30 Transgender Regretters Come Out Of The Closet

a reply to: kaylaluv

If you say so--I'm pretty sure that I know what I was saying, though, so if I didn't spell it out well enough in my initial response for you to comprehend, you should understand my stance on it by now. It is not longer a failure of my communication, but a failure of your comprehension.

In plain English: Not every trans person suffers from past trauma or other debilitating mental illness, but I'm willing to bet that a majority do, regardless of either of our anecdotal stories about, 'but I know someone who..." This is based on studies by actual psychiatrists and psychologists, and I put that above anecdotal stories as far as evidence is concerned.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
So it's a mental disorder that harms nobody but maybe themselves. Do we discriminate against people with other harmless mental disorders? Or accept and accommodate?

Actually if something is harmless then it is not considered a mental disorder. This is why homosexuality was removed from the DSM as it can be seen as not normal affecting only a very small portion of the population, but it is not harmful to be registered as a disorder.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Wayfarer

They can be both at the same time...doesn't negate the reality that you're trolling.

Respectfully disagree

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I’d love to see your studies by actual psychiatrists and psychologists that say most trans people suffer from past trauma (other than bullying for being gender dysphoric), or other debilitating mental illness.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LordAhriman
So it's a mental disorder that harms nobody but maybe themselves. Do we discriminate against people with other harmless mental disorders? Or accept and accommodate?

Actually if something is harmless then it is not considered a mental disorder. This is why homosexuality was removed from the DSM as it can be seen as not normal affecting only a very small portion of the population, but it is not harmful to be registered as a disorder.

Some coding relating to mental health - - was left/included to qualify for insurance.

But, other than that - - yes Disorder.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Well, we do have the OP which indicates that some transgender individuals are actually suffering from other illnesses that simply manifest as gender dystrophy. Perhaps if this avenue were further explored, a better distinction could be advanced.

The problem with that is that the 'bullying' you mention goes both ways. Not only are some people who actually suffer from primary gender dystrophy wrongly denied treatment due to a belief that such does not exist, but the OP shows that some with underlying issues are convinced to pursue gender revision when simpler and more effective treatment for their actual issue is available.

In any medical setting, the simplest causes for symptoms are addressed first. If someone comes into a hospital thin and weak, the cause could be AIDS or cancer... but simple malnutrition is typically addressed first. If the treatment does not work, then additional tests are indicated to find an underlying, more serious condition. If the cause is cancer, giving food will not harm the patient or make future treatments more difficult; if the cause is malnutrition, giving radiation and/or chemotherapy will only make the problem worse.

All I think SlapMonkey is saying (and what I am saying) is that other issues that could be manifesting as gender dystrophy should be investigated first. If the patient does not respond, then perhaps sexual reassignment is needed, but it is foolhardy to simply prescribe the most severe treatment first. That really does not need a panel of psychologists to verify; it is common-sense medical procedure that would be considered proper should we not live in a world where transgender is looked upon by TPTB as the most desired illness. There should never be such a thing as a "most desired illness," and certainly not for political purposes.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Annee

I agree. I should have been using the term disorder instead of illness.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

The info in the OP is anecdotal. I don’t believe there are any legitimate studies that claim gender dysphoria is primarily a result of past trauma or some other mental illness.

Are there situations when someone seems to present symptoms of gender dysphoria, when in fact there are other issues? Definitely. Should there be an exhaustive therapy treatment to make sure? Absolutely.

I should edit to add that all the trans people I know personally had extensive therapy before transitioning took place. Like, YEARS of it.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Are there situations when someone seems to present symptoms of gender dysphoria, when in fact there are other issues? Definitely. Should there be an exhaustive therapy treatment to make sure? Absolutely.

That's all we are saying. I don't think either of us want to deny someone an actual needed treatment, no matter how severe it may be.

TheRedneck

What exactly gay people have to do with trans people? If it was the same there wouldn't be lgbT. Yes T on the end.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: SlapMonkey

I’d love to see your studies by actual psychiatrists and psychologists that say most trans people suffer from past trauma (other than bullying for being gender dysphoric), or other debilitating mental illness.

Many stories from Trans people themselves start with some sort of trauma. I'd comfortably argue 8 out of 10 times.

There was a woman I was reading about on Reddit that had weight issues. She stated "no no no, this is not how a woman is supposed to look" and described her self hated for being nearly 500lbs. She goes on to talk about her weight loss journey, and ends with "I'm now thinner, happier, and I've also begun to finish my transition".

Trauma comes in many forms, and many people handle it differently.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheRedneck

The info in the OP is anecdotal. I don’t believe there are any legitimate studies that claim gender dysphoria is primarily a result of past trauma or some other mental illness.

Are there situations when someone seems to present symptoms of gender dysphoria, when in fact there are other issues? Definitely. Should there be an exhaustive therapy treatment to make sure? Absolutely.

I should edit to add that all the trans people I know personally had extensive therapy before transitioning took place. Like, YEARS of it.

You routinely rely on anecdotes. The trans people you know are happy, for instance.

ETA: And maybe those studies are being suppressed by the Transgender lobby.

originally posted by: Annee

But, other than that - - yes Disorder.

Its not in the DMS as a disorder, so it is not a disorder...

Gender Dysmoprhia is a very serious condition.

Unless you have proper counseling and support things will go incredibly badly for you.

However some don't see it like this and online, where people typically go for help with this issue, they tell you to just go for the surgery without any of the other stuff you need because it is apparently a choice like choosing what brand of soft drink to buy apparently. As opposed to a life changing decision.

A lot of these people are young and impressionable, teenagers or young adults and it is very possible they never needed surgery to begin with.

The result is 50% of post-op transsexuals kill themselves because they made a horrible mistake due to a lack of proper medical and psychiatric help.

Only radical progressives are to blame. Since telling people to seek proper help is apparently hatred.

If you actually feel like you have the wrong sex, go to a Doctor, not to Tumblr.

Thankfully the grand total of 2 transgenders I actually know did the proper thing. Others might not be so lucky.

Maybe encouraging people to essentially mutilate themselves without proper medical advice should be a crime?

a reply to: KiwiNite

No one is saying that transgender and gay are the same. I will, however, say I see similarities. The first is that being gay has become one of those 'preferred conditions' I spoke about with transgenders. Certainly there seem to be people who are obviously simply attracted to the same gender, and I have no issue with that. But politically there is a tendency to celebrate rather than simply accept someone 'coming out of the closet' just as there is celebration rather than simply acceptance when someone believes they are transgendered.

I have also noticed, admittedly anecdotally, that the gay individuals I know well enough to analyze more often than not have some sort of childhood trauma surrounding their parents. Not all, but enough to be appreciable.

Here again, if we are to ever have a serious discussion about such issues, it cannot happen in a climate where people intentionally try to take offense at questions and assumptions that others are trying to investigate. All that does is cause division and destroy any chance of coming to an understanding of the issues involved.

TheRedneck

My biggest concern is that Gender Dysmoprhia is treated just like any other lifestyle choice, instead of a mental and emotional health issue.

People go through stages of strong and very weak mental and emotional health, some are driven to suicide in it's worst form.
But could it not be that some people are suicideing the gender they were born with as an emotional coping mechanism.
Look at people who cut themselves to cope with trauma, taken to it's ultimate level a guy can have something really important cut off, and totally regret it 10 years later.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I know the family of one of the first sex change doctors

His clients only increased in volume when their average age decreased.

*I think* he actually helped develop the reversion process. Or was used as a consultant. I don't know. Anyways. I have to ask why they helped develop it since it undoes what their work was all about.

That sounds like mad science just because you can.

Either way, it's not as reversible as some think. Nothing about your health or life is ever the same.

Post op is a rough time only the strong really survive. If you are messed up, it makes you worse. Met some of both groups.

Post op is forever, even if you go back (not possible always). You are still, post op.

a reply to: rickymouse


You cant change the sex you were born with, you can only have a go at changing it.

What? Someone might have second thoughts after getting a surgery that permanently alters their genitals?

Woah.

I've never heard of this before.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: KansasGirl


i lived in northern virginia for a time.

i grew up and my kids grew up in the burbs of atlanta.

live in denver now.

i've got a boat load of sibling, too. don't know one person going through transition or one person who is struggling with it - not one.

Interesting.

Most of my family is in the Midwest (Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas), and none of them know any kids who are wanting to change their gender.

My mom, however, about ten or twenty years ago, worked with a grown man- he was in his late 50's- who "transitioned" into being a woman. This was at least ten years ago, and he was a completely grown-ass man when he changed over to "living as a woman." I think he eventually had the sex-change operation but I'll have to ask my
mom, I don't remember for sure.

With the kids: I just really have the instinct that it's a fad, or some other word to describe the result of the more crazy very liberal things going on in society today. All three of my friends, the mothers of these girls-turned-boys, are totally normal (in the sense that the word can be used; I realize that no one is really "normal"), and there isn't and hasn't been anything weird going on in the households. All three have other children who have expressed no interest in changing their gender, and it's been VERY confusing for the younger siblings of these now "boys."

This isn't the same thing, but I think it's in the same ballpark of social environment: girls in 7th and 8th grade (where I live) are declaring themselves lesbian. A couple of my middle school students have shared snippets with me, about how lots of girls are getting "girlfriends" now. One student told me that in her choir at school, 8 out of the 15 girls in there have girlfriends and call themselves lesbians.

Ok, I think that number is bit high for whatever the statistical average for gay women is. They are in 7th grade, 8th grade. Some of these girls haven't even had their first period yet. But they are sure they are lesbians?

This is what adolescents do- they experiment, they try things out, and: they try to push adults' buttons. These girls- they probably sure are getting some extra attention somewhere now, whether it's their parents, or its being the center of what's being talked about amongst their classmates. I do not think that all 8 of those girls are gay.

Now what about the gender changers? If an adolescent is feeling left out or invisible, or if they feel like they aren't special, or any other of the normal crappy feelings that come with puberty- well if they are a biological girl and all of a sudden they want to be called Jimmy and use the bathroom with the boys, well, they're probably feeling a little more special, a little more interesting now, aren't they? And they've probably gotten the loving and specialized attention of a few grown-ups. Add in the fact that it's praised and celebrated by many in media when a child wants to change gender, and here we are. Maybe. Certainly, these kids who change gender, they are now immune to being criticized in any way about ANYTHING now, because they are doing something "brave" and so even calling them out on anything from bad behavior or poor grades will get that person smacked down in a heartbeat. Anything non-positive these kids do now, well, it's because of the stress of changing genders. Right?

I'm not saying it comes down to kids wanting attention. I am SURE that there are issues of trauma in some of these cases. Although, trauma has been happening to kids since humans appeared, so why is the trauma suddenly manifesting like this? Why hasn't it manifested like this so much in the past?

I'm just saying that there has got to be a social issue here that plays the bigger part of this pandemic.