Cohen gets 3 years

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

a reply to: angeldoll

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

It's not a witch hunt against Cohen, just to be clear.

originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: angeldoll

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

It's not a witch hunt against Cohen, just to be clear.

Maybe not? But if he was continuing to work on the Trump Tower deal in Moscow after Trump was the 'candidate', then wouldn't that get Mueller involved? I really don't know.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: angeldoll

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

It's not a witch hunt against Cohen, just to be clear.

Maybe not? But if he was continuing to work on the Trump Tower deal in Moscow after Trump was the 'candidate', then wouldn't that get Mueller involved? I really don't know.

I'm pretty sure Cohen's charges are not the result of the Mueller investigation, then again I am not 100% positive. One would think there is some overlap.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: angeldoll

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

It's not a witch hunt against Cohen, just to be clear.

Maybe not? But if he was continuing to work on the Trump Tower deal in Moscow after Trump was the 'candidate', then wouldn't that get Mueller involved? I really don't know.

That part doesn't make sense to me. I wonder if this was just a case of Cohen forgetting about some later conversation, along the lines of the dubious "lie" they charged Flynn with.

Trump should release the name of every single member of Congress who has used taxpayer money to silence An Accuser.

a reply to: carewemust
Between then and now though,
you could change your tagline
to better reflect on certain changing realties :

COHEN & MANAFORT = Cell Block-H.JARVANKA & JARVANKA = Cell Block-W.

a reply to: Cassi3l

We will see! Adam Schiff just said that the President should be indicted right now, but not stand trial until after he leaves office.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: whargoul

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
"Everyone I don't like is a cult member"

Said the triggered cult member.

I bet you were a pussy on the battlefield too, just like you are on ATS.

This is what triggered looks like.
I'm gonna take a screenshot of your post and put in my folder called Triggered Trumptardos.
Gonna make a hell of a thread someday

a reply to: olaru12

It's getting all Shakespearean....

No waaaaay !?!

The Trump Syndicate Famillglia
is bigly into Elizabethan Cosplay
ruffs, breetches, waistcoats...
...men in tights

Héhéhé

a reply to: Aallanon
He will get 10 more for lying about the President. That is how it will play out. He probably thought lying might get him reduced or off completely. Now Muller has him put away he can proceed with his nothing burger witch hunt. This President is not reacting to this crap like he is guilty. People that are guilty lose the brashness and stumble somewhere. I truly believe this will turn around some day and the swamp rats will be exposed, the Federal Reserve will be booted out of the monetary system and our national debt will be reduced significantly. WOW MY CHRISTMAS WISH!!!!

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: angeldoll

He committed crimes, he admitted to them, he pled guilty and is going to jail. I don't see the problem. If you still think this is all a witch hunt, then yeah, he's a witch.

What is three years with 'good time' anyway? Eighteen months? Pfft. Small price.

It's not a witch hunt against Cohen, just to be clear.

Maybe not? But if he was continuing to work on the Trump Tower deal in Moscow after Trump was the 'candidate', then wouldn't that get Mueller involved? I really don't know.

I'm pretty sure Cohen's charges are not the result of the Mueller investigation, then again I am not 100% positive. One would think there is some overlap.

I believe the current charges are from NY. However, he spent 70 hours with the Mueller team, so I can't imagine those interviews turned up zip, plus, he got less time based on Mueller's letter saying he had been helpful, so one assumes he was.

I also seem to recall the 'dossier' listing Cohen as a member of a meeting in Moscow with Russian Oligarchs, and although he denied it when it was published, he might have changed his tune about that in the Mueller meetings.

I will say -- yo mama tells you when you are about five that if someone tells you to break the law, and you do because they said so, it's on you. Not the person who instructed you to do it, although in this event Trump has been referred to as "an unindicted co-conspirator". It does further substantiate that Trump is a liar and completely beyond anything even remotely resembling decency or law abiding.

I truly believe that continually lying to the public, when in Trump's position, is an abuse of power.

His impeachment might well be one of "a thousand cuts" -- the lying, the sucking up to dictators, obstruction, general unfitness, in addition to whatever else the investigation turns up, such as money laundering, tax evasion, bank fraud.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Also, look into how the Republicans faired after their impeachment of Bill Clinton. It backfired on them big time, and there's every reason to think the same will happen to the Democrats if they impeach Trump.

Personally, I hope Trump doesn’t get impeached. For me it’s enough knowing that everyone who votes for him in 2020 will vote for him fully knowing they’re voting for a criminal for President of the United States. Whether they admit it or not.

Any kind of perceived high ground on any issue is instantly invalidated by choosing to vote for someone as publicly corrupt as Donald Trump.

As opposed to Hillary C.

If the DNC wasnt so blind by whatever that sad excuse of being the shedevil is.. My once main man, Bernie Sanders would be in the White House. But he got robbed for the nomination.

Had he faced the same scrutiny as Trump has, he wouldnt have lasted for long though..

It's the outoftouchreality democrats that brought The Don upon themselves.

a reply to: angeldoll

I will say -- yo mama tells you when you are about five that if someone tells you to break the law, and you do because they said so, it's on you. Not the person who instructed you to do it, although in this event Trump has been referred to as "an unindicted co-conspirator". It does further substantiate that Trump is a liar and completely beyond anything even remotely resembling decency or law abiding.

I’m sure your mama taught you all about campaign finance laws. No, probably not. That’s what lawyers are for. Fact is, even if Trump did tell him to do it, it was Cohen’s duty to advise his client and to take care of the matter legally, or to not do it altogether. But as we know, Cohen broke numerous oaths, including serruptitiously recording his client, who he is now trying to throw under the bus to save his own skin. Yes, it is on Cohen and no one else.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: rickymouse

Keep making excuses for Trump. His house of cards are falling.

I am willing to bet he will be impeached in 2019.

Then make it a very small wager.
Don't bet the farm

a reply to: Gothmog

I will bet you 48,888 ATS stars.

a reply to: samuelsson

It's the outoftouchreality democrats that brought The Don upon themselves.

So true...but they have seen the error of their ways, repented, regrouped and looking forward to 20 with bigly amounts of corporate $$$ in their coffers.

The GOP was surprised by the midterms when the big money dogs pulled their support. You know why don't you?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

IKR?
Second trump associate going to jail.
Of course not for the length that the one who didn't cooperate got.
Wonder what they will do with Flynn.
And when the indictments for Stone, Junior and Ivanka will come down.

IKR... and every Clinton friend who committed the same crimes received full immunity even if they didn't give anything in return for the "immunity..."

originally posted by: ausername
Doesn't have to report to jail until March?

Whatever, I have no sympathy for a corrupt, lying lawyer, no matter who they're working for or against.

Meh

Wasn't Obama a corrupt, lying lawyer too?

There is so much misinformation and unfounded statements in here about this that I had to leave my lurking chair to try and bring a small semblance of fact to this gathering.

First, Cohen was convicted of lying and states that Trump asked him to pay off Daniels. It was illegal because he paid Cohen a monthly amount and listed it as attorney fees/retainer to hide it during the election cycle. He did the same with the Enquirer. That is election fraud since it was done solely to keep it out of the press which is what David Pecker has stated under oath as did Cohen. If you ask someone to shoot another person, that is conspiracy to commit and if they do, you are as guilty as them. The same principle applies to campaign fraud since all monies must be reported for the public record. It's the law.

Obama was fined for late submission of campaign donations which was required within 48 hours. When they missed the deadline, they were fined. Not the same thing, not even close.

Trump will not be impeached immediately. The Dem plan is to work their way slowly through the House committees with full public hearings on Russian involvement with those intimately involved with them. They will be looking at payments, financial records, tax returns, clandestine meetings, past investigations into the hacking, influence peddling and illegal transactions. The Trump Organization will continue to be investigated by NY State and all records have already been seized, reviewed, verified and sourced.

Trump will be indicted although some may be "secret indictments" to avoid the statute of limitations on crimes in NY. Their records are showing illegal activity in 2003 so the clock is ticking on those. Future indictments will be decided by SCOTUS as to their applicability. Trump will also be subpoenaed at some point as was Clinton to testify under oath. But he will not be tried for any crimes until he leaves the office of President since it would interfere in the governance of the country.

My expectation is that Trump will cut a deal with DoJ (Mueller investigation) to resign the office to avoid the eventual and probable criminal charges. However he will be charged by NY State and is looking at a similar sentence to Cohen, probably harsher since he refuses to cooperate and continues to interfere in the investigation. Pence is not totally clean in all of this either considering his role as the transition team manager and Manafort's role working with the Russians. If Pence is found to have conspired to cover that up, he is also legally in jeopardy.

Maria Butina is apparently ready to talk which will show that Russian money was funneled to the Trump campaign through the NRA. She infiltrated them as a Russian agent and was not subtle about it. Her handler has already been recalled and is presently unaccounted for and she, like Manafort, fear Putin's revenge. I expect she may go into WitSec after testifying.

Finally, Flynn will avoid prison time due to his cooperation as will Rick Gates. However all of those involved with the Trump Organization including his kids and Jared Kushner may get caught up in the financial fraud parts of the organization. Jr. is fully expecting to be indicted for his role and Kushner may also flip to avoid the same fate as his father.

There are so many threads to this entire conspiracy that it mirrors every aspect of a visible RICO operation combined with election tampering, money laundering, campaign donations and payoffs, foreign espionage along with a cover up and conspiracy to defraud and attempts to block investigations that many will be caught in the web as a few have already. It took Mueller a few years to bring down John Gotti also and this one is far more complicated.