So much for Global Warming

a reply to: CryHavoc

That's weather.
Global warming could lead to some bad winters but on a whole global Temps are rising.
Which is a fact.

The earth is millions of years old and have had numerous natural ice ages and heat waves.

Its extremely ignorant to think people have a say in how the environment should be.

Let's not be slobs. But Let's not get out of control and ban stupid things.

Especially for the short time humans have been able to record weather. Its ridiculous to compare anything when dealing to the long history of the planet

originally posted by: hunamongyou
a reply to: LordAhriman

I, personally, doubt the credentials of some of the so-called scientists that claim to be climate scientists. Who decides who gets to call themself a climate scientist? Who checks to see what their affiliations are and who their backers are? Do they have any preconceived belief they try to prove with their "research".

Those climate scientists are going to be devastated that you doubt them. Or they may just carry on doing their research. You have very obviously never met, or ever been involved with, any kind of science or scientists.

Climate scientists get to call themselves that because they have spent years getting degrees and PhDs studying climate. They don't have to be affiliated to anyone or anything, or have any 'backers'. They just have to have the correct qualifications and apply the scientific process appropriately. Peer review stops preconceived notions from outweighing data analysis. That's how science works: you use a method to collect and analyse data, you test hypotheses to account for the data, you get other scientists to check your conclusions to ensure that it makes sense.

There is no such thing as "settled science".

What there is is an overwhelming consensus.

Someone let me know if the arctic ice cap continues to cover most of the arctic area in the summer and I will believe global cooling. Until then, I will expect to turn on my air conditioning sometimes in the winter. Supposed to be 75 on Sunday. That's too hot.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: CryHavoc

Just so you know..50 miles south west of Chicago is not the globe, it does not represent the globe, it means nothing.

It snowed though! Proof that the climate is getting colder!

LOL, well, last Tuesday was record high temps here.so I guess it must mean Global Warming is for real
No doubt the climate is changing, and no doubt some % is due to man.
People don't want to accept it though, so they can carry on carrying on, not changing..even worse.

originally posted by: Bloodworth
The earth is millions of years old and have had numerous natural ice ages and heat waves.

Its extremely ignorant to think people have a say in how the environment should be.

Let's not be slobs. But Let's not get out of control and ban stupid things.

Especially for the short time humans have been able to record weather. Its ridiculous to compare anything when dealing to the long history of the planet

ever heard of the Cedars of LEbanon? This was a massive cedar forest in lebanon that was used to literally build the Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. Not to mention Solomon's temple

guess what? look for it today, its not there. Its a freaking desert. A DESERT! why? because human cut down all the trees and left the earth barren and the desert took over. And that all happened before modern tech when human population numbers were tiny

now imagine what BILLIONs of folks with high tech can do to the planet.

OBVIOUSLY we are powerful and can F up the planet or heal it. Our choice.

originally posted by: StoneCircles

originally posted by: Bloodworth
The earth is millions of years old and have had numerous natural ice ages and heat waves.

Its extremely ignorant to think people have a say in how the environment should be.

Let's not be slobs. But Let's not get out of control and ban stupid things.

Especially for the short time humans have been able to record weather. Its ridiculous to compare anything when dealing to the long history of the planet

ever heard of the Cedars of LEbanon? This was a massive cedar forest in lebanon that was used to literally build the Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. Not to mention Solomon's temple

guess what? look for it today, its not there. Its a freaking desert. A DESERT! why? because human cut down all the trees and left the earth barren and the desert took over. And that all happened before modern tech when human population numbers were tiny

now imagine what BILLIONs of folks with high tech can do to the planet.

OBVIOUSLY we are powerful and can F up the planet or heal it. Our choice.

When I would go fossil hunting, sometimes the easiest fossils to find were shark teeth in veryvl narrow and small rivers and streams.

Dating the teeth show them to be millions of years old

And the number 1 question is why are the shark teeth in fresh water or a river.

And the answer is that at one point that river and surrounding forrest was once an ocean.

Many great desserts are just old seas and when the continents shifted, global change can occur in devastating fashion.

Lighting would strike Forrests and way before humans could fight fires, these fires would burn for years.

Even today there are many under ground fires that have been burning for years.
A steady stream of dangerous c02

Humans definitely have the ability to destroy, but the nit picking just shows how naive many are.

In the u.s. the government will bankrupt companies with horrible regulations and environmental fines.

While China will not stop a coal powered factory if it means losing money

originally posted by: StoneCircles

originally posted by: Bloodworth
The earth is millions of years old and have had numerous natural ice ages and heat waves.

Its extremely ignorant to think people have a say in how the environment should be.

Let's not be slobs. But Let's not get out of control and ban stupid things.

Especially for the short time humans have been able to record weather. Its ridiculous to compare anything when dealing to the long history of the planet

ever heard of the Cedars of LEbanon? This was a massive cedar forest in lebanon that was used to literally build the Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. Not to mention Solomon's temple

guess what? look for it today, its not there. Its a freaking desert. A DESERT! why? because human cut down all the trees and left the earth barren and the desert took over. And that all happened before modern tech when human population numbers were tiny

now imagine what BILLIONs of folks with high tech can do to the planet.

OBVIOUSLY we are powerful and can F up the planet or heal it. Our choice.

When I would go fossil hunting, sometimes the easiest fossils to find were shark teeth in veryvl narrow and small rivers and streams.

Dating the teeth show them to be millions of years old

And the number 1 question is why are the shark teeth in fresh water or a river.

And the answer is that at one point that river and surrounding forrest was once an ocean.

Many great desserts are just old seas and when the continents shifted, global change can occur in devastating fashion.

Lighting would strike Forrests and way before humans could fight fires, these fires would burn for years.

Even today there are many under ground fires that have been burning for years.
A steady stream of dangerous c02

Humans definitely have the ability to destroy, but the nit picking just shows how naive many are.

In the u.s. the government will bankrupt companies with horrible regulations and environmental fines.

While China will not stop a coal powered factory if it means losing money

As soon as one of the super volcanoes erupt, whatever humans may be doing to "changing the climate" will be overthrown in less than 1 hour. The eruption will spew so much ash, CO2, and many other gases and masses into the air, the climate will be changed for decades. And then, the earth will recover, you know, like it has for millennia.

I'm sorry, but the government grants funds to Universities and think tanks to search for data on climate change.

It's like taking your car to the mechanic. "Well, your do-hicky is broken and we need to fix it. $2000 please."

When someone is being paid to find specific answers, they produce them. In life we call that a "Conflict of Interest.." Because you won't hear someone who is paid to find climate change to stand up and put themselves out of work.

Fred..

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Yup, it is debunked because its cold at your house.

OK sure

And it is caused by mankind's increase in atmospheric CO2 because of the industrial revolution, when Earth began warming over 250 years BEFORE the height of the industrial revolution?...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

observe how as soon as the industrial revolution kicks off and CO2 emiisions explode, suddenly the earth starts warming at an incredible pace. But hey maybe its all a big coincidence?

what crazy is that according to the milankovitch cycles we should have been heading into an ice age right now and as you can see from the graph thats exactly what was happeing in the 1800s. Then...industrial revolutinon..and...boom!...hot as hell.

qph.fs.quoracdn.net...

As can be seen, there was a period of normal cooling up until about 1850, a few decades after the onset of the Industrial Revolution. Since then, the Average Temperature Anomaly for the planet has risen drastically, which signals that the Earth is heating exponentially. The amount of temperature change seen in the last 2 hundred years usually takes thousands of years to accumulate, and that is what makes today’s climate change different.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Learn the difference between climate and weather then get back to us.

This nonsense again ?

Without weather how would anything have a "climate".

More pseudo science gish gallop slop statements too boggle the mind.

Like Evolution believers that separate the beginnings as if it does not matter..

Like NIST not investigating anything BEFORE collapse..

Weather IS CLIMATE...it is ENTIRELY what defines the patterns we observe, the ULTIMATE and TOTAL descriptor of what happens in a said area.

LOL the weather is CHANGING IN A CLIMATE !!!

How can that BE !

MUST BE FILTHY HUMANS, huh..despite the lot of climate change nutters not believing in any other conspiracy...

LIBERAL LEFT LEANERS..the only ones who fully swallow ALL the tripe and lies told to them by friendly media for a solid 25 years now.

Incredible.

originally posted by: StoneCircles

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: StoneCircles

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: StoneCircles

I am using my brain.

That's why I remain a skeptic and refuse to blindly accept climate dogma.

It's not settled science, there are too many variables yet to be determined.

what variable then specifically?

How about the studies that show a cooling trend?


Why are those studies discounted?

because ALL the data says we are warming. Literally thats what the actual data says. You cant just make up data for a cooling when it doesn't exist.

NOPE, it does NOT.

a reply to: StoneCircles

Observe how every planet in the Solar System has been undergoing dramatic Climate Changes, and lo and behold in the form of warming. But hey, it is just a coincidence right?...

Not to mention, yet again, that the Earth started warming over 250 years BEFORE the height of the industrial revolution. Despite Al Gore's claims, and those of the AGWers, the geological history of Earth shows that temperatures always increase BEFORE atmospheric CO2 levels increase. The average time span is 800 years, but at times Earth's temperatures have risen 200 years before atmospheric CO2 levels increase.

Then there is the fact that Earth has been experiencing "other geological changes," including an increase in global seismic, and geothermal activity, the weakening of Earth's magnetic field, which became 10 times worse in 2014.

But hey, these are just "inconvenient coincidences" right?... Instead it must be the big bad CO2, which as a ghg exists only at 0.04% of all of Earth's atmospheric gases, and mankind's contribution is a lot less than 0.04%. Meanwhile "water vapor," compared to CO2 by molecule, is 10 times a more potent ghg and exists at the poles at 1% of all atmospheric gases, and at the equator water vapor exists at 4%-5% of all atmospheric gases.

Since Earth began warming in the early 1600s by "natural causes" the atmosphere has been able to contain more and more water vapor, which keeps warming the atmosphere.

Despite what the AGWers claim, in fact the Sun's activity had been the highest for most of the 20th century, and even for part of the 21st century, than at any other time in the past 8,000 years. But hey, it's just an " inconvenient coincidence" since the AGWers want to blame it all on mankind, so the left-wing agenda "to combat climate change" can be forced on the rest of us...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: StoneCircles

Observe how every planet in the Solar System has been undergoing dramatic Climate Changes, and lo and behold in the form of warming. But hey, it is just a coincidence right?...

this is not accurate and I challenge you to prove it

originally posted by: StoneCircles

this is not accurate and I challenge you to prove it

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Scientists find evidence of global warming on Mars

The article above is from May 2016. Mars has also been warming since at least 2001.

Climate Change on Jupiter.
Is shrinking superstorm evidence of climate change on Jupiter?

Climate change on Saturn.

The sudden warming of Saturn at least since 2004 which NASA could not truly explain.

The inexplicable enormous storms that appeared on a normally free storm Saturn but have appeared earlier than ever before.

And now.

Hexagon on Saturn: Nasa scientists ponder colour-changing north pole

Saturn's moon Titan also undergoing warming.
Is Titan Earth's evil twin? Saturn's moon has giant dunes made of METHANE that hint at dramatic global warming

The unexpected warm temperatures of Saturn's moon Enceladus.

Even Pluto and it's moon Charon some time ago started emitting more heat than their cores could produce, which seems to point to them just re-emitting heat they are absorbing from some other source.

Pluto is alive—but where is the heat coming from?

BTW, Pluto has been warming since at least the late 1980s.

Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

oh boy...

lets see, there was ice on Mars long long time ago and now there ins't...okay? and? so? Because there was ice on Mars that means humans dont have an impact on our climate? Makes no sense.

the Jupiter stuff just says that it has a dynamic atmosphere that changes over time. Okay, great. So what?

Same with Saturn.

you seem to be saying "because atmospheres and climates change on other planets therefore CO2 emissions cant possibly effect eaerth's climate"

that is completly silly. Of course climates change on other planets. So what?

That doesn't change the fact that CO2 emission trap heat on the earth's surface and Humans are by far the larges contributor of CO2 emssions over the last 2 centuries and we need to stop or disaster will strike.

"yeah but on Jupiter there's a storm!"

well bully for Jupiter! I fail to see how that relevant.

And furthermore none of that shows a consisten warming on other planets that parallels earth's warming. It just says that other planets have dynamic chaning atmospehre which is totally expected

a reply to: StoneCircles

Actually, he is saying that since climate is showing warming on other planets in our general vicinity, it would be reasonable to assume similar natural climate changes on the Earth. Natural as in not attributable to mankind.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

the fact that Mars had water a few million years ago does not "show warming" currently

Saturn and Jupiter - neither are warming, just says the storms and what not are changing. Okay, big deal.

and the Pluto one specifically says its seasonal, as in the seasons change and it warms up and cools off like any other planet.

In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit. Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled over the past 14 years, indicating a stark temperature rise, the researchers said. The change is likely a seasonal event, much as seasons on Earth change as the hemispheres alter their inclination to the Sun during the planet's annual orbit.

none of the links show consistent warming parallel to earth, not even close.

originally posted by: StoneCircles
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you seem to be saying "because atmospheres and climates change on other planets therefore CO2 emissions cant possibly effect eaerth's climate"

that is completly silly. Of course climates change on other planets. So what?

That doesn't change the fact that CO2 emission trap heat on the earth's surface and Humans are by far the larges contributor of CO2 emssions over the last 2 centuries and we need to stop or disaster will strike.
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First of all, What is completely silly is to claim that a BENIGN gas, which allowed life to exist on Earth, is the cause of climate change when water vapor is 10 times a more potent ghg, and water vapor exists at a much higher level on Earth's atmosphere than CO2 does. Yet AGWers like yourself want to blame it all not on natural CO2, but on the much smaller percentage which is anthropogenic...

I also find it ironic how AGWers like yourself leave out the fact that as Earth warms it "naturally" also releases gases like CO2. The increase in atmospheric CO2 for the past 100 years isn't only anthropogenic. Much of it is natural.

Second of all, we have only been monitoring mostly volcanoes on land, which are about 150-155, yet a few years back it was estimated that there are up to 3 million underwater volcanoes many of which are much bigger than any of their cousins on land. Although some studies estimate that the amount of hydrothermally active seamounts could reach as high as 10,000,000. Yep, you read that right, up to 10 million seamounts, or more, could be hydrothermally active.

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Analyses of satellite gravimetric and ship track data suggest that there could be as many as 10^5 seamounts having a radius of ≥ 3.5 km and height ≥ 2 km (Wessel, 2001), and perhaps 10^6 to 10^7 features > 100 m in height (Hillier and Watts, 2007).
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websites.pmc.ucsc.edu...

We have not been monitoring how much CO2 is emitted by most underwater volcanoes, or underwater vents which also emit CO2, and methane among other gases. To claim that mankind emits more CO2 than nature is an illogical claim based out of ignorance.