Stanton Friedman,"Bob (Lazaar) Lied Deliberately" and Jeremy Corbell Acts Like A "Teenage Girl"

who gives a crap really if Bobs background checks out, shut up old man. Who cares if he went to MIT. Who cares where he worked, what matters is if he was at area 51 or not. No one will ever know for sure except bob and the people that worked with him. One would think by now one of his coworkers would come forward to say he was there, but who knows how much pressure they are under or if they are scared for thier lives.

a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jay-morris

Well Travis did know about a National Enquirer offer of a $5000 reward for "positive proof" of an extraterrestrial encounter. Guess what happened not too long after....?

- Walton and the other crew members divided the $5000 and gave exclusive story rights to the Enquirer.

- Walton's medical exams and initial failed-but-kept-secret polygraph test were set up and paid for by the National Enquirer.

- Walton's supposed abduction provided the much-needed "act of god" that enabled logging contractor Mike Rogers to avoid costly penalties due to the crew falling far behind schedule.

- Walton and Rogers could have easily rigged up a glowing light or other prop to make the other five think they'd seen a UFO.

- Faced with embarrassing questions, the Walton family decided they would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction-by-aliens story.

See : Source




As for Corbell and Friedman. I'll leave them debating for eternity. Friedman was supposed to have retired. He got people interested in flying saucers, wrote a few books and appeared on TV and at conferences. Corbell has made a handful of films that are aimed at the casual viewer. Both are entertainers first and there isn't particularly anything wrong with that.

I really believe someone could have solved the Bob Lazar story long before now given enough time and resources. Maybe they have?

But where would be the fun in that for everyone else?

WOW after reading everything on the linked page it makes the whole "fire in the sky" story seem like a BIG JOKE HAHAHA

I had never heard that Travis said the aliens were wearing "tight fitting, tan colored, robes" haha with "Mushroom white skin color" sounds like something out of a 70s sci fi magazine lol

Oh and that picture of these guys holding up their cheques from the National Enquirer lol never saw that one before either. I don't know what to say about that other then if something like this happened nowadays it would never pass the smell test lol

originally posted by: Jay-morris


Answer me this question about the Travis Walton case. Why have none of the other witnesess come forward to say it was a hoax? If they initially went along with the story for money, why not come clean now, as they would make money doing so.

Travis and Mike were close, but the other were not. Crew member Dallas was a handful. The rest of the crew got on with their lives. It's only Travis who has made money from this.

So, the others beingbinvolved in the hoax, does not make sense. Not one bit.

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Did you not read the linked page? The others might not have even been in on the hoax. Could have been just Travis and his boss (who drove off really quick so the other witnesses didn't get a good look) in on the hoax. Read the quote from one of the witnesses from a few months after the event, which was recorded but didn't become public till years after. I forget what witness it was (but you can read the link mirageman put up) but he says "I thought it was a Deer blind in the trees, you know those things Hunters hide in so the Deer don't see them?"

Could have been something as simple as a Deer blind set up with Travis's brother up there operating a spotlight and some Disco lights to give the colors. Travis could have just jumped down a hill and landed on some softly packed branches to give the impression that he got "shot off 10 feet". Then Travis 's boss takes off and starts freaking out about a "UFO" and keeps going on and on and since he was the boss and the oldest of the group they probably all looked up to him and after the drive back and the boss freaking out the whole time and getting everyone rolled up they all thought they saw a crazy UFO .

While they are gone Travis and his brother get rid of any evidence, load it up in the brothers truck and drive Travis off somewhere to a safe house to hide out (like maybe at Travis's sisters house) . The sheriff, a couple deputies and Travis boss don't get back there to look for Travis for a couple hours at least.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

a reply to: Jay-morris

I was just using tactics that are often adopted by people who tend towards the ETH. Stanton Friedman himself often says "evidence of absence is not absence of evidence" to convince people his theories are at least valid until proven otherwise.

So what about the evidence? Travis Walton won a cash sum of $5000 for the "positive proof" of an extraterrestrial encounter from the National Enquirer.



So the National Enquirer was convinced but does that prove he encountered extra-terrestrials to you?

As to Lazar. What motives could he have for concocting his crazy story?

What do you know about Zeta Reticuli 2 and Bob. Two Bobs in fact.?

originally posted by: TheOnlyBilko

originally posted by: Jay-morris


Answer me this question about the Travis Walton case. Why have none of the other witnesess come forward to say it was a hoax? If they initially went along with the story for money, why not come clean now, as they would make money doing so.

Travis and Mike were close, but the other were not. Crew member Dallas was a handful. The rest of the crew got on with their lives. It's only Travis who has made money from this.

So, the others beingbinvolved in the hoax, does not make sense. Not one bit.

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Did you not read the linked page? The others might not have even been in on the hoax. Could have been just Travis and his boss (who drove off really quick so the other witnesses didn't get a good look) in on the hoax. Read the quote from one of the witnesses from a few months after the event, which was recorded but didn't become public till years after. I forget what witness it was (but you can read the link mirageman put up) but he says "I thought it was a Deer blind in the trees, you know those things Hunters hide in so the Deer don't see them?"

Could have been something as simple as a Deer blind set up with Travis's brother up there operating a spotlight and some Disco lights to give the colors. Travis could have just jumped down a hill and landed on some softly packed branches to give the impression that he got "shot off 10 feet". Then Travis 's boss takes off and starts freaking out about a "UFO" and keeps going on and on and since he was the boss and the oldest of the group they probably all looked up to him and after the drive back and the boss freaking out the whole time and getting everyone rolled up they all thought they saw a crazy UFO .

While they are gone Travis and his brother get rid of any evidence, load it up in the brothers truck and drive Travis off somewhere to a safe house to hide out (like maybe at Travis's sisters house) . The sheriff, a couple deputies and Travis boss don't get back there to look for Travis for a couple hours at least.

That theory has been banging round for years. While more plausible that they did it for money, which I proved they did not, it has holes in it too.

Firstly, they said they saw the disc shaped object. Second, it was in a clearing, not above trees. So, whoever was in on it, had to something get a life size ufo up in the air for all of them to see, then zap a beam out of it that throughs Travis back.

Then they had to get rid of all this evidence. How easy would it be to come across a life size disc shape ufo in 1975, and also cover your tracks after obtaining something like this. This theory just does not make sense at all.

If it was fake, was it some type of disc shape balloon?

If it was solid, was it made from wood, or other solid material? How did they get it in the air, and more importantly, how did they get it up there in the first place.

This theory does not make sense!

Also, debunkers can bring up the lie detector fail, but thst does not matter, because the same debunkers will saw that the lie detector test is unreliable if a witness does pass. All about making something fit their beliefs.

a reply to: mirageman

was just using tactics that are often adopted by people who tend towards the ETH. Stanton Friedman himself often says "evidence of absence is not absence of evidence" to convince people his theories are at least valid until proven otherwise.

Hence the reason I have said this time and time again. You and others think you are so different from the believers, when in fact, you are not. Both rely heavily on belief, as you have proved in your comments. This is the reason why both groups are bad for the subject, and the reason why the ufo subject is not taken seriously.

So what about the evidence? Travis Walton won a cash sum of $5000 for the "positive proof" of an extraterrestrial encounter from the National Enquirer. So the National Enquirer was convinced but does that prove he encountered extra-terrestrials to you?  

Again! You are not listening! If they wanted too, all of them could have made a lot of money if they were all in on the hoax, but they did not. If they all done it for money, then all it would take is one of them to come forward and say it was a hoax and sell their story in the media, books, talks, documentries etc But not one of them has. And it's not like they were all close, they were not! So this theory they all done it for money falls flat on its face.

What do I believe? See, this is the difference between me and your group and the believers group. I believe you do not have to join one group or the other like you do. I believe you can look at a case and keep an open mind without saying it was fake/hoax or it is 100% I wish more people done this instead of thinking they have to believe one or the other.

But it is only human to want to be part of a group, so thst will not change!

I do not know what happend that night. But there is enough in this case to keep me intrigued.

As to Lazar. What motives could he have for concocting his crazy story? 

What do you know about Zeta Reticuli 2 and Bob. Two Bobs in fact.? 

Most people who have followed this case know about Zeta Reticuli 2, bit have to ask, what does that article prove?

Yes, it would be great if we could prove his credentials, but a lot of the stuff he has said, Knapp has actually been the one to investigate the claims, and found that some are true.

He did work at Los Alamos, but why did they deny this? Why did they lie? Knapp and corbell found people who remembered lazar working there. Are these people lying?

And the next question is, how did he manage to get a job there with no qualifications? How did he know things he should not have known?

So, with the bob lazar case, there are still questions, but enough in there to keep me interested.

I also want to add again (which has been ignored) that he passed a lie detector test pretty much straight after he came out with this, and passed with flying colours.

So, let me ask you a question. Why is it, that when a witness to a ufo, At whatever fails a lie detector test, people like you will use that as evidence that they are lying.

But when they pass a test, suddenly people like you will say the test is unreliable. Can you see how the belief system is working here?

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

No! You are wrong! I said he did not make any money, I said he did not do this for money! There is a huge difference in that!

If I made a huge statement, and I was ask if I could go on a media outlet to talk about it and they will pay me money, of course i would do it, and so would you. But with lazar, instead of making loads of money, which he easily could have, he distanced himself from it, and even refused stuff that would make him a huge amount of money.

So obviously money was not a motivater. That much is clear to see!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

No! You are wrong! I said he did not make any money, I said he did not do this for money! There is a huge difference in that!

If I made a huge statement, and I was ask if I could go on a media outlet to talk about it and they will pay me money, of course i would do it, and so would you. But with lazar, instead of making loads of money, which he easily could have, he distanced himself from it, and even refused stuff that would make him a huge amount of money.

So obviously money was not a motivater. That much is clear to see!

Were these not your words?

As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it

Sorry, but what money did he make?

Also you’ve never addressed any money made by associates such as Knapp, Leer, and Lazar’s Wife.....

Just because money may not have been his main motive he has made money and there are other factors that motivate cons.

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

No! You are wrong! I said he did not make any money, I said he did not do this for money! There is a huge difference in that!

If I made a huge statement, and I was ask if I could go on a media outlet to talk about it and they will pay me money, of course i would do it, and so would you. But with lazar, instead of making loads of money, which he easily could have, he distanced himself from it, and even refused stuff that would make him a huge amount of money.

So obviously money was not a motivater. That much is clear to see!

Were these not your words?

As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it

Sorry, but what money did he make?

Also you’ve never addressed any money made by associates such as Knapp, Leer, and Lazar’s Wife.....

Just because money may not have been his main motive he has made money and there are other factors that motivate cons.

Jesus! Like talking to a brick wall! It is obvious that money was not a motivater becausevtime and time again he passed on the opportunity to make a lot of money! I do not know how clearer I can make it to you!

As for Knapp and the others, I do not know how much money they made from the lazar story, do you? If not, it's not good throwing accusations and assumptions you know nothing about!

All we know is it is very obvious that lazar was not money motivated, as I have proven in this thread!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

No! You are wrong! I said he did not make any money, I said he did not do this for money! There is a huge difference in that!

If I made a huge statement, and I was ask if I could go on a media outlet to talk about it and they will pay me money, of course i would do it, and so would you. But with lazar, instead of making loads of money, which he easily could have, he distanced himself from it, and even refused stuff that would make him a huge amount of money.

So obviously money was not a motivater. That much is clear to see!

Were these not your words?

As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it

Sorry, but what money did he make?

Also you’ve never addressed any money made by associates such as Knapp, Leer, and Lazar’s Wife.....

Just because money may not have been his main motive he has made money and there are other factors that motivate cons.

Jesus! Like talking to a brick wall! It is obvious that money was not a motivater becausevtime and time again he passed on the opportunity to make a lot of money! I do not know how clearer I can make it to you!

As for Knapp and the others, I do not know how much money they made from the lazar story, do you? If not, it's not good throwing accusations and assumptions you know nothing about!

All we know is it is very obvious that lazar was not money motivated, as I have proven in this thread!

Think what you want I’ve brought more proof to the table than you have and am not throwing any accusations I’m just saying that you don’t know that they haven’t profited. Also how about when Lazar was attempting to sell an energy alternative he was going to sell his hydrogen hydride conversion kits but got shut down. Once again away were his noteriety was an avenue for profit that fell through.
www.auricmedia.net...

I’m done arguing about this.

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: mirageman

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story? 

Can you prove they were? Are they writing books and doing tons of interviews about it? As far as I know they have normal jobs with normals lives, and pretty much moved on from it. See, you Are using assumptions to fit your belief.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen? 

lol seriously! That is such a week argument! Again assumptions to fit your belief. Why would they want to do that? Did they all have a fascination with ufos, even Dallas, thst they are happy for Travis to sit back and be the only one to make money from it? Mskes no sense what so ever. Stop filling the gaps with your own beliefs.

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story

Er, because there is no evidence that he did. Can you find any evidence that he did. I mean, you are all for evidence aren't you, so where is it. We have to go with what we know, and that tells us he did not make mega bucks, he did not want the attention. Even the documentary money he gave away to a good cause. He is not very good at making money from this is he!

So all you have done is made assumptions to fit your own beliefs. Well done!

Did you not see that he made $5 or 6k for an interview with Nippon TV in 1990?

Are you being serious! LOL You think someone who made this story up for money, is going to stop after making 5k or 6k? How the hell does that make any sense? They paid him to go on that show, so what. He also turned down loads of money in more interviews, talks, conferences etc So if he made all this up to get money, he did not do a very good job at it!

You’ve claimed he made no money and asked for proof that he made any, stop moving the goal post. Also $6k in ‘90 is roughly $12k in today’s dollar, for a 4 hour interview $3k an hour isn’t anything to sneeze at.

No! You are wrong! I said he did not make any money, I said he did not do this for money! There is a huge difference in that!

If I made a huge statement, and I was ask if I could go on a media outlet to talk about it and they will pay me money, of course i would do it, and so would you. But with lazar, instead of making loads of money, which he easily could have, he distanced himself from it, and even refused stuff that would make him a huge amount of money.

So obviously money was not a motivater. That much is clear to see!

Were these not your words?

As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it

Sorry, but what money did he make?

Also you’ve never addressed any money made by associates such as Knapp, Leer, and Lazar’s Wife.....

Just because money may not have been his main motive he has made money and there are other factors that motivate cons.

Jesus! Like talking to a brick wall! It is obvious that money was not a motivater becausevtime and time again he passed on the opportunity to make a lot of money! I do not know how clearer I can make it to you!

As for Knapp and the others, I do not know how much money they made from the lazar story, do you? If not, it's not good throwing accusations and assumptions you know nothing about!

All we know is it is very obvious that lazar was not money motivated, as I have proven in this thread!

Think what you want I’ve brought more proof to the table than you have and am not throwing any accusations I’m just saying that you don’t know that they haven’t profited. Also how about when Lazar was attempting to sell an energy alternative he was going to sell his hydrogen hydride conversion kits but got shut down. Once again away were his noteriety was an avenue for profit that fell through.
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I’m done arguing about this.

My God! The guy is entitled to make money from his own businesses! Seriously! What are you saying!? You think people lime bob are different to everyone else. Do you think he does not have bills to pay, rent, medical insurance etc Do you think he has a money tree in his garden so he can grab money from it whenever he needs too.

Come back down to reality fella! This is the real world! Not a world full of money tress!


You have not brought any proof at all thst Bob made this all up for money! Not one bit of evidence! What you have brought up I have addressed very easily!

You are letting belief get in the way of your thinking! Which is a shame

One wanted to believe Lazar but he more than fluffed his resume up. He extremely distorted his history. Why did he do this? Has anyone heard his answer?
I think he says he was sheep-dipped… his records were erased.

Stanton Friedman, a prominent ufologist, was able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles, at the same time as he was supposedly attending MIT in Massachusetts. He further determined that Lazar had graduated from high school in the bottom third of his class, and that the only science course he took was chemistry.[14] He believes that this would almost certainly have excluded Lazar from MIT, as MIT usually only takes from the top percentiles, and only those who have taken many science courses.[7] Friedman believes that Lazar lied about attending MIT and Caltech. No professors remembered Lazar, he was not in any yearbooks, nor were there records of him attending, and he could not remember the year he obtained his masters. He was also not a member of any professional bodies. MIT has confirmed that there is no way to expunge someone from their records.[14]

So fine, Corbel says even if he did lie its irrelevant to the fact he worked at Los Alamos and Area 51.

Lazar's name does appear in a Los Alamos National Lab telephone directory; however, this lists both employees and contractors, and Stanton Friedman claims that Lazar actually worked as a technician for Kirk Meyer, an outside contractor.[7]

Corbell claims he was greeted at Los Alamos when he went there indicating they knew him well.

Lets deal with this:

I could go to 10’s of major corporations I worked at for long periods of time as a consultant and they would know me well, such as Exxon, Merck, Time & Life, Wall Street Journal but I wasn’t a scientist or a writer.

There are records of me working at Bell Labs in Murray Hill NJ as a consultant where some of the top scientists in the world work and I could go around saying, I worked as a top scientist. But I’d be lying since I was only an It technician but there are records of me there.

This is what he did obviously.

Lazar obviously wanted to make up a rich history to bulk up his story otherwise the idea of area 51 hiring a low-level contractor to work on a UFO is ridiculous.

He says his history was erased. Then think about that. All you guys who graduated from any educational institution knows YOU GET A DIPLOMA. Where’s his diplomas from MIT and Caltech, two of the most prestigious schools in the world. And no one remembers him from there not even the teachers.

So it’s clear he lied and was only a contractor at Los Alamos


So the question is. Would the government agency from Area 51 hire a low-level contractor with no history of being a scientist work to re-engineer a UFO from outer space?


I'll answer that...Hell no!


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Look… its understandable people want to believe. But when someone lies blatantly about one very important aspect of their whistleblowing; then it’s difficult to believe the crux of the story surrounding the UFO/ alien aspect to the story.
Lazar fails miserably. Even If he wanted to make his story credible and admit he lied--it wouldn't help him. Let's say he says okay I lied, but I lied only to get people to believe me.

But Lazar can’t even do that since if he didn’t have such a history NO ONE WOULD HIRE HIM at Los Alamos or area 51 but as a janitor or low-level contractor.

a reply to: Jay-morris

For someone who proclaims a neutral position on these stories you sure expend a lot of energy into at preserving the Lazar case and the Walton case. You appear to be making the case for them being truthful in their stories. When in fact the evidence isn't good.

Your main thesis is neither Lazar or Walton did it for the money? As you so eloquently put yourself

You said he done it for money, I proved you wrong becsuse obviously he did not.

But it's not actually obvious because Travis has long had a book out called the Walton Experience and a new one called
Fire in the Sky which is yours for $30. Bargain!

So it's been shown that Walton initially profited from his endeavours and Lazar (a man who went bankrupt in 1987 to the tune of $270k), worked his way into Edward Teller's thoughts and was eventually recruited by Bigelow.

The truth is that there is little proof anything Walton or Lazar claimed happened actually did. But you are free to believe in their stories and expend time defending them as you see fit.

a reply to: mirageman

For someone who proclaims a neutral position on these stories you sure expend a lot of energy into at preserving the Lazar case and the Walton case. You appear to be making the case for them being truthful in their stories. When in fact the evidence isn't good. 

Your main thesis is neither Lazar or Walton did it for the money? As you so eloquently put yourself

You are not listening to me! I have not once said that they are all 100% telling the truth. I have not once said that this is 100% proof of ET visiting earth, but there you go with the beliefs again. You have to be in one group or the other with you guys, no inbetween. It is absolutly rediculus.

Both these cases interest me. There are things against them, but also things for them. Until they are proven 100% hoaxes, or I am satisfied they are, then I shall keep an open mind on them.

But it's not actually obvious because Travis has long had a book out called the Walton Experience and a new one called 
Fire in the Sky which is yours for $30. Bargain! 

So it's been shown that Walton initially profited from his endeavours and Lazar (a man who went bankrupt in 1987 to the tune of $270k), worked his way into Edward Teller's thoughts and was eventually recruited by Bigelow. 

The truth is that there is little proof anything Walton or Lazar claimed happened actually did. But you are free to believe in their stories and expend time defending them as you see fit.

You are not listening! It is getting embarrassing now! I never once said that Travis did not make money from this! Did you actually read my other posts!

I mentioned the other crew members. I am not going to bother repeating the same thing again. Go back and read my posts.

a reply to: mirageman

MM, in the Glenn Campbell article you linked (thanks not read it before)
one of the theories is that Bigelow wiped his 275K bankruptcy. Any evidence of that, or did he end up gong through with being bankrupt?

Also it says that Lazar claimed in 97 that the Govt took back his 115, bit in the movie it implies he still has it, Did his story change ?