now, and applauding Trump for his decision.

How did POTUS cave on the wall?

He gave 3 more weeks for the Dems to negotiate...and to actually get something for negotiating.

He knows Pelosi will not allow house Dems to allocate money for a wall (still their choice)...but Trump will have been shown to be the one showing compassion for federal employees, as well as a will to negotiate to avoid a new shutdown and/or Emergency declaration granting him billions of dollars MORE for the wall.

He gets employees paid again (plus back pay), keeps Super Bowl going forward smoothly,...definitively shows Dems to the nation as being for open borders...and, after three weeks, actually gets $1.6B MORE for the wall than he originally asked for from congress.

Keep in mind...3 weeks from now, those new caravans will be MUCH bigger...and MUCH closer to the US border.

originally posted by: Aallanon
I remember most of you hoping he would use the shutdown for a RIF so don't preach to me how he just "saved the poor federal workers".

I think you all have had the goal posts moved so many times you think it's somehow normal.

Read the second half of my reply to AndyFromMichigan. I wanted the RIF to be implemented bigly, as did most libertarians I imagine, but you cannot drastically reduce the workforce of s government this large in a short period of time. It will absolutely destroy everything, the economy being the biggest.

I understand your frustration, but if you take off the Q goggles for a minute and realize that there is more to it than just what Q says, or an idea that someone has, or our wishes, you'll be able to see why he opened the government short term. You might think he caved, but I see it as a strategical move. Nothing to do with Q.

a reply to: IAMTAT

He actually said

If the Dems don't negotiate in three weeks I'll shut down the government or declare an emergency.

one of the things already happened and the other he could have already done anytime.

It is an empty threat.

How can you see it any differently?

I am sincerely asking.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

I agree, he has tried to make good on his promise to
strengthen The U.S. and at the same time do the best
for the majority of the people.

I like many others may not have a firm opinion of Q,
hadn't posted here in a bit so thought it would be
a good time to speak up.

My opinion on Mueller has not changed, he is a bad
actor and was specifically set up for this task by
the corrupt State. Deep State, Shadow Government
what ever we call them makes no difference we know
they exist and anything done to bring light to that
situation is all good.

It is very obvious at this point Mueller's main objective
is to slow walk the pain to Trump to keep him on a leash.
Just as he was chosen to do. I read Peter Strzok's texts
from time to time to remind myself that what we are
living through now was set in motion years ago by
those bad actors; and who they serve. Brennan,
Comey, Obama, Lynch, all of them socialists communists.
They were quietly dissasembling the country into
pieces to be carted off to the NWO.

Trump is fighting an evil force to be reckoned with.
It will never be over, never be finished. This is his
life now, and always will be.

The danger of following anyone is they can lead you astray
if one is not focused on truth. So in that sense I am not
a Trump follower. If the time came when he veered far
off the course I will recognize that and acknowledge.

a reply to: Aallanon

I remember most of the "Q" folks hoping republicans wouldn't swing vote under pressure for the shorter term two week proposal. The vote didn't pass only got 51 votes so we didn't see any improvement from the democrats. So Trump is now giving us a three week break to take the pressure off and try again for a bipartisan vote.

Glad to see the innocent Federal employees being given a break for something that was not their fault!

This will also give the ones that need time to arrange financing to get that done with.

Win Win!

originally posted by: Aallanon


I think you all have had the goal posts moved so many times you think it's somehow normal.

See, that's the obvious danger of following anyone. That could be true
of Q, but I am not following Q so I don't really know. I think there are lot
of things attributed to Q that people have tacked on so there is a real
effort to dilute and contaminate. Whether this is intentional to discredit,
or not I don't know.

I read this thread for the research from ATS members I know for a decade,
and to learn and identify the bad actors, and I know many others do the same.

Not trying to argue with you or anyone, just thought it would be a good
time to clarify why I am in the thread reading and following, but do not post
often.

a reply to: IAMTAT

So if Trump renews the shutdown, are you folks going to be disappointed with him? Or will you change your mind every time he makes a new decision to either have a shutdown or not have a shutdown?

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: IAMTAT

He actually said

If the Dems don't negotiate in three weeks I'll shut down the government or declare an emergency.

one of the things already happened and the other he could have already done anytime.

It is an empty threat.

How can you see it any differently?

I am sincerely asking.

If Dems negotiate he gets $5.4B for the wall.

If Dems do not negotiate he gets:
+$7B for the wall
+ Establishes that he was willing to (and tried diligently) do it through congress but the Dems are intransigent and want open borders

I see this as a good strategic move...probably one planned well in advance.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: IAMTAT

So if Trump renews the shutdown, are you folks going to be disappointed with him? Or will you change your mind every time he makes a new decision to either have a shutdown or not have a shutdown?

I see Trump playing the long game on this.
I also have faith he knows he'll get exactly what he wants in the end.

If I was an impatient, self-important and cynical person that believed I have more access and insight into Trump's plans and inside information than Trump himself...then I would probably sound more like some others.

dbl

a reply to: IAMTAT

Well I can only assume you're talking about me.

So I will respond.



I asked how you see this as + for Trump, you replied

If Dems negotiate he gets $5.4B for the wall. If Dems do not negotiate he gets: +$7B for the wall

Does it really elude you that this is the exact position he was in 2 hours ago?

You then stated

If I was an impatient, self-important and cynical person that believed I have more access and insight into Trump's plans and inside information than Trump himself.

while that is true of me, is not your position just a little naive?

a reply to: IAMTAT

You are very wise!

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: IAMTAT

Well I can only assume you're talking about me.

So I will respond.



I asked how you see this as + for Trump, you replied

If Dems negotiate he gets $5.4B for the wall. If Dems do not negotiate he gets: +$7B for the wall

Does it really elude you that this is the exact position he was in 2 hours ago?

You then stated

If I was an impatient, self-important and cynical person that believed I have more access and insight into Trump's plans and inside information than Trump himself.

while that is true of me, is not your position just a little naive?

You assume wrongly...at least concerning how it is I think of you.

I see you as intelligent and open-minded...while currently very upset and frustrated because something just occurred that you don't quite yet understand.

a reply to: Aallanon

I doubt anyone holds your frustration against you. I don't, because I know you're a genuine person that cares about this country.

Your opinions aren't tied to some agenda to knock off people you disagree with.

Keep your chin up.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I feel like I've been called cynical before here, but honestly I think I'm one of the least cynical people in this thread. I trust Mueller quite a lot, I don't believe in the satanic pedovore network, actually I'm downright naive! Well I don't believe Q is a good guy/guys, but isn't Q very cynical too? Q says the world is so evil most people couldn't even comprehend how evil it is. I am less cynical than Q, for sure.

Also, I'd like to note that you did not provide any arguments. You just talked about how you have faith it will work out, and then you called me cynical. I too have faith that it will work out in the end. But I guess in the opposite way than you, in some regards.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I see you as intelligent and open-minded...while currently very upset and frustrated because something just occurred that you don't quite yet understand.

Very patronizing.

Analogy.

Anyone ever been in a car with a driver who was really really good at driving fast?

How helpless and insecure do you feel? The reason is your POV is as a passenger, which is not the POV of a driver - no matter how much you think your POV's are the same they are not.

The driver feels calm, secure, as he is three turns ahead while as a passenger is often trying to process the turn just passed.

DJT has proven: NK, Russia, Trade, Requests for restructuring government, debt, jobs, military rebuild, ICE/Boarder support, Supreme Court, Syria, etc. to be the driver. Each piece falls not in a linear fashion as we the passengers see it, but in another form.

What if government needs to be open because of something we cannot yet see in linear? He's made it clear to those who listen the end game is not just government - we all hate it to one degree or another, but the WITCH hunt and Humans As Currency.

a reply to: TomLawless

Second that. Totally.