Stanton Friedman,"Bob (Lazaar) Lied Deliberately" and Jeremy Corbell Acts Like A "Teenage Girl"

originally posted by: SailorJerry
Stanton Friedman is a charlatan of the highest order, this has been known for decades.

The guy tears down anyone he fears that might make money on the whole thing because he wants to be the biggest name in the room, with the deepest pockets

Its his ego and money , not truth.

What a load of rubbish! Love him or hate him, he is very passionate about the subject. It's been known for decades that stanton is a charlatan of the highest order? lol Ok!

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
Here's a video clip from the 2015 International UFO Congress, where Stanton Friedman and Jeremy Corbell debate Bob Lazar's claims of having back-engineered alien spacecraft. It's my opinion, after watching Corbell's over rated, Hunt For The Skinwalker movie and viewing him on various TV shows, that he's nothing more than a narcissistic, publicity seeking director. I realize there are many people, including members of ATS, who have a lovefest with this guy, but I don't.

In this video clip, you'll see Corbell going toe to toe with Stanton Friedman, who's a retired nuclear physicist and famed professional ufologist. Stanton believes that visits to planet Earth by alien spacecraft are real, but doubts Bob Lazaar's story, especially his credentials, which he states in this video clip. Like one commentator on this video clip stated, Corbell acts like an offended, emotional "teenage girl in the middle of an argument." Perhaps it's because Corbell is a friend of Bob Lazaar, and spent "years,years and years investigating his case." My feeling is, it's because he was protecting the validity of Lazaar's story for a future documentary project (Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers), which is currently rated a 5.6/10 on IMDb.

Sorry, but I like stanton, and I liked the lazar documentary, and I believe that lazar is not lying in my opinion, and many others. Thsts not to say I instantly believe he saw at craft because I would want evidence for that, but because you do not like Corbell, is being like that because he believes Lazar, what's wrong with that?

And what's the point of point the imdb score on the documentary, as if that somehow proves your point?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Sorry, but I like stanton,

Just because you like him doesnt make what I said about him any less true.

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: Jay-morris

Sorry, but I like stanton,

Just because you like him doesnt make what I said about him any less true.

Ok, tell me how stan is known as a charlatan, and has been for decades? If it's true, then tell us?

a reply to: mirageman

Don't forget 'Women In Sunglasses' - a project conceived whilst banged up in a Czech jail after being stiched up by the Mafia...

Models poured into the party, tearing off designer blouses and rolling on Smashbox lipsticks as Corbell snapped away with a vintage Polaroid camera – the only rule? They all wore sunglasses!

Women In Sunglasses


I admire the wilful art-house approach to Corbell's 'Extraordinary Beliefs' documentaries, even if there is indeed a great deal of eccentric 'padding' that, if removed, would leave his films as tight, compact 30-minute products. But that would suck out most of their charm and the essence that makes them so distinct from any number of bellowing, hyperbolic-but-vacant YouTube efforts.

From the UFO-related ones I've seen (Immaculate Deception (John Lear), Patient 17, Hunt For The Skinwalker, Bob Lazar), I still sense Corbell keeping a 'distance' from his subjects, ie not jumping to any conclusions of his own, at least not within the films themselves. He can be wild and hippy, but it's fascinating to see how he'll develop.

The raid on Lazar's 'shop' by TPTB during the making of the documentary (only the second raid in two decades IIRC) is probably the most fascinating element of all his Alien/UFO films to date, especially since the authorities made it known they were aware of Corbell's ongoing interviews. Corbell milked it for all it was worth, but it was probably the best evidence of Lazar's disputed past employment and supposed retention of Element 115 material.

On the other hand, it really could have been a coincidental raid based on potentially dangerous items that Lazar had allegedly been selling - ie the actual excuse used by TPTB.

We are invited to suspect the former, of course. Where's the fun in the latter?

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: Jay-morris

Sorry, but I like stanton,

Just because you like him doesnt make what I said about him any less true.

Was that too hard for you to tell me how stanton is a known charlatan? Another example of people who think something, and straight away thinking that everyone must think the same as you.

It's called ignorance and arragonce!

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Sounds like he just wants to put bob down a peg. They fighting for status. Bob is humble and most believable person alongside john lear. Imo

Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

That was like watching a Real Housewives of Area 51 reunion fight episode.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

They're both full of #e...
I do believe that Stanton has been fed disinformation that he believes is real.
Lazar is just a fraud.

I could be wrong and they're both frauds.

originally posted by: mirageman
It wasn't always this way.

That artsy craftsy style is sometimes a cover up for not knowing what you are doing and then explaining it with art magazine styled dialog BS.

Its easy to ridicule when nobody here has done a damn thing for ufology.

So easy to point the finger.

He is doing something....you people are doing nothing.
Big difference.

Yay...go internet!!

originally posted by: DrumsRfun
He is doing something....you people are doing nothing.
Big difference.

Yes, he's potentially spreading lies to further his own interests.
I would argue that not doing that is better.

But yes, there's a BIG difference.

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

originally posted by: Jay-morris
Why did lazar do it?

For the same reason the "FIre in the Sky" guy did it.
He failed a gameshow lie detector and still gets cheques.

There's always the slightest possibility that fame and money is a motivator.
We wouldn't care who any of these guys were if they worked at a carwash.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

Knapp has done the research for ufology imo.

There are people here on ATS like Mirageman that may not have done seksi camera angles on film, but has done a shiz load for dialogue and research on some of the biggest cases.
Just look at the Rendlesham thread, so to answer you, lots has been done by ATSers, just in different media right here on the internet weeeeeee. Don't knock some of the work done on the web by people, we have debunked some pretty big piles of crap that were piled in to this genre.

All that said I quite enjoyed the Lazar movie. Doesn't mean I have to believe it all. I think Corbell could do with a tiny bit of tweaking for public speaking, I can see why he rubs people the wrong way, but that's neither here nor there for me personally. If he is able to present something unequivocal in proving the story, which so far he has not, he was rehashing the Gkanpp researched story on film media, the same story way ATSers have rehashed in thread after thread after thread via online medium. Not much difference imo, and film certainly isn't more valid for research and doesn't mean he has done more more for UFOLogy than one person here who debunked a fake autopsy or alien interview.

The truth is up to Lazar to cough up the goods, which for me would be to produce the stable element 115 he supposedly took from a Govt facility.
Ya make grand claims, you can't expect people to not stand up and say prove it.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Jay-morris
Why did lazar do it?

For the same reason the "FIre in the Sky" guy did it.
He failed a gameshow lie detector and still gets cheques.

There's always the slightest possibility that fame and money is a motivator.
We wouldn't care who any of these guys were if they worked at a carwash.

I was hoping you would say that lol He has made no money from this. In fact, the money he got from the documentary he gave to a good cause. So we know he did not do it for money. You need to do some research!

How about attention? Well, he did not gain attention because as soon as it came out, he vanished from the limelight and just tried to live his life. In fact, he hates the fact that he came out with this.

So, we know he did not do it for money, and we know he did not do it for attention. Please do research on bob lazar begore you make such comments.

As for Travis Walton, I am sure you have done no research on that too

originally posted by: DrumsRfun
Its easy to ridicule when nobody here has done a damn thing for ufology.

So easy to point the finger.

He is doing something....you people are doing nothing.
Big difference.

Yay...go internet!!

Actually I have explored the San Luis valley, Dulce, and all over the 4 corners and talked to many people on the Rez and pueblos. And made a documentary of my own looking for explanations of the phenomenon. It's much bigger than UFO.

Currently I'm writing a feature length screenplay about an abduction experience of a friend of mine on the REZ.
And I just worked on this TV show....SAG/AFTRA and IATSE.... Union proud, Union STrong!!

www.imdb.com...



What are you doing?

Yay....go internet!!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

He hasn’t gained any wealth or notoriety? Good story to pick up women? There are plenty of possibilities, then again maybe picking up women isn’t such a big motivator seeing as he’s a fan of prostitutes.

ETA I see your previous post and just because he didn’t make money directly off this doc he still is gaining notoriety for proceeds being donated in his name. Also I’m sure that his business has not been harmed by these claims, also there was the previous lazar tapes and other avenues for him to profit. Also don’t know that his wife didn’t get paid for being in the doc and thus him being paid indirectly.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Ahh Travis Walton!! That's the guy.
I've researched it all, they all seem to be conmen.
His gameshow answer isn't exactly common knowledge, that's gotta show I've done a little research.

If Bob Lazar wanted to live a life of anonymity he could have easily done so.
But the fact remains that we both know his name.