$15 Minimum Wage - Real World Results

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JameSimon

Nice racist post.

Was the post racist against lazy young people? lol

That was exactly it:

"But while YOU are cleaning toilets in eastern Europe, because you don't have the stuff, there is a motivated hard-ass that IS willing to put in sweat and blood, and you're left cleaning porta-johns because,m to be honest, you just can't hack it. "

Was the eastern Europe reference necessary for the point you're trying to make?

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: LSU2018

Acting soiled are you out of your mind?

Dude your whole post is complete nonsense 200 a week is complete garbage

You are tripped

Now 200 a week is spoiled. Wow you need a reality check

I have to agree with toysforadults on this one. The problem people have is that they are their own worst enemy.
People truly do not know what they are worth. It's not about starting from the bottom, it's about being paid properly for what the job is.

You are only worth what someone is willing to pay for your services... your personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant.

If your barber / hairstylist suddenly told you they were doubling what it cost to do your hair, would you pay it? What if they said the new higher price is what they feel they are worth?

They can feel they are worth it all they want, but unless you are willing to pay it... it is just their imagination talking.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: LSU2018

Acting soiled are you out of your mind?

Dude your whole post is complete nonsense 200 a week is complete garbage

You are tripped

Now 200 a week is spoiled. Wow you need a reality check

I have to agree with toysforadults on this one. The problem people have is that they are their own worst enemy.
People truly do not know what they are worth. It's not about starting from the bottom, it's about being paid properly for what the job is.

You are only worth what someone is willing to pay for your services... your personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant.

If your barber / hairstylist suddenly told you they were doubling what it cost to do your hair, would you pay it? What if they said the new higher price is what they feel they are worth?

They can feel they are worth it all they want, but unless you are willing to pay it... it is just their imagination talking.

I would actually pay double for my salon services because I like them and wouldn't want to use someone else. Just like I'd pay more for quality food.

Let's delve deeper into what you are saying. It's basically the chicken and the egg scenario.

In America we've said here is our minimum wage, and for the most part people have accepted it. Now people are saying it's too little and need more for a certain standard of living. Yet in China people are willing to do the same work for much much less. Is it that people feel like they are worth more here? How many people would accept pay of 50 cents an hour here? I believe it's all about what people accept.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: LSU2018

Acting soiled are you out of your mind?

Dude your whole post is complete nonsense 200 a week is complete garbage

You are tripped

Now 200 a week is spoiled. Wow you need a reality check

I have to agree with toysforadults on this one. The problem people have is that they are their own worst enemy.
People truly do not know what they are worth. It's not about starting from the bottom, it's about being paid properly for what the job is.

You are only worth what someone is willing to pay for your services... your personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant.

If your barber / hairstylist suddenly told you they were doubling what it cost to do your hair, would you pay it? What if they said the new higher price is what they feel they are worth?

They can feel they are worth it all they want, but unless you are willing to pay it... it is just their imagination talking.

I would actually pay double for my salon services because I like them and wouldn't want to use someone else. Just like I'd pay more for quality food.

Let's delve deeper into what you are saying. It's basically the chicken and the egg scenario.

In America we've said here is our minimum wage, and for the most part people have accepted it. Now people are saying it's too little and need more for a certain standard of living. Yet in China people are willing to do the same work for much much less. Is it that people feel like they are worth more here? How many people would accept pay of 50 cents an hour here? I believe it's all about what people accept.

What people are willing to accept is based on their options and what others are willing to accept. It is real simple if you take the emotion out of it.

A business says they are willing to pay $10/hr for a janitor.

Person A says I won't work for less than $15/hr. The business then calls Person B who says I am willing to do the work for $10/hr. Person B gets the job. Person A remains unemployed OR they find another business that is willing to pay $15/hr.

On the other hand, if the business says they will pay $10 and hour for a janitor and they contact Person A who still remains at $15/ hr. They then call Person B who says, I want $15/hr. Person C says I want $15/hr. The business has two choices. They can either pay $15/hr as that is what the market is clearly demanding for the work OR they can choose to forgo hiring.

Just saying, government mandating what companies can pay employees is a large part of the real definition of fascism. Along with controlling how much they produce and what materials they use and who they hire.

Our company has cut entry lever wages because the quality of the employee has dropped so much in the last 10 years. A laborer entry level used to be $20 now it's $14. same low quality for less money. We tell to leave their phones in their cars and 10 minutes later they are hiding on their phone. 3 Strikes your out some just never come back after the first warning.

originally posted by: Theocracy4America
Just saying, government mandating what companies can pay employees is a large part of the real definition of fascism. Along with controlling how much they produce and what materials they use and who they hire.

The government and the Fed has its greasey fingers involved in every aspect of life anyone who thinks we have capitalism is ill informed

In addition, the laws also created a black market. Many of the workers who lost their jobs because of the $15/hr minimum wage now work the black market doing illegal car washes since they can't get hired at legal car washes now. They basically wash cars on the street.

So the higher wages has increased buisness opportunities for savvy former underpaid car wash workers. Good for them. I will never use automatic car washes, and will gladly pay these opportunistic capitalist 10x what I would pay at an automatic car wash.

Bet I'm not alone in that line either.

If buisness dont like it, they can move their buisness to China. Seems their Socialist/Capitalist mashup is doing well these days, and they are ascendant.

Would actually be a smart buisness move.

All in all, an excellent argument for a $15 minimum wage. Star for you.

a reply to: toysforadults

That's a ⭐ for you. I forget the details, but from what I understand America has been a mostly Fascist state since the 1930's by the hand of FDR.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

1913 Federal Reserve FDR took us into a pseudo socialist/ communist state in the 30s

a reply to: toysforadults

OH, yeah, your right. The 1930's brought the introduction of the welfare state, where the state takes over matters the church should be heading. You know the thing about the Federal Reserve? They have no reserve and it's not federal. It's also a terrible economic strategy that only gives the elites more power over the economy.

originally posted by: ErEhWoN

In addition, the laws also created a black market. Many of the workers who lost their jobs because of the $15/hr minimum wage now work the black market doing illegal car washes since they can't get hired at legal car washes now. They basically wash cars on the street.

So the higher wages has increased buisness opportunities for savvy former underpaid car wash workers. Good for them. I will never use automatic car washes, and will gladly pay these opportunistic capitalist 10x what I would pay at an automatic car wash.

Bet I'm not alone in that line either.

If buisness dont like it, they can move their buisness to China. Seems their Socialist/Capitalist mashup is doing well these days, and they are ascendant.

Would actually be a smart buisness move.

All in all, an excellent argument for a $15 minimum wage. Star for you.

They work for less than $15/hr on the street...

Try again next time.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

I totally agree. He modeled the economy after Hitler's economy. Oddly enough they implement the same policies how weird is that?

If the Fed didn't exist there would have been no bailouts and our economy would be in better shape today.

Also if there was no welfare state wages would be bettet because people would demand higher wages because they wouldnt have a choice

originally posted by: Edumakated

In America we've said here is our minimum wage, and for the most part people have accepted it. Now people are saying i
On the other hand, if the business says they will pay $10 and hour for a janitor and they contact Person A who still remains at $15/ hr. They then call Person B who says, I want $15/hr. Person C says I want $15/hr. The business has two choices. They can either pay $15/hr as that is what the market is clearly demanding for the work OR they can choose to forgo hiring.

Or they can automate, which was the original discussion, just as the car wash companies did. When someone like toysforadults starts demanding $25 an hour for stocking shelves, the answer is: Robots can do it cheaper, and they don't threaten the populace with stopping the supply chain, i.e.: Robots are not volatile and unreliable like toysforadults is. They work 24 hours a day and they don't complain.

So toysforadults just talked himself out of a job. The union did not save him, and instead of making $15 an hour and demanding $25, he now makes ZERO! Why zero? Because he is not qualified for anything else. He does not have the skills to do anything more valuable. Now what toysforadults COULD do is get the training necessary to maintain the robots, a job which is easily worth $25 an hour. The question then becomes, is he smart enough to do that, or is he only smart enough to complain?

a reply to: toysforadults

Socialist (blue-egale-likeeconomy aside his party also favoured ideology which Hitler also favoured. Some examples include heavy gun control for citizens, strict environmental protection policies, promotion of non-GMO organic food over industrialized production of food (can't say that I disagree with that last one though), and of course his massive government spending programs. Yeah, I'm going to have to start a new "was Hitler a progressive Democrat" thread as I do not want to hijack this thread... Not that I am in favour of the entire republican party either, but Hitler would have certainly voted Democrat.

a reply to: Theocracy4America

great idea dude I've not done it for a few years but you can draw lines between Hitler and FDR they literally did the same exact things at almost the same times

it's real weird

a reply to: JameSimon

It do what it do.

a reply to: schuyler

you like running your mouth with not a lot of information. but yeah go ahead and keep trying to convince people to accept less. that's real cool of you


Automated supply chain ALREADY happening;

Adidas
Amazon
Honeywell

Look, I can sit here and do this all day. It takes a special kind of person to sit here and try and talk people out of getting more out of their labor.

It's people like you who create situations like what's happening in France.

He does not have the skills to do anything more valuable.

Oh look. Another totally ignorant point of view. FYI I make substantially more money than minimum wage as a tile setter. I am also getting a bachelor's degree in network operations with an emphasis in security. You probably couldn't handle my workload on your best day.

It's best to keep the ignorant comments to yourself. Old man.

From an Australian viewpoint I see the same thing happening here. The weakening of unions. A race to the bottom where employers are choosing imported workers or a certain shall we say people of particular countries who don't stand up for their rights. Because the pay is better than what they were used to in their own home country, they underbid on wages as a block.

They also have a tendency to "bring in more rellies" into the job shutting out any chance of the longstanding employees having any block power to ensure wages are kept up with inflation.

The OP makes good points. There has to be a lowest wage thresh hold where you don't go below.

Employers don't give a damn. They'll screw as much as they can knowing that the Government will pick up the slack by topping up with Social security.

You people that attack the OP fail to grasp that no matter how low wages are - if the cost of replacing the with automation is cheaper than they will be dumped for a machine.

If you think this is some sort of capitalism versus socialism "moral " fight on principle then you are mistaken.

Have a look at the health care industry in your own country. Without Insurance along with greed by lawyers and doctors do you honestly think $30,000 for a 3 day stay is rational. Seriously?

Everyone deserves a living minimum wage.
wiki

The average cost of a 3-day hospital stay is around $30,000.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The OP is arguing against a minimum wage #1 and automation is coming weather you like it or not.

The automation argument being made in this thread is a non sequituir made by people who don't know/ understand technology markets.

www.bbc.com...

you aren't running away from the socialism/ basic income argument. the automation revolution is here and it's moving FAST in trucking, actually all of supply chain and manufacturing, doctors, lawyers, accountants

yeah it's coming for your job, these guys are arguing platitudes from a previous century we are entering new territory