Gravity.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance


Gravity is the core belief supporting the solar system theory.

If you were to debunk gravity you'd debunk the entire universe theory.

Is gravity real?

The theory of gravity claims we are kept on the world by being pulled towards the ground by this supposed force. This implies we naturally are in fact floating beings.

Are we floating beings?

We, as beings, developed under the force of gravity.

So, no -- we are not naturally floating beings. We are naturally made with gravity as factor. We are what we are becuase of gravity (among other factors).

We stick to earth because of gravity and there, if gravity was to "break", we'd start going up into space.

That means we are floating, our natural state is floating.

We are floating in space but because of gravity we are able to walk on earth.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance


Gravity is the core belief supporting the solar system theory.

If you were to debunk gravity you'd debunk the entire universe theory.

Is gravity real?

The theory of gravity claims we are kept on the world by being pulled towards the ground by this supposed force. This implies we naturally are in fact floating beings.

Are we floating beings?

We, as beings, developed under the force of gravity.

So, no -- we are not naturally floating beings. We are naturally made with gravity as factor. We are what we are becuase of gravity (among other factors).

We stick to earth because of gravity and there, if gravity was to "break", we'd start going up into space.

That means we are floating, our natural state is floating.

We are floating in space but because of gravity we are able to walk on earth.

Sure, and if oxygen ceased to exist, or oxygen's ability to aid in our respiration were to "break", our natural state would be to gasp for breath until we die.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

tadaa

and all of this floating in space

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Okay, so it's settled then...we're floating. You win (well, not really, but you know).

What now?

I think I'm gonna' "float" on out of this discussion now...BECAUSE IT HAS NO POINT!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We float, because modern science says so.

We are on a floating ball.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We float, because modern science says so.

We are on a floating ball.

When the ball we are on is floating, that means we are floating also!

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

tadaa

and all of this floating in space

Well, then I don't get what you're saying.

Things naturally exist in space. Matter, energy, and the forces that come with them are part of the thing we call our universe. Our universe was not just sitting empty and then the matter/energy/forces came along to trespass within it. No -- matter and energy is what defines our universe. Sure, those things developed out of the early universe, but they are intrinsic to that universe, and were a natural development, intrinsically.

You start taking gravity and other things from the universe, then the universe isn't the universe anymore. There would be no such "natural" place for things to happen.

Forget the oxygen analogy I made above; here's a better analogy:

What if another of what we call "the fundamental forces" breaks? That is, what if the strong interaction force (also sometimes called nuclear strong force) were to "break", similar to your example about gravity breaking? Without the strong interaction force, the nucleus of atoms would not hold together. We would not have matter as we know it.

It would not be "our natural state" because we would not exist at all -- nor would any matter.

It could be argued that it might be "a" natural state but it certainly wouldn't be "our" natural state -- i.e., it would NOT be the natural state of the universe in which we live.

Gravity and those other things are part of nature. They are part of everything that is natural. Without them, then nature is no longer natural.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

When a large ball is floating in space, it floats, when you stick a much smaller ball to the big ball, they together are floating in space.

Tadaa, we float.

The atmosphere might give us the impression we aren't floating, but we are.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Okay, against my better judgement, I will attempt this one more time...

Is your point to debate the physics of Gravity?

Is your point to discuss some spiritual aspect of human existence?

Is your point to discuss the physiology of the human form?

OR...is your point to just let us know you found some really good stinky sticky-icky-icky, and now you think we're all floating?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

When a large ball is floating in space, it floats, when you stick a much smaller ball to the big ball, they together are floating in space.

Tadaa, we float.

The atmosphere might give us the impression we aren't floating, but we are.

OK...So then (to go along with you for a moment) the Earth -- and the solar system as a whole -- is floating in space. We are on the Earth, so I suppose we are floating in space as well.

However, I'm not sure how that leads you to ask if gravity is real. I'm not seeing the connection between the Earth floating in space and gravity not being real.

.....And, by the way, it isn't exactly accurate for me to say the Earth is floating in space. Rather, the Earth is forever in a free fall orbit around the Sun that is a result of a balance between the Sun's gravity pulling the Earth toward it and the angular momentum of the Earth perpendicular to that pull of gravity.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'm only discussing modern science.

When you have a problem with modern science, just say so.

Meanwhile, I'll be floating further.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Are you saying only the sun is floating, or is the sun also in free fall and does that make the universe being in free fall?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'm only discussing modern science.

No, you're not discussing modern science at all! You're discussing fringe science at best, and that isn't even giving the word "science" it's proper due.

When you have a problem with modern science, just say so.

Modern "science"? What 'modern science'? I don't see any modern science here!

I don't need to say anything.

Meanwhile, I'll be floating further.

I really wish you'd stop bogartin' the blunt and pass it around! LOL!

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Are you saying only the sun is floating, or is the sun also in free fall and does that make the universe being in free fall?

The Sun is what it is because of gravity. It would not exist without gravity (i.e., it would have never become a star in the first place), and if gravity were suddenly to "break", the sun would rip itself apart due to the outward pressure of nuclear fusion. Furthermore, the Sun (and the entire solar system) exists where it exists due to the gravitational interaction with the galaxy. The galaxy gravitationally interacts with other galaxies.

This is the natural state of things.


.....However, I don't understand what any of that has to do with your original assertion that "we are floating beings". When you say "We" and "beings", do you mean humans and other Earth organisms?

If so then I go back to one of my earlier posts to say that humans (and other Earth organism) are exactly what they are BECAUSE of gravity. We formed in gravity, so interacting with gravity is our natural state.

Existing in no gravity would be an unnatural state for us" beings", as you call us. And that is a direct response to your question in the OP. What you are trying to say now is confusing.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Wow, so gravity actually keeps the "planets" in the shape they are?

If one planet would be destroyed, all other planets and the sun in the same solarsystem would end up being destroyed?

I can imagine the same thing would happen when another planet enters a solar system, like planet X or something.

Total destruction.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

'Falling' is a relative term. Falling in relation to what? Falling implies movement in relationship to something else, another object.

You want to talk about "modern science" yet you contradict that notion with each successive post.

If you want to discuss a near permanent state of "free fall" then let's discuss an orbit of an object around an object of considerably larger mass. Because of the velocity of the orbiting object (and the lack of resistance), the orbiting object exists in a state of perpetual free fall. THAT is falling, and THAT is also a direct result of the gravitational attraction of two objects with relative masses.

If you want to discuss "modern science" then state your case. If you want to talk about the "universe being in free fall", then you should be prepared to discuss what the universe is "falling" in relation to!

OR...you really don't want to talk about "modern science" at all, but rather some fantastical imaginary world where the laws of physics and "modern science" don't apply.

Your call.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Actually, we are expanding.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

No, now I think you're just trolling.

Have a great...universe.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We're contracting?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Wow, so gravity actually keeps the "planets" in the shape they are?

If one planet would be destroyed, all other planets and the sun in the same solarsystem would end up being destroyed?

I can imagine the same thing would happen when another planet enters a solar system, like planet X or something.

Total destruction.

By "Planet X", do you mean something akin to the mythical Nibiru? I ask because the term Planet X' is a loose one with many definitions.

For example, scientists today are searching for a possible large planet that hypothetically exists far beyond Neptune and Pluto. Science thinks this hypothetical planet exists due to the orbital aspects of several other known bodies that also reside beyond Pluto.

Some people have called this "Planet Nine", but some others refer to it as "Planet X" (with the X being a placeholder). However in this case, the term "Planet X" has nothing to do with the mythical Nibiru; they would be two totally different things.

This hypothetical Plant Nine/Planet X that science is currently searching for would have an orbit that always stay beyond Pluto and would never swoop in through the inner solar system. Nibiru, on the other hand, is claimed to have come through the inner solar system. Interestingly though, the exact same reason they think Planet Nine exists (that reason being that other bodies in the outer solar system exhibit orbits that indicate something else it out there) is the same reason that Nibiru -- or some planet that has recently (say only 3600 years ago, as the myth goes) swooped through the inner solar system -- can NOT exist.

That is, if Nibiru existed, the orbits of the planets of the inner solar system would indicate that it has recently swooped through...and the IS NO such indication.

But if some futre unknown planet (maybe a rogue planet from outside our solar system) were to come through, it would be problematic.


EDIT TO ADD:
So I suppose you are abandoning your earlier argument that our natural state as beings (which I took to mean us humans) is to exist without gravity, and thus gravity is not real?