Anti-Trump dossier author was hired to help Hillary challenge 2016 election results

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: dawnstar

Fruit of the poisonous tree.

I am so far beyond partisanship it isn't even funny.

I want to see the dirty Repubs locked up right along side of the dirty Dems

No one is getting locked up. Trump said he's drain the swamp, but even he isn't enough to do it.

Our politicians are openly corrupt and the MILITARY is doing NOTHING about IT!

originally posted by: Tempter

Our politicians are openly corrupt and the MILITARY is doing NOTHING about IT!

Not according to Q.

Will be interesting to see if Q is true or if it's all BS.

a reply to: chr0naut

The sad part about that entire thread is that thy're both coming at the same thing from different angles and both think they're right (and are). It's really hilarious that he has to admit that the bolsheviks were 'true' socialists. The bolsheviks were just as evil as the nazi's, if less effective at killing their political enemies.

In truth, the nazi's used socialism to gain power and implemented fascism.
The bolshevics used socialism to gain power and implement similar atrocities.

I guess the best part, imo, is that he (mike) doesn't even recognize how stupid he is. I mean, he's making this long rant as though it disproves that the nazi's were socialists in a vindicating way for socialism while indicting socialism through the bolsheviks. This is what happens when you call people nazi's who are not nazi's then get mad when they flip it back around on you.

ETA:
Thank god that man is no longer educating children. Not that he's not knowledgeable, he is. However, he is extremely political. He's an indoctrination fiend.

Man, when Trump is forced out of office you guys are going to need to be put on suicide watch.

You know what this 'news' is? It's propaganda to convince yourself that Trump really isn't such a bad guy. It's the epitome of fake news that you're using to delude you self.

a reply to: links234


links234
American Socialist

nuff said

a reply to: Aallanon

I can't wait to give you free health care and a higher minimum wage. You know what? I think I'll throw in some free college for the youngsters in your family too.


OOOoooooOOOOooooOO....socialism!

a reply to: links234

It's propaganda that steele admitted to the court that he was hired to cast illegitimacy on the election? I'm not sure you know what propaganda is.

When trump is re-elected there won't be enough people who care to do suicide watch for you guys. That's how we'll win the civil war. /s

a reply to: links234

I can't wait to give you tax payer funded health care and a higher unemployment. You know what? I think I'll throw in some tax payer funded college for the youngsters in your family too.

FTFY

Socialists are so generous with other people's money.

Could we get soda in the drinking fountains, too?

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: Aallanon

I can't wait to give you free health care and a higher minimum wage. You know what? I think I'll throw in some free college for the youngsters in your family too.


OOOoooooOOOOooooOO....socialism!

OOOoooooOOOOooooOO....sounds like someone has NO idea what socialism is.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: RazorV66
Trump won on a technicality?....

The technicality of winning the most states and, thus, the most electoral votes. This only seems to be a problem when folks hate the individual who won.

States don't vote.

You are being conned and owned by corporate entities. Your individualism is being invalidated and you call me a leftist!

States DO vote. That's what the electoral college vote IS.

originally posted by: chr0naut
We've all gotten way off-topic.

I'm actually waiting for Propagandalf's links to who funded the Steele dossier. That seems really pertinent to the topic.

Why wait?

This was reported over a year ago. Hillary Clinton and her money washing
DNC funded the Dossier so called "research".

According to The Washington Post, both entities funded the effort through October 2016. Fusion GPS conducted the research on behalf of the campaign and its counsel, Marc Elias. Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, authored the dossier.

www.thedailybeast.com...

Everyone knows this is The Clintons and The DNC.

What we don't know fully is why the FBI went along hook jawed
with the Crime Family to try and fix a U.S. election!

But our best guess reading between the lines of James Comey
and Peter Strzok is that they have been doing this same thing
since FDR.

Crooked and Perverted Justice.

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: Aallanon

I can't wait to give you free health care and a higher minimum wage. You know what? I think I'll throw in some free college for the youngsters in your family too.


OOOoooooOOOOooooOO....socialism!

sounds awesome! how will it be funded?

originally posted by: Aallanon
New info here,
www.washingtontimes.com...

I am gonna have to ask "how does the crow taste?

British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.
He said the law firm Perkins Coie wanted to be in a position to contest the results based on evidence he unearthed on the Trump campaign conspiring with Moscow on election interference. His scenario is contained in a sealed Aug. 2 declaration in a defamation law suit brought by three Russian bankers in London.
The trio’s American attorneys filed his answers Tuesday in a libel lawsuit in Washington against the investigative firm Fusion GPS, which handled the former British intelligence officer.

This is redemption for many Trump followers and should only re strengthen their support.

In an answer to interrogatories, Mr. Steele wrote: “Fusion’s immediate client was law firm Perkins Coie. It engaged Fusion to obtain information necessary for Perkins Coie LLP to provide legal advice on the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election.

Exactly as was suspected and theorized all along

The big question is,

How did the FBI not know this?

All this proves is that he was hired to find out and give evidence that Trump was guilty of some crimes. It does not mean he fabricated anything. It could be that there WAS information that showed there was Russian involvement and Christopher Steele was either the person who found it, or he was hired to corroborate what was suspected. Which is the exact same as the Police investigating a drug dealer based on a tip off and putting together a case to prosecute. It doesn't mean there was fabrication going on. Think of this in human behaviour terms - why would a person who has works in information to the degree Christopher Steele has, fabricate information for a quick pay cheque? What happens next? Trump is investigated, found not guilty, Christopher Steele is a public laughing stock and is now out of business. All for a quick cheque. How likely is that? I'd say that is pretty unlikely. I would say it is far more likely that in certain circles Trump was known to be dodgy, Democrats hired someone to find out information relating to Trumps business dealings, including with Russia, and Christopher Steele found things which were put into his report. Just because Democrats WANTED to find dirt on Trump does not mean dirt wasn't then found. Or, you have to believe that Trump is a completely upright businessman and not a dodgy character at all. Lets be real about this, if there is a business opportunity for Trump he will take it. No questions asked. It is in his nature. That means he is susceptible to both greed and blackmail.

a reply to: bluesilver

According to comey, the aim of russia was not to influence the election, but to cause people to doubt our election system was free and fair. Hillary hired a law firm who hired christopher steele to go to russia and come up with a reason why our election system should have a shadow cast over it if trump won.

I really can't make it any more simple than that. If you don't understand what that means, let me know.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: bluesilver

According to comey, the aim of russia was not to influence the election, but to cause people to doubt our election system was free and fair. Hillary hired a law firm who hired christopher steele to go to russia and come up with a reason why our election system should have a shadow cast over it if trump won.

I really can't make it any more simple than that. If you don't understand what that means, let me know.

I think we both know that influencing an election can be done in many ways, yes by people doubting an election system but also by spreading disinformation / lies about individuals. Russia quite possibly did both. Unless you think their bots etc were harmless and didn't work? I think we both know that they would have a multi prong attack to try and gain as much traction as possible in peoples minds and they did that by creating bots etc which created stories/responses which pushed Trump and diminished Hillary. What you think of Hillary is actually totally unimportant - the important bit is that you had a country trying to influence an election to get 'their' man into power. And as for saying "to come up with a reason" I could easily replace that with "investigate whether there is truth in the rumours" because we all know that Trump is quite likely to have some dodgy dealings all over this world and we also know that he's not the most... politically astute... person in the world and could easily find himself trapped by some deal or situation that comes back to bite him and if Putin is the person doing the biting..well..that has serious implications.

And perhaps, with Hillary hiring Christopher Steele it was also probably about finding out just how deeply their tentacles reached i.e.: did Donald Trump or anyone from his inner circle either use information given to him from Russia and did Russia have any information over Donald Trump which would make him a vulnerable. Those could well have been the reasons why CS was tasked with finding out what was going on.

originally posted by: Aallanon
New info here,
www.washingtontimes.com...

I am gonna have to ask "how does the crow taste?

British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.
He said the law firm Perkins Coie wanted to be in a position to contest the results based on evidence he unearthed on the Trump campaign conspiring with Moscow on election interference. His scenario is contained in a sealed Aug. 2 declaration in a defamation law suit brought by three Russian bankers in London.
The trio’s American attorneys filed his answers Tuesday in a libel lawsuit in Washington against the investigative firm Fusion GPS, which handled the former British intelligence officer.

This is redemption for many Trump followers and should only re strengthen their support.

In an answer to interrogatories, Mr. Steele wrote: “Fusion’s immediate client was law firm Perkins Coie. It engaged Fusion to obtain information necessary for Perkins Coie LLP to provide legal advice on the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election.

Exactly as was suspected and theorized all along

The big question is,

How did the FBI not know this?

They knew.
They just don't care. They only prosecute their political rivals. An official government sanctioned goon squad.

a reply to: network dude

Shockingly we fund government programs through taxation. I know, I know...it's kind of a difficult concept to grasp. It took me a few seconds to figure it out myself, so don't feel bad!

Even under the worst-case scenario Medicare for All would save $2 trillion

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: links234

It's propaganda that steele admitted to the court that he was hired to cast illegitimacy on the election?

I don't question the selective excerpt from a sealed questionnaire that the presently indicted Internet Research Agency released through it's attorneys.

I am curious what is seen as new news in that release?

We already knew the Perkins Coie retained Fusion GPS who retained Christopher Steele to conduct opposition research.

We obviously know that any foreign state operation to campaign for a candidate in a US Presidential election is illegal. Appropriate indictments have been issued for those Russian individuals and entities. We also know it would be illegal for any US campaign members to work with or knowingly accept help from a foreign government in US Presidential elections.

How does the following say anything that is not already known?

“Fusion’s immediate client was law firm Perkins Coie. It engaged Fusion to obtain information necessary for Perkins Coie LLP to provide legal advice on the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election."

Does the hacking campaign involve changing vote tallies?
Did Trump Campaign members enter into financial agreements with agents of Russia?
What was the extent of the relationship, if any, between the Trump Campaign and the Russian Government?

Those and other questions speak to "potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election."

Other items worth weighing when examining this scenario are that Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS never submitted this Dossier to DOJ or the US Government. Also neither of them used it during the campaign. So the DNC obviously concluded there was no documented proof that would legally question the validity of the election.

It was Christopher Steele himself that handed over the Dossier to US Authorities after GPS and Perkins Coi (DNC) did not do anything with it and ended the contract.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

They knew.
They just don't care. They only prosecute their political rivals. An official government sanctioned goon squad.

I agree the FBI knew it was research done via Perkins Coie to Fusion GPS to Christopher Steele.

They said as much in the Carter Page application where they flagged it as political opposition research.

But motivation for research is different than the veracity of the content.

The motivation for the multiple investigations congress conducted into Hillary Clinton were undoubtedly politically motivated, but if in the course of that politically motivated investigation they turned up evidence of illicit contacts with foreign governments or other serious questions, I would expect congress to ask the FBI/DOJ to investigate further or if necessary assign a Special Counsel, just like congress did in this scenario.

The reason Christopher Steele conducted the research is a separate question from if the intelligence he provided was accurate or not. The DOJ/FBI and congress was and is obligated to answer that question regardless.

a reply to: Extorris

The reason Christopher Steele conducted the research is a separate question from if the intelligence he provided was accurate or not.

Those applying for a previously denied fisa warrant are obligated to ensure the information is accurate.
Using circular reporting and the dossier to obtain a fisa warrant on an american citizen was fraud upon the fisa court.
As I posted previously the fbi acted as a goon squad against the sitting administrations political rival.