Crisis of Civilization in Mexico 250,000 Dead. 37,400 Missing

a reply to: game over man

Not only where they get their guns but more important where they sell their drugs to--their best customer the US population.

After enduring NAFTA, racism from Mexican officials, drug cartels, and now this, I hope the Zapatistas gain independence from these corrupt North American states one day.

a reply to: LordAhriman

That's somewhat misleading. From what I've read, the only place to legally purchase a firearm is government operated and located in Mexico City. Handguns are limited to calibers of .380 or smaller. Rifles are limited to .22 rimfire, without special dispensation for hunting abroad. Pretty much any shotgun, 12 ga or smaller is permitted. Those are some pretty serious limitations--particularly that of requiring a potential owner to travel to Mexico City.

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: infolurker
What do you get when you cross extreme corruption and gun control. You get Mexico (and surely much of Central and South America).

This is why we will hold on to our god given rights of self defense because it can and will happen. Especially with the up tick in corruption and lawlessness we have seen in the last decade in the United States.

Thought provoking article to say the least. When people have to make casts of their teeth so they can be identified because they know criminals or criminal police are coming for them and they cannot defend themselves.


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'It's a Crisis of Civilization in Mexico.' 250,000 Dead. 37,400 Missing.

Some 37,000 people in Mexico are categorized as “missing” by the government. The vast majority are believed to be dead, victims of the country’s spiraling violence that has claimed more than 250,000 lives since 2006. The country’s murder rate has more than doubled to 26 per 100,000 residents, five times the U.S. figure.

Because the missing aren’t counted as part of the country’s official murder tally, it is likely Mexico’s rate itself is higher.

The killing and the number of missing grow each year. Last year, 5,500 people disappeared, up from 3,400 in 2015. Mexico’s murders are up another 18% through September this year.

Victims’ families, mostly mothers, organize search parties, climbing down ravines or scouring trash dumps. Their technique is crude. Sometimes they hire laborers to hammer steel rods into the soil and haul them up to see if they smell like decomposition. Other times, they simply look for an exposed body part or shallow grave.

The sheer numbers of the disappeared now rival more famous cases of missing people in Latin American history.

And to make matters worse. Many of these are done by "agents of the state"

The main reason for not reporting is fear of reprisals by judicial authorities, criminals, and police, especially municipal police, who in many parts of Mexico collude with criminal gangs. The entire municipal police force in Acapulco was recently suspended on suspicion of cooperating with local gangs. Mexico’s navy now patrols the port city.

“In more than a third of all disappearances, the perpetrators are identified as agents of the state,” said Karina Ansolabehere, a researcher at México’s National Autonomous University, citing studies of some 1,500 disappearances in the border states of Nuevo León, Coahuila, and Tamaulipas. The studies draw from testimony by relatives of the victims who were able to identify the kidnappers.

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I'm shocked that only a few have read this OP.
Ten years ago, this would have generated more interest. Sad to see the de evolution.

ABC Nightline ran a segment on the horrible things happening to people in Central America due to Corruption and the Drug Trade. The number of tourists killed in Brazil is staggering.

a reply to: Inconceivable

Yes, they could be dead too. The major problem with revolts? The ruling class likes it's power. And kills to keep it. And usually fixes it so they have the guns.

A major 2nd amendment argument. To keep it from happening here.

a reply to: ntech

Anyone who wants to "nuke gun owners" (like Swalwell) or other abhorrent things to non-State actors with guns, needs to be kept as far away from high office as humanly possible. Unfortunately that is not where we are right now, and most governments across the planet are corrupt and evil because humanity does not into #ing governing itself.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: infolurker

How can we know they're missing?
Maybe they snuck across the border and are now living in California?

Because their family report them missing? You think this is all a big joke or something?

originally posted by: Inconceivable
Wow. That is really bad and heartbreaking.

Perhaps if those caravans with the thousands upon thousands of capable, able bodied people-(especially the Males between the ages of 18-35 who are the majority), would only stand up for their own country and fight to get rid of all of the lawlessness like countless other citizens of other countries including the USA have done in the past, we wouldn't be hearing these kinds of stories.

Your asking way to much for these simple live off the land types.

You can give them all the money and resources in the world and it wouldn't help

There is a specific reason why their countires look the way they do.

a reply to: infolurker

Great work by the CIA.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Legalizing & regulating drugs in the US is the only way to stabilize this situation... 

Yep. As a heroin addict in recovery, with a high IQ also, I agree 100%. (meaning i have a lot of experience with addicts and addictions, and i also have a keen eye for problem solving)

Basically the same amount of people (probably a little less actually) would be using drugs, the only difference would be that we get those billions in drug profits rather than criminals who hate us. Of course for drugs that are highly addictive like opiates we would give that away for nearly free (at a clinic that is oriented towards education, harm reduction and providing escape routes for people ready to quit...yes as rediculous as that sounds it would be a Huge improvement from our current situation) as that would eliminate ths crimes people commit to get drug money, the only people panhandling for money would be someone who really needs money for medicine, or a roof over their heads.

An addict will cost society hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars seeking out a dose that would cost us less than a dollar or two to manufacture.

People have been getting high since the stoned age. It's normal!!!!!!!

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

So Mexico should want to build a wall

Or just legalize drugs

I really don't think a wall is going to be a deterrent on a nearly half a trillion dollar industry... I doubt legalizing drugs in Mexico would have much effect either, since they would still have to illegally import their product into the US.

The bloody Mexican drug war would just go on as normal.

Seems like its entirely in the US governments hands to end this mess. Legalizing & regulating drugs in the US is the only way to stabilize this situation... imo

Too late.

The cartels have reached a point where they own legitimate businesses and operations, providing jobs to locals.
They also don't deal strictly in drugs anymore, so its a lame argument. Should we legalize human trafficking?

Drugs make up the bulk of their profits. It would be a Huge blow to the cartels and I suspect they would even assassinate politicians in America if they even Tried to legalize all drugs.

You're NOT ALLOWED to legalize drugs. Ths cartels would not allow you to.

How's that?