Mueller team deleted all of Strzoks texts

a reply to: Sillyolme

So there is zero evidence it exists but you are convinced it does. You can't name a single criminal offense he is guilty of, but he is definitely guilty .. and that is your idea of common sense. Got ya.

a reply to: Grambler

That doesnt mean its been interpreted correctly.
And as has been pointed out the texts are most certainly recorded in a server so this is just more oh my god look what they did garbage.
Never you mind what is real and worth worrying about. This fake ass # is getting you stars and flags..

a reply to: Sillyolme

Yep so mueller obstructing justice is ok cause they probably got those tweets somewhere

I bet if trump deletes requested documents you would not say “oh well no big deal they exist somewhere else as well”

No response so just complain about stars and flags

Great contributions to the thread as always!

a reply to: Sillyolme

Sorry, someone like you claiming it's backed up is meaningless when the people trying to get them are being told they are not backed up.

But when the IG went looking for the iPhones separately issued to Strzok and Page by the Mueller team, investigators were told that "[Strzok's] iPhone had been reset to factory settings and was reconfigured for the new user to whom the device was issued."

Not the Samsung phones, the iPhones.

The 11-page report reveals that almost a month after Strzok was removed from Mueller’s team, his government-issued iPhone was wiped clean and restored to factory settings by another individual working in Mueller’s office. The special counsel’s Record’s Officer told investigators that “she determined it did not contain records that needed to be retained.”

Mueller's team determined nothing needed to be retained, deleted it all, and retained none of it.

So five pages on and the people that want to brush this off have made two arguments

1. Who cares if muellers team deleted this? Surely the evidence is stored somewhere else.

2. Straight up denying reality and pretending muellers team didn’t delete these by discussing fbi phones that have nothing to do with the op


It is truly astonishing to watch people cheer for corruption like this

And of course the vast bulk of the people who just ignore the issue because they won’t admit they are ok with this corruption if it targets trump

Remember, if trumo deleted requested texts or documents, they would be the first yelling to lock him up

a reply to: [post=24037793]Grambler[/p]


Mueller' phones are Samsung or Iphone ...if his phone was reset to factory settings is one that needs to be looked at ASAP.

Should raid his office and computers, files, and phones now, before he obstructs more...


Obstruction...is very, very serious, as malfeasance and negligence, do not even scratch the surface.

appleinsider.com...
As a refresher, the FBI in 2016 sought and acquired a federal court order that required Apple to assist in extracting data from an iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino gunman Syed Rizwan Farook. Apple declined, vowing to fight the demand on the basis that unlocking, creating a backdoor into, or otherwise tampering with one iPhone's security protocols would put all users at risk.

The Department of Justice later stepped in with a motion to force Apple's hand. Just as the case was set to enter hearings, the FBI found an outside contractor capable of cracking the iPhone 5c's defenses. The DOJ consequently dropped its side of the case, ending proceedings before a precedent-setting judgment could be delivered.

The recently unearthed texts were sent at around the time Apple declined to cooperate with FBI officials. It should be noted that neither Strzok nor Page worked on the Apple case, though Page was informed by an unknown party as to who the FBI contracted to unlock the terrorist's iPhone.

"And what makes me really angry about that Apple thing? The fact that Tim Cook plays such the privacy advocate," Strzok told Page in a text dated Feb. 9, 2016. "Yeah, jerky, your entire OS is designed to track me without me even knowing it."

"I know. Hypocrite," Page replied.

Shortly after word of the FBI request came out, Cook wrote an open letter to customers that was posted to the company's website. Strzok was none too pleased with the move.

"Oh god. And [REDACTED] is trying to explain/defend apple's position. Based entirely on the misinformation Apple and privacy groups are spewing," Strzok wrote.

Along with Apple, the pair criticize politicians, newspapers, spies and other entities, the reports says.

www.breitbart.com...
Early this year, the Office of the Inspector General contacted Verizon Wireless to determine if the carrier retains old text messages. Verizon said messages are retained for up to seven days after they are sent, and then erased. The missing messages in question were much older than a week by that time and Verizon no longer had them.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

This is from YOUR source ...

The Department of Justice inspector general released a report Thursday revealing that thousands of text messages sent by fired FBI agent Peter Strzok and former FBI attorney Lisa Page were not preserved

What don't you understand about the IG's statement, that I posted several times, saying that they DO have and have recovered ALL of the texts that were exchanged during the "gap period", as well as before and after? They've had them since August 2017.



The phones failed to connect to the "storage system". That's not to say that texts weren't preserved on the server and on the phones themselves.

a reply to: Grambler


Dude, you are all over the place! I don't know anything about any IPhones. That's not to say that the agents didn't have them, but they aren't mentioned in any of the reports that I've seen. Horowitz says there were 4 phones that they researched, in total.

I haven' read the latest OIG report, but I've skimmed it, and it doesn't seem to have much, if anything, in regards to Page and Strzok's integrity, or lack thereof, as it relates to McCabe, Comey, leaks and such.

Your OP claims that Mueller destroyed evidence, on purpose to obstruct justice. That just isn't panning out as reality, on any level.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler


Dude, you are all over the place! I don't know anything about any IPhones. That's not to say that the agents didn't have them, but they aren't mentioned in any of the reports that I've seen. Horowitz says there were 4 phones that they researched, in total.

ETA coming

I am not all over the place

The op was about muellers team wiping the phones they issued (iPhones) before the IG could see the info on them, and why that is bad

You then keep discussing texts from fbi phones that are totally irrelevant to the op

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No one is talking about what you are talking about. Stop talking about the Samsung phones, we are discussing the iPhones.

But when the IG went looking for the iPhones separately issued to Strzok and Page by the Mueller team, investigators were told that "[Strzok's] iPhone had been reset to factory settings and was reconfigured for the new user to whom the device was issued."

The records officer at the special counsel told the IG that "as part of the office's records retention procedure, the officer reviewed Strzok's DOJ issued iPhone" on September 6, 2017 and "determined it contained no substantive text messages" before it was wiped completely -- just weeks after Strzok was fired from Mueller's team for anti-Trump bias and sending anti-Trump text messages.

a reply to: Grambler


Wiping the phones and re-issuing them was standard operating procedure, according to the OIG. The data was collected from the phones, and whatever other sources the OIG, the DOD and the DOJ used to recover them. They were all recovered.

Muller didn't wipe the phones to obstruct justice. All the data is recovered and with the OIG. The IOG's letter to Nunes explains why Congress doesn't have access to all of them.

theconservativetreehouse.com...

a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's a straight out lie. NONE of the data was retained, NONE. Page's phone was NOT reissued, NOT examined even, and wiped.

Similarly, the IG's investigators were told that the special counsel's office was simply "unable to locate the iPhone previously assigned to Page, which had been returned to DOJ's Justice Management Division (JMD)" after she left the Mueller team on July 15, 2017. Page resigned from the FBI entirely on May 4, 2018.

More than a year later, in September 2018, the JMD said it had found Page's iPhone and turned it over to the IG. But, like Strzok's phone, "Page's iPhone had been reset to factory settings on July 31, 2017," even though it had not been reassigned to a new FBI official.

"Neither [Mueller's office] nor JMD's Office of the Chief Information Officer had records reflecting who handled the device or who reset it after Page turned in her iPhone on July 14, 2017," the IG reported.

Unlike with Strzok's phone, the records officer on Mueller's team stated that "she did not receive the phone following Page's departure from the [special counsel's office] and therefore she did not review Page's iPhone for records that would possibly need to be retained prior to the phone having been reset."

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Show me evidence of lost data due to "failure to connect to the storage system" glitches from any IPhones. Why do you think that any IPhones didn't auto-connect with the storage system and preserve those texts and emails? The OIG's office clearly says that the problem went away once the agents got their new phones, Samsung 7s. There is no secret/hidden/deleted texts, lost in cyberspace, from any IPhones. The glitch was with the Samsung phones. The OIG's office has ALL of the texts and emails, some 50,000, according to them.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You are talking about the Galaxy 7, the problem happened with the Galaxy 5 and stopped with the Galaxy 7.

"During calendar year 2017, the FBI phased out use of the Samsung Galaxy S5 devices by its employees and replaced them with Samsung Galaxy S7 devices because of software and other issues that prevented the data collection tool from reliably capturing text messages sent and received via FBI issued Samsung Galaxy SS mobile devices," the IG wrote.

STOP talking about Samsung phones. These are iPhones. I just sourced where Mueller's team said NONE of it was retained because they determined it did not have to be.

But when the IG went looking for the iPhones separately issued to Strzok and Page by the Mueller team, investigators were told that "[Strzok's] iPhone had been reset to factory settings and was reconfigured for the new user to whom the device was issued."

The records officer at the special counsel told the IG that "as part of the office's records retention procedure, the officer reviewed Strzok's DOJ issued iPhone" on September 6, 2017 and "determined it contained no substantive text messages" before it was wiped completely -- just weeks after Strzok was fired from Mueller's team for anti-Trump bias and sending anti-Trump text messages.

Stop talking about the Samsung phones, they had 2 phones, one was an iPhone, it was wiped and no data retained.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No the IG did not get any data from the iPhones because muellers team deleted them

The IG claims that muellers team said wiping them was standard procedure

Again, muellers team knew that the IG was looking in to strzoks texts, yet they purposely deleted them

a reply to: Grambler

And yet they can't even say who handled or deleted Page's phone. There is zero record of it and the person responsible said the phone was never turned in to them and never reviewed by them. But it's all standard ...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Grambler

And yet they can't even say who handled or deleted Page's phone. There is zero record of it and the person responsible said the phone was never turned in to them and never reviewed by them. But it's all standard ...

It’s unbelievably corrupt

Again, this was not a normal scenario

Muellers team actually fired strzok because he was made aware of strzok and pages texts in their Samsung phones, and knew the IG was investigating that

So any person interested in justice would have said “make sure we preserve the phones we gave to strzok amdboage because the IG is investigating them”

But mueller did just the opposite deleting the info so no one could see it

a reply to: Grambler

And the cry of it's standard to wipe a phone when it is reissued holds no water when we realize Page's phone has never been reissued.

Who here would be ok with destroying DNA evidence after the government says they recorded the DNA digitally? No one. You do not destroy original source evidence during an active investigation.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Grambler

And the cry of it's standard to wipe a phone when it is reissued holds no water when we realize Page's phone has never been reissued.

Who here would be ok with destroying DNA evidence after the government says they recorded the DNA digitally? No one. You do not destroy original source evidence during an active investigation.

Absolutely correct

But as you see on this thread, hatred for trump allows people to cheer for or excuse this corruption

a reply to: Grambler

Even if there is nothing bad in the phones you should demand the phones are kept, otherwise it will always be a question and the appearance of impropriety. This really should be a bipartisan cry to preserve everything.