Are the French protesting Taxes or Muslims?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Be the same as the US, some people hate immigration and some people hate the politics. The protests will be about both issues and many more as well

Why is it that people don't get that "illegal immigration" is not the same as "legal immigration"? People in the U.S. who are protesting, are protesting "illegal immigration", we are not protesting "immigration..."

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Some people hate legal immigration as well as illegal immigration

a reply to: JAGStorm

They are not protesting gas taxes that's for damn sure. And stating "Muslims" is inciteful. The reality is they are protesting their sell out globalist president who has "culturally appropriated" France to the brink of civil unrest. It just so happens the migrants and refugees happen to be Muslim.

So in a nutshell the people of France are doing what any countryman should do in the face of a foreign invasion.

TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK!

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Looks like a reaction to everything the EU has foisted upon Europeans; over-taxation and regulation, open borders and a seeming bias towards immigrants instead of citizens. The socialist utopia isn't selling any more.

Might look like that, but what it actually is is a reaction to Macron taking the country to the right. He's cutting away all the socialist programmes that support French workers.

If you don't believe me, ask someone who lives in France.

You cant be kidding can you?

The tax is not Right wing, right wing wants less taxes. The taxation to give to someone else IS SOCIALISM using Orwellian techniques to make you suck it up and pay or suffer the consequences they've planned for you.

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: JAGStorm

Make the Muslim women afraid to walk the streets and not the French women.

Whoever said that, I'd like to pay a visit to his house. It'll be a beatingly fun welcome!

But still no concern for the actual non muslim French victims who have a right to safety also?

It started as protests about fuel tax rises but as with all things French, simply morphed into a general protest. Now, it is really about poverty and the cost of living, which it is actually hard to criticise.

The gap between rich and poor is much greater than it has ever been in history. Corporate greed has ensured that the wealth distribution is incredibly poor.

I actually support capitalism but something does need to be done to reduce this gap.

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: JAGStorm

They are not protesting gas taxes that's for damn sure. And stating "Muslims" is inciteful. The reality is they are protesting their sell out globalist president who has "culturally appropriated" France to the brink of civil unrest. It just so happens the migrants and refugees happen to be Muslim.

So in a nutshell the people of France are doing what any countryman should do in the face of a foreign invasion.

TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK!

Basically your argument is money doesn't make the world go round Muslims do....

So couple of vile anonymous comments on YouTube is enough to conclude that the protests in France are about Muslims, globbuuhhliists and other talking points that an average Trump supporter spouts on ATS.
Only in Trumptardo land

a reply to: JAGStorm

if I were french president i'd deport all the racists into the sun!

It sure seems to be a divide a conquer failure on the part of TPTB. They wanted to destroy any one culture in every country through unchecked immigration. If you dilute the fuel of what makes a country great, pretty soon the engine won't run. Europe as a whole is just about there but now the people are pissed and pushing back. I mean what a recipe.. Tax the hell out of your people on some unproven, totally false global warming theory and dilute the culture through unchecked immigration where the country is no longer recognizable.

China and Russia keep a check on their immigration. The U.S. is on a slippery slope. If you look at Minnesota, that is what the left wants all across America.

Over all, It looks like TPTB are failing miserably so the next step seems to be total economic chaos. We see the stock market all of a sudden losing big. Kind of a coincidence as the globalist agenda turns into a raging dumpster fire.

What the original plan seemed to be was to destroy a handful of counties in the middle east to create a refuge crisis. Both Bush & Obama along with Killary made a huge mess over there. Libya was set on fire and Killary laughed about it. Iraq was leveled and ISIS allowed to flourish. Now, put the crisis on TV and make us all feel bad. Then open the doors to people that hate us.

France saw an extreme version of this humanitarian boondoggle and they are pissed.. I guess what TPTB didn't count on was the level of bad behavior and damage these "refuges" would inflict on the local populations.

Macron better be careful or he may go the way of Louis XVI.. Act like a king and you may get your reward..

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

No, that's not the argument at all.

Yellow vests have come up with a manifesto . ..

www.sott.net... STrFHIfg3RJHfHdHv0kbQRFQ1ur9T78O6S7penDC9M

In English .. .

Economy/Work

A constitutional cap on taxes - at 25%
Increase of 40% in the basic pension and social welfare
Increase hiring in public sector to re-establish public services
Massive construction projects to house 5 million homeless, and severe penalties for mayors/prefectures that leave people on the streets
Break up the 'too-big-to-fail' banks, re-separate regular banking from investment banking
Cancel debts accrued through usurious rates of interest.


Politics

Constitutional amendments to protect the people's interests, including binding referenda
The barring of lobby groups and vested interests from political decision-making
Frexit: Leave the EU to regain our economic, monetary and political sovereignty (In other words, respect the 2005 referendum result, when France voted against the EU Constitution Treaty, which was then renamed the Lisbon Treaty, and the French people ignored)
Clampdown on tax evasion by the ultra-rich
The immediate cessation of privatization, and the re-nationalization of public goods like motorways, airports, rail, etc
Remove all ideology from the ministry of education, ending all destructive education techniques
Quadruple the budget for law and order and put time-limits on judicial procedures. Make access to the justice system available for all
Break up media monopolies and end their interference in politics. Make media accessible to citizens and guarantee a plurality of opinions. End editorial propaganda
Guarantee citizens' liberty by including in the constitution a complete prohibition on state interference in their decisions concerning education, health and family matters.


Health/Environment

No more 'planned obsolescence' - Mandate guarantee from producers that their products will last 10 years, and that spare parts will be available during that period
Ban plastic bottles and other polluting packaging
Weaken the influence of big pharma on health in general and hospitals in particular
Ban on GMO crops, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors and monocrops
Reindustrialize France (thereby reducing imports and thus pollution)


Foreign Affairs

End France's participation in foreign wars of aggression, and exit from NATO
Cease pillaging and interfering - politically and militarily - in 'Francafrique', which keeps Africa poor. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. Establish relations with African states on an equal peer-to-peer basis
Prevent migratory flows that cannot be accommodated or integrated, given the profound civilizational crisis we are experiencing
Scrupulously respect international law and the treaties we have signed.

It all seems reasonable to me.

a reply to: ressiv

Well not just France, but everywhere. It's really always been that way though. It's just tough to change because rich are capable of minipulating politicians. Many people may feel wronged by their government and corporate greed/unchecked power, but are too afraid to take the heavy risk of civil unrest.

a reply to: sapien82

There seems to be a growing clash of Islam vs other cultures.

originally posted by: Flavian

The gap between rich and poor is much greater than it has ever been in history. Corporate greed has ensured that the wealth distribution is incredibly poor.

I actually support capitalism but something does need to be done to reduce this gap.

It needs to be fixed for democracy to survive.

In 1980, the top 1 percent controlled about 8 percent of U.S. national income. The bottom 50 percent shared about 18 percent. Today the top 1 percent share about 20 percent; the bottom 50 percent, just 12 percent.

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Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.

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In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when.

www.politico.com...

a reply to: doobydoll

Barring some of the items in Foreign Affairs I think we should adopt something very similar here in the UK.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: sapien82

There seems to be a growing clash of Islam vs other cultures.

Islam and "the other" (foreigners or racial, ethnic or religious minorities) in general is a scapegoat for the accelerating growth of global income inequality. The cause of the discontent is very real, but the villain is not those who have the least money or power, they are just the best suited for scapegoating.

This is a story repeated in history forever. It is also a failed long-term strategy by the 1%. Once the middle class evaporates and we return to a binary state of majority serfs and the 1% lords, then police states and revolution follow and everyone suffers. The cycle is not an inevitability. It is possible to maintain equal economic opportunity in tax policy, education affordability, living wages etc. Equal opportunity has become a mirage in recent years. The greatest determinate factor in a child's economic success right now in the USA is not their intelligence, work ethic or grade point average, it is their zipcode. Free market capitalism is optimal when the system affords everyone equal economic opportunity. We desperately need to redistribute economic opportunity before it's too late.

The french are protesting because their income is to low and prices are to high.
They can't loose anymore then they already have lost ...
But it's not only France.
Every western euro country has a couplevof million working poor who just can't afford the basic life necessities.

a reply to: blueman12

that maybe the case , all cultures clash really though , what one culture finds acceptable practice another finds morally abhhorent !

im not really a fan of organised religions either !