Michael Flynn sentencing delayed as judge tells ex-Trump official: 'You sold your country out'

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: shooterbrody

No President has been successfully impeached, though President Trump has broken a lot of precedents thus far.

I don't think removal from office is likely.

We are 22 months from the next election. The most likely scenario that would result in Trump leaving office is resignation.

President Trump barely won the last election by 70k votes spread over 3 states.

If the Special Counsel report is damning and it becomes crystal clear that President Trump is going to lose and take the Senate with him, then:

The GOP might threaten impeachment.
GOP Donors will shun the President.
The GOP will run a primary competitor.

Or some combination of the above driving President Trump to withdraw before 2020.

The Stock Market is now down for the year and last week was the worst week since the financial crisis.
The Government is in Shutdown.
Many conservatives are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the Presidents defense of Dictators and attacks on our allies.
The GOP are unusually vulnerable in the Senate in 2020.

The GOP have a lot to lose by sticking with the President and less and less to gain as 2020 draws near.

Just my opinion based on the landscape and I expect you to disagree.

So if he will not be removed from office then muellers investigation is no more than a bs fishing expedition as many here claimed?
Interesting to hear that now.
Was breaking all that "protocol" and spying on its political opponents worth it for the former administration and hilary's campaign?
Dont think for a second if trump is not taken down the backlash from the attempt wont be hung around obama and the dnc.
Yeah people will run to vote for a party that cheered that bs on wont they ?
Or you have dems that didn't get involved in that bs?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Sillyolme

You'd better have a bigger fish than yourself to offer them. LOL
Over simplify the whole thing and pretend to understand. How funny.

Everything about Flynn happen long before being with Trump, all the way back to 2014.

Flynn lied to the VP and others about his conversations with Russia and Turkey, and he was our national security adviser for a total of 24 day.... 24 DAYS....after his lies were determine.

So what do you think he has as a big fish...lol

Your two statements contradict one another?

The Special Counsel is tasked with examining the 2016 Trump Campaign and it's ties with the Russian Government, so the 24 days after President Trump was inaugurated is not the window of time being examined.

General Flynn lied about conversations he had during the campaign and transition.

August 2015: Flynn meets, briefs Trump ahead of Republican primary debate
Dec. 10, 2015: Flynn dines with Vladimir Putin at RT gala in Moscow
Feb. 26, 2016: Flynn begins acting as an adviser to Trump
January 2017: President Trump is inaugurated.

I believe that is 18 months he worked with the Trump Campaign.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: shooterbrody

No President has been successfully impeached, though President Trump has broken a lot of precedents thus far.

I don't think removal from office is likely.

We are 22 months from the next election. The most likely scenario that would result in Trump leaving office is resignation.

President Trump barely won the last election by 70k votes spread over 3 states.

If the Special Counsel report is damning and it becomes crystal clear that President Trump is going to lose and take the Senate with him, then:

The GOP might threaten impeachment.
GOP Donors will shun the President.
The GOP will run a primary competitor.

Or some combination of the above driving President Trump to withdraw before 2020.

The Stock Market is now down for the year and last week was the worst week since the financial crisis.
The Government is in Shutdown.
Many conservatives are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the Presidents defense of Dictators and attacks on our allies.
The GOP are unusually vulnerable in the Senate in 2020.

The GOP have a lot to lose by sticking with the President and less and less to gain as 2020 draws near.

Just my opinion based on the landscape and I expect you to disagree.

So if he will not be removed from office then muellers investigation is no more than a bs fishing expedition as many here claimed?

Your seem to have a malformed view of reality that leads to this conclusion.

The Special Counsel's mission and mandate is not, nor never has been, to "remove from office:?

The Mandate is to investigate, discover and articulate any evidence of illicit contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russia and prosecute any crimes uncovered in the course of that investigation.

Whether or not President Trump is removed from office has never been up to the Special Counsel's office?

I am confused why you would think that was the mandate of the Special Counsel?

Are you aware of how impeachment proceedings work?

originally posted by: shooterbrody

Was breaking all that "protocol" and spying on its political opponents worth it for the former administration and hilary's campaign?

The FBI counter-intelligence division rightly opened an investigation into covert contacts between a President's campaign and agents of Russia.

That was not the Clinton Campaign. President Obama was not running for re-election, so it certainly was not the Obama Campaign.
It was very clearly the FBI.
It began before the Dossier was even researched, let alone released to the press, which actually after the election.

Dont think for a second if trump is not taken down the backlash from the attempt wont be hung around obama and the dnc.

? That makes no sense.
Anything illegal or illicit that happened is the responsibility of the people that did those things.

Not sure why the DNC would be blamed for the Trump Campaign's potential illegal activity or the Special Counsels investigation etc?

The Democrats were not in power when the Special Counsel was appointed. President Obama was not President. The GOP had majorities in all branches of government.

Even assuming you think legitimate investigations are something to be blamed on somebody, not sure how you blame DNC, Hillary Clinton and President Obama for the Special Counsel investigation begun at the direction of a GOP congress?

originally posted by: Extorris


August 2015: Flynn meets, briefs Trump ahead of Republican primary debate
Dec. 10, 2015: Flynn dines with Vladimir Putin at RT gala in Moscow
Feb. 26, 2016: Flynn begins acting as an adviser to Trump
January 2017: President Trump is inaugurated.

I believe that is 18 months he worked with the Trump Campaign.

And he lied to the VP directly about it all and was duly fired over it within 24 days. "Worked with" is rather weak for a good chunk of that 18 months... Even if we started at March 2016 he was one of most likely 100 "advisors"

originally posted by: Extorris

Even assuming you think legitimate investigations are something to be blamed on somebody, not sure how you blame DNC, Hillary Clinton and President Obama for the Special Counsel investigation begun at the direction of a GOP congress?

Some investigations were legitimate based on intelligence gathering info, some investigations the initial info was provided and paid for by the DNC/Hillary and lead by FBI leaders who have been since fired after internal investigations.

No matter what anyone thinks a good chunk of what has been going on coming up on two years now was tainted by the involvement of DNC/Hillary and Obama having a good hold on the FBI to the point that some there in leadership positions were on board to help Hillary win, just as Obama wanted to see her win.

The other side of all this is just the massive levels that these investigations have gone... It is unprecedented and just like the latest SC selections have been under unprecedented accusations, scrutiny, investigation so on and so on...All I can say is when a dem gets in office good luck on that as they get the same treatment now that this new order has been established.

a reply to: Extorris

Lol
Why was Mueller invited?

Your description is hilaryious

You can pretend we all forgot or weren't paying attention all you like

a reply to: shooterbrody

He was in no position to tell the Russians not to sweat the sanctions because the incoming president was going to undo them.
He was in essence undercutting the then president of the United States who had just placed the sanctions because of Russia's interference with the elections.
How do you reconcile that as doing his job? His job wasnt to undercut President Obama.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Try to sell that the incoming administration cant speak to other governments elsewhere.

Your description of a "hatch act" violation is glorious.
Perhaps the fbi should have charged such.

The whole investigation is a sham.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Was breaking all that "protocol" and spying on its political opponents worth it for the former administration and hilary's campaign?

Stupid question since that never happened.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Was breaking all that "protocol" and spying on its political opponents worth it for the former administration and hilary's campaign?

Stupid question since that never happened.

Ok Ostrich lady
What ever you say
How did the contents of a legal conversation of an American citizen end up in the hands of the fbi again ?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Why too hard for you to grasp?

He was wrong.... thats why he got in trouble..
You can ignore all that if you like but reality is that the man was arrested and charged with a crime .... several crimes....
oh how did that happen if what he was doing was so legal?
What a joke... Lets just ignore what happened and pretend.
And I'm sure ostrich lady means something where you are from but it means nothing to me.... if it was supposed to be an insult as I assume it was then you failed...

a reply to: shooterbrody

You refuse to listen don't you?

He was caught.... while they were listening to Kisliak which was perfectly legal... and when they heard him committing a crime they went to the president who pretty much said who cares and kept him in the position until there was a public uproar then he fired him for lying to Pence...
Just knock it off. You're not doing yourself any favors playing stupid... or pretending that things that happened didint and that things that didnt happen did. You have it all backwards and have this whole time.

a reply to: Sillyolme

What crime?
Violating the hatch act?
That's a joke
They illegally spied on a member of the incoming administration with an opposing political view and perhaps differing ways of dealing with foreign policy.
Not a crime.

It's why Mueller wont charge flynn with it.
It's why flynn will also eventually walk.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Was breaking all that "protocol" and spying on its political opponents worth it for the former administration and hilary's campaign?

Stupid question since that never happened.

How did the contents of a legal conversation of an American citizen end up in the hands of the fbi again ?

Because he was speaking to the Chief Russian Agent/Ambassador in the USA, making promises of policy, and lied about it to the FBI and Vice President of the United States. That is what Foreign Agents do, which by the way he turned to be since he was also covertly working as an unregistered agent of Turkey. Lord knows what else was redacted from that plea-agreement.

NSA/CIA and FBI would have been grossly negligent for not looking close at General Flynn.
They also would have been grossly negligent in not finding out what "American Citizen" was able to promise Russia American policy and have Russia do as asked and publicly not retaliate with diplomatic sanctions in response.
They also would have been grossly negligent to not tell the President and Vice President of the Untied States that their Chief National Security Advisor was secretly/covertly promising the Russians things and lying to them about it.

On what planet do you believe none of that warranted investigation?

I honestly feel bad for you that you feel so dedicated to a Propaganda theme that you have to play stupid and disagree with the plain reality above.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Sillyolme

What crime?
Violating the hatch act?
That's a joke
They illegally spied on a member of the incoming administration with an opposing political view and perhaps differing ways of dealing with foreign policy.
Not a crime.

It's why Mueller wont charge flynn with it.
It's why flynn will also eventually walk.

Good luck and Merry Christmas.

a reply to: Extorris

The NSA CIA fbi is allowed to set foreign policy ?
I disagree.
Investigation?
Sure
Where is the warrant?
Where are the charges?
You know the things that come with a real investigation and not the sham we have witnessed?

a reply to: Extorris

Merry Christmas to you!

As i understand it ...Flynn lied to FBI about meeting with someone (not a crime).

Not fighting the charge of lying about a legal meeting is sort of like taking a plea bargin...pleading guilty to get the govt off your back...save future charges, save lawyer fees...

Its like lied to the FBI about being at the ballgame Saturday with his buddies (when he was really at his girlfriend house all day). Not a crime to be with his GF, but he doesnt want wife to know that, so he lies to FBI too. Charade collapes.

He was trying to make money in some back channel deal and help Trump admin at same time...easy snag for those believing or promoting Russian collusion story.

The FBI initiated questioning due to Flynn lying to the VP...he was being monitored when he lied to VP.

Need glass of wine...




a reply to: tadaman

a reply to: shooterbrody

The crimes he was indicted for and the crimes that Mueller can still charge him with if he doesnt cooperate.
But he did cooperate and he sang like a bird and gave Mueller everything he had...
Cohen is doing the same.

Manafort thought he could fake it.... but he couldnt.