Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

Is this really the best technology America can come up with? Can you imagine the conversation you'd have with your boss if you came up with it??

Boss: We need to stop people coming over from Mexico. Give me suggestions on the best way we can do that. It's the 21st century so lets be creative.
Employee: We could build a big wall
Boss: Ok, any way people can get past it?
Employee: Well...you can dig under it, climb over it, break through it with tools from home depot...and obviously we can't stop any drugs with it. And all the people who get here on visa's will still get through.
Boss: Right..and how much will this 'wall' cost?
Employee: About 30billion. Give or take a billion. Plus ongoing maintenance costs every year.
Boss: I think I can see a couple of flaws in your plan there lad...the main one being that that a wall that doesn't stop people isn't actually a wall..is it.

originally posted by: knoxie
the man cannot stop lying.

and, blaming.. it's so unattractive and the sign of a really weak man.

blame blame blame.

I thought trump called for concrete?

And Democrats said. No steel.

Trump said it costed more for steel but would compromise?

Where is the lying and blame.

Guy is trying to protect people.

The numbers of illegals currently in prison is ridiculous.

Every single one of those crimes could have been prevented

originally posted by: bluesilver
Is this really the best technology America can come up with? Can you imagine the conversation you'd have with your boss if you came up with it??

Boss: We need to stop people coming over from Mexico. Give me suggestions on the best way we can do that. It's the 21st century so lets be creative.
Employee: We could build a big wall
Boss: Ok, any way people can get past it?
Employee: Well...you can dig under it, climb over it, break through it with tools from home depot...and obviously we can't stop any drugs with it. And all the people who get here on visa's will still get through.
Boss: Right..and how much will this 'wall' cost?
Employee: About 30billion. Give or take a billion. Plus ongoing maintenance costs every year.
Boss: I think I can see a couple of flaws in your plan there lad...the main one being that that a wall that doesn't stop people isn't actually a wall..is it.

American citizen.... There is a over population of illegal aliens in America prisons.
We are spending too money prosecuting and jailing people never supposed to be there.
Not to mention the loss of life.
Can we try and prevent crimes being committed by people never supposed to be there?

American citizen,....we see reports that a large percentage of drugs comes through Mexico.
How can that be prevented?

American citizen... the border patrol agents, the ones with the most experience with this subject say a wall works. Why do Democrats not listen to the experts?


President....for thousands and thousands of years walls have been the cheapest and effective way of securing yourself.

From the great wall of China which is considered a world wonder and vacation hot spot, to the recent wall in Israel. The statistics out of Israel shows a few thousand illegals immigrants in the country before the wall. To present day which has under 10.
The effectiveness was tremendous.

Not only is the wall a physical barrier it also sends a clear mental message. And will lower motivation to enter countires illegally.

Suspend all immigration until the current Visa system can show Competence in returning those that have expired.
Clearly they are showing no control over their current system.

Amrican citizen..... Why are my taxes always going up?

President.....because right now in America there are more people who will use evething there is to offer then there are those who contribute.

More people using roads and bridges then there are those who pay taxes for their maintenance.

5 kids in a classroom of 25 that have parents who contribute to school tax

Emergency room service, police, fire are using a large majority of their time and budget on people never supposed to be there or people that have never and will never contribute one dime to these services.

Digging under, climbing over?

Cheapest and most effective way used in the past was to build a moat in front of your wall.

This wall will pay for itself 10 fold

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: bluesilver
Is this really the best technology America can come up with? Can you imagine the conversation you'd have with your boss if you came up with it??

Boss: We need to stop people coming over from Mexico. Give me suggestions on the best way we can do that. It's the 21st century so lets be creative.
Employee: We could build a big wall
Boss: Ok, any way people can get past it?
Employee: Well...you can dig under it, climb over it, break through it with tools from home depot...and obviously we can't stop any drugs with it. And all the people who get here on visa's will still get through.
Boss: Right..and how much will this 'wall' cost?
Employee: About 30billion. Give or take a billion. Plus ongoing maintenance costs every year.
Boss: I think I can see a couple of flaws in your plan there lad...the main one being that that a wall that doesn't stop people isn't actually a wall..is it.

Digging under, climbing over?

Cheapest and most effective way used in the past was to build a moat in front of your wall.

This wall will pay for itself 10 fold

The past you mean like medieval times when they didn't have great medicine or technology, yep it's hard to see what's changed...

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: bluesilver
Is this really the best technology America can come up with? Can you imagine the conversation you'd have with your boss if you came up with it??

Boss: We need to stop people coming over from Mexico. Give me suggestions on the best way we can do that. It's the 21st century so lets be creative.
Employee: We could build a big wall
Boss: Ok, any way people can get past it?
Employee: Well...you can dig under it, climb over it, break through it with tools from home depot...and obviously we can't stop any drugs with it. And all the people who get here on visa's will still get through.
Boss: Right..and how much will this 'wall' cost?
Employee: About 30billion. Give or take a billion. Plus ongoing maintenance costs every year.
Boss: I think I can see a couple of flaws in your plan there lad...the main one being that that a wall that doesn't stop people isn't actually a wall..is it.

Digging under, climbing over?

Cheapest and most effective way used in the past was to build a moat in front of your wall.

This wall will pay for itself 10 fold

The past you mean like medieval times when they didn't have great medicine or technology, yep it's hard to see what's changed...

Many of these places they are coming from are like medieval times.
Medicne?
Technology?

No...

a reply to: Bloodworth

You believe that too I bet, us humans are crafty that's how we keep on surviving...

There are many types of explosives available in “special stores” worldwide...

To start with… DETCORDS , cheap, fast and easy to set-up, strong and reliable, it can cut thru whatever, it “used by miners, lumberjacks, forest/landscape engineers and designers/military/fire-fighters etc. “. Just have enough to create a doorway “or several” somewhere and run/drive thru it.

The idea of building walls for national protections is stupid enough to encourage” whomever they call ”illegal” invaders just for the fun of it”, it is expensive, unreliable, high maintenance cost etc.


If you all are so afraid of smugglers, drug dealers and whatever why not creating large minefield like many other “normal countries” do?

a reply to: Qboneq

please list the " normal countries " who in 2019 - use " large minefeilds " for border defence

Where did this idea come from that the wall needed to be impervious. I can cut through your homes front steel door with a bottle opener, that's how thin the steel is protecting your home. Also anyone saying they can cut through the wall with a saw by hand has obviously never done it by hand, hope they bring a mess of blades to cut an opening big enough they can get through.

These people will just use anything within their grasp to attempt to discredit whatever trump does, it's pathetic and I don't even have a dog in this fight.

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a reply to: ignorant_ape



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There are also mines that causes small physical injuries instead of killing and dismembering or releasing sleeping gas or just causing fear with very loud sounds over 130+ decibels makes intruders to run away in opposite direction..


Cost cheaper than walls…..

a reply to: Qboneq

care to try again - and ACTUALLY answer my question :

please list the " normal countries " who in 2019 - use " large minefeilds " for border defence

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Qboneq

care to try again - and ACTUALLY answer my question :

please list the " normal countries " who in 2019 - use " large minefeilds " for border defence

I am sure that you didn’t follow my post…

Here is NBC report from 2015 when Croatia (Europe) tried to stop and scare away those poor migrant

www.nbcnews.com...


hope it wasn't FAKE NEWS....

500 ft mine field.

Mines buried at various depths to give the tunnelers something to look forward too.

a reply to: Qboneq

ok - last chance :

please list the " normal countries " who in 2019 - use " large minefeilds " for border defence

please read the croatia article - all the fields were plannted during the civil war // partition wars - and a large % of them have been cleared - but 10s of thousands remain in various countries in the region INCLUDING the serbian side of the border - are you suggesting the serbs minefields are to keep immigrants from escaping ???

it was such a simple question - but hey ........................

PS - have you actually read the american policy on landmines lately ???

the killer clause = no mines with a service life > 14 days

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Fair enough breaches...then there'd still be a need for a rapid response from Border Protection Units

a reply to: rickymouse

Yeah thanks. I'm staring to research into solar panel powered electric fencing. Having said that - can you pinpoint to a close range where a breach in the fence may be if they use cutters?

a reply to: UMayBRite!

Getting across becomes an "IQ" test. if you are smart enough to get in, ok, you can stay!

But then they will be too resourceful and the Robber Barrons in the States don't like the competition showing them up.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

Would not the best solution be a combination of physical barriers and other things like drones? I think it makes sense that it would be a valuable tool for the Border Patrol also.

I still cant quite figure out why there is any "issue" over something that has been in decline for at least the last 11 years?

a reply to: JimNasium

JimNasium

Caps, Trademarks, no capital O after LOUD!!!.

You Sir, bring a whole new meaning to the De-evolution of Language ( [Tm.] lol ) .

GinNauseum; you really should trademark and patent your lexicon. You're on a winner.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: rickymouse

Yeah thanks. I'm staring to research into solar panel powered electric fencing. Having said that - can you pinpoint to a close range where a breach in the fence may be if they use cutters?

They could use a certain wire that has a specific ferequency in line with a computer that analyzes frequency patterns. The wire could be inside the tube and when cut would trigger a loss of frequency. A kind of situation like this is utilized in smart meters, but it is way more complex. They can use this to find breaks in the power lines because of a special type of circuitry incorporated into transformers or an add on kind of thing or because of loss of data frequency of a smart meter. I do not know a lot of specifics about this, Flyingdaydisk might know exactly how these things work.

It could make it possible to know which section of wall or fence is being breached, maybe in a hundred yard area might be acceptable or even a little more, like a thousand yard section. Cutting the signal would cause a breach signal at the office. Someone could figure a way to bypass the system I suppose to cover their access somehow.

There are ways to signal someone cutting the fence that are not that expensive.