Something happening in Haiti...NSFW

a reply to: toysforadults

Yes and who do we have to thank for this odumo and his odumocare bailout of insurance scams I meant industry. But yes we need to hear what is happening to Haiti they are one of our close neighbors and we might need to help them out

This is seriously weird... never seen this before. Not only are the MSM not covering this, but I have been trying all day to find corroborating evidence. I finally came across a single page, here . It's in French, and the typical "Translate this page" link in Google isn't there. Putting the address into Google Translate causes a redirection error... apparently it's trying to treat the link as text instead of translating the page.

I copied and pasted the headline into Google Translate and got this:

Haiti-Demonstration of November 18: the heart of Port-au-Prince pulsates to the rhythm of a morning like no other

Quite a vague headline... so I tried the same thing with the first paragraph, and was politely informed that right-click was disabled. CTR-C didn't work either. Now my curiosity is peaked... I go to the source of the page and copy from there, The following is the Google Translate English version of the story:

In the streets, a few pedestrians are already in circulation while it is barely 6 hours. At each corner, a group of curious people is massing. People are already watching and questioning the turning point that this historic day can take.

The few public transport vehicles noticed, are not enough to help recognize the streets of Delmas, Petionville as they are deserted.

Companies have their doors locked. Even public service institutions, some of which have not opened their hospitals

Police patrols go back and forth. They give the impression that something unusual is going to happen in the biggest city of the country. At each intersection, police officers from almost every unit are stationed.

Here, everything suggests that the day of November 18, day marking the 215 years of the Battle of Vertières will be bubbling.

The PetroChallengers are still waiting on the tarmac to give the coup de send. Their goal, as it has been since last August, remains unchanged: to demand explanations on the questionable use of funds from the PetroCaribe development assistance program.

OK, so what is the Petro-Caribe development assistance program?

Well, for starters, it is administered by the Jamaica Social Investment Fund (JSIF). The JSIF is a charity distribution fund that supports various projects. This particular one is supported by the Petro Caribe Development Fund, which is shown as ending in August of last year.

That makes no sense either. It ended over a year ago, and now there's some uprising?

Yet another Google search led me to this page from Haiti-Liberte entitled, ominously enough, How Washington and Big Oil Fought PetroCaribe in Haiti. It's a very long page, but here's a couple of excerpts I found very interesting:

Under the current PetroCaribe terms, Haiti pays up front 40% to 70% of the value of the petroleum products it imports from Venezuela – asphalt, 91 and 95 octane gas, heavy fuel oil (mazout), diesel and kerosene – with the remaining 60% to 30% paid over 25 years, with a two year grace period, at an annual interest rate of 1%.

The U.S. Embassy’s campaign against the South-South cooperation represented by PetroCaribe – which provides such obvious benefits for Haiti – reveal the ugly nature and true intentions of "Haiti's most important and reliable bi-lateral partner," as Sanderson calls the U.S.

"We have been on the wrong road for the past 25 years," Martelly recently declared, placing Haiti's wrong turn, in his opinion, at about the time of the U.S.-backed Duvalier dictatorship's fall and the emergence of the democratic nationalist movement that became know as the Lavalas. Martelly had a pre-inauguration meeting not with Venezuela's Foreign Minister, but with that of Colombia, whose development plan he has said he will emulate.

His reception by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, after his highly controversial and fraud-marred election, was exceedingly warm.

Martelly is also described as a long-time Miami resident with open disdain for the Haitian people.

I find several things troubling over this story... first and foremost the fact that it is so well-hidden. I had to go to a page source to find out what to even search for, because I don't speak French (as most Americans), on a webpage that had a very vague headline and was the only timely link I found through a Google search hours after the incident was supposed to take place. I believe I could type the words "Trump is really Martha Stewart in reverse drag" into a Google box and get more recent hits, with most of them having a translation link beside them.

That's the second troubling thing... not only was there no translation link, but Google refused to translate the page and even directly copying into the translator was blocked. I doubt many people would think of retrieving the page source and poring over the whole thing in a search for the text of the story, especially since it was well-buried in a long source full of advertising links and _javascripts.

And the third troubling thing is the tie to oil from Venezuela and the mention of the infamous Hillary Clinton. We have all heard rumors of her misdeeds in Haiti.

Is it possible this attempted coup was a response to interference from the US and the Clintons during the Obama administration, and - perhaps most troubling of all - exposes American interference in the socialistic catastrophe that befell Venezuela?

If it is, this is pretty darn big. I'm still digging, but this is not something I have been closely following before today so any assistance is appreciated. I don't even know if the coup attempt was tried or was successful.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck
Honestly I really don't feel there is much to this story other than some protestors marking their independence day. The Petro caribe matter is a separate issue that is maybe adding some fuel to the fire. But i find it harrd to believe that a planned coup in Haiti can be scrubbed from the internet, but not bomb making know how, tours through arms bazaars in Pakistan, images of Chinese foreign bases, Chinese tests of abm's and alleged hypersonic glide vehicles and skir.ishes between Turkish backed fighters and Americans troops.

But a coup attempt in a backwater Carribean island state is the priority to keep under wraps from the internet?? It's impossible to find because it probably is not there is my opinion.

Notice there is no shortage of info on the Petro caribe matter on its own, or the summer riots due to imf strong arming. This is just local hype of a regular demonstration. Seems pretty simple to me.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Maybe you're right... but when was the last time you saw any commotion anywhere in the world scrubbed from the Internet... in the US of all places... and one article in French that can't be translated left?

I've never seen that. I see stories about a guy jaywalking on Pakistan if I look hard enough.

I'm researching into Venezuela's collapse now... interesting timeline.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Maybe you're right... but when was the last time you saw any commotion anywhere in the world scrubbed from the Internet... in the US of all places... and one article in French that can't be translated left?

I've never seen that. I see stories about a guy jaywalking on Pakistan if I look hard enough.

I'm researching into Venezuela's collapse now... interesting timeline.

TheRedneck

Well if I remember correctly, it was the time that Soros got caught red-handed trying to crash an economy. So if the CGI is involved in this, and it points to a global crisis, well I'm sure Soros is involved, and as we've seen before in the past when the Clintons and Soros are involved in something the media seems to walk away.

The Miami Herald has this:

Nov. 19--As Haiti commemorated the 215th anniversary of its decisive battle against the French with nationwide protests Sunday, the country continued its downward tumble under President Jovenel Moïse as the embattled leader broke with tradition to commemorate the historic victory leading to Haitian independence.
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Moïse's words, however, did little to dissuade Haitians across the country from taking to the streets. Billed as an anti-corruption march to demand accountability from Haiti's political class, accused of squandering billions of dollars in proceeds from Venezuela's discounted PetroCaribe oil program, the demonstrations also turned into a referendum on the inexperienced president and his ability to lead Haiti out of its current political and economic morass.
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Just as they did last month on Oct 17, protesters gathered at various points across the capital with signs demanding to know Kot Kob Petwo Karibe a? -- "Where is the PetroCaribe money." But along with the slogan "stop them," in reference to the accused, there were also chants of "Down with Moïse" as some demanded that his departure from office and replacement by a judge on the Supreme Court.
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Just as they did last month on Oct 17, protesters gathered at various points across the capital with signs demanding to know Kot Kob Petwo Karibe a? -- "Where is the PetroCaribe money." But along with the slogan "stop them," in reference to the accused, there were also chants of "Down with Moïse" as some demanded that his departure from office and replacement by a judge on the Supreme Court.
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Complicating matters is that the president's woes are all happening in the context of the PetroCaribe corruption scandal and the reality that Haitian government has virtually no material resources to use to pacify the country.

Anti-corruption protest in Haiti turns into referendum on Haitian president

Hard to tell from this story but it seems as though this is something of an ongoing problem for Moïse.

Just type "haiti" into twitter and you can find a LOT of video in posts from today.


Now Yahoo! is reporting on it, but it's rather subdued.

Gunfire from military trucks aimed at people on road (maybe protesters?) - twitter.com...

Port Au Prince on fire - twitter.com...

This isn't worth international coverage? - twitter.com...

Military firing on protesters (graphic) - twitter.com...




This is being covered up.

Hopes to the people of Haiti, and the servicemen sent there to help get Americans to safety. Troubled times ahead, no matter the reason.

Twitter doesn’t seem to have a great way to profit from its business model but I hope it never goes away bc it tends to be the fastest way for the world to see video evidence of current events. I hope those people can win against the tyranny they are facing. Also noted that most comments on Twitter regarding this situation are tying it to the CF.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Lab4Us

50% of our entire workforce is working poor I don't care if you are comparing them to poor people in haiti it doesn't matter and it's a false equivilancey

those 50% of people can't afford both medical coverage and housing at the same time without having a second job so you tell me how they feel

keep thinking your on an island and parroting platitudes don't bother me a bit

Yeah so lets let in millions of uneducated illegals that will come in and work for dirt cheap so it will further drag down the pay rates of the poor people right? Lets drag them down further into poverty by allowing the big corporations to import dirt cheap labor from other countries. Lets drag the pay rates down by not enforcing our immigration laws and allowing 50 MILLION illegals to remain in the country, most of who work the same jobs as the poor people but do it for dirt cheap so they bring down the overall pay rates for labor right?

Let me tell you something about the chickens coming home to roost. WE are the chickens, this is OUR home and we have guns, lots of guns and ammo, and we are the citizens of this country, and that you are correct, we will come home to roost when it comes time. You can bet your last dollar on that one little buddy.

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: KansasGirl

It always looks like that. Haiti especially port au prince is a very dirty city/ country. I was deployed there back in 04 with 3/8 during the Aristide problem and it looked the same then as now.

Dang 😳

a reply to: Tempter


Be warned people;

Hati is an example of what will happen to any country if not enough people take an interest in the affairs of state in their country and accept some responsibility for bringing their government under control.

If the masses cannot see they are being deliberately distracted by matters of no consequence by that rectangular weapon of mass deceit, deception and distraction then sooner or later their country will become another Hati.

Television is the most effective weapon that has ever been invented. Not all wars are fought with guns and bullets.

As someone in history said; those who have no interest in politics will always be ruled by those who have.

More white genocide?

originally posted by: Bloodworth
More white genocide?

Always someone with race. Whether its a dem looking to cry about black lives, or repubs trying to cry about mah precious white lives.

This is about a country being butchered by its government over 2 billion+ dollars that were stolen/misused out of a petrocalibre fund. Read the f*ing OP first next time.

originally posted by: Iconic

originally posted by: Bloodworth
More white genocide?

Always someone with race. Whether its a dem looking to cry about black lives, or repubs trying to cry about mah precious white lives.

This is about a country being butchered by its government over 2 billion+ dollars that were stolen/misused out of a petrocalibre fund. Read the f*ing OP first next time.

Its Africa, most people are surprised by the corruption and loss of money.
What 5he Clintons did during natural disasters was 10x worse.

You can give Africa all the money and aid in the world and it wont do jack.

There is a reason why some civilizations can develop their countries and others cannot

a reply to: Bloodworth

Its Africa...

In my timeline, Haiti is part of an island chain in the Caribbean.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Iconic

originally posted by: Bloodworth
More white genocide?

Always someone with race. Whether its a dem looking to cry about black lives, or repubs trying to cry about mah precious white lives.

This is about a country being butchered by its government over 2 billion+ dollars that were stolen/misused out of a petrocalibre fund. Read the f*ing OP first next time.

Its Africa, most people are surprised by the corruption and loss of money.
What 5he Clintons did during natural disasters was 10x worse.

You can give Africa all the money and aid in the world and it wont do jack.

There is a reason why some civilizations can develop their countries and others cannot

I think you need to develop a better understanding of Geography. Haiti is NOT in Africa. God help us for the ignorance.

Wow, lots of Clinton references on Twitter. Seems Hillary's brother probably stole all the $20 billion in gold.

www.dailymail.co.uk... er-earthquake-devastation.html

www.nbcnews.com...


Corruption must be epic, which is why the caravan left....they knew something was coming.

originally posted by: DoubleDNH

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Iconic

originally posted by: Bloodworth
More white genocide?

Always someone with race. Whether its a dem looking to cry about black lives, or repubs trying to cry about mah precious white lives.

This is about a country being butchered by its government over 2 billion+ dollars that were stolen/misused out of a petrocalibre fund. Read the f*ing OP first next time.

Its Africa, most people are surprised by the corruption and loss of money.
What 5he Clintons did during natural disasters was 10x worse.

You can give Africa all the money and aid in the world and it wont do jack.

There is a reason why some civilizations can develop their countries and others cannot

I think you need to develop a better understanding of Geography. Haiti is NOT in Africa. God help us for the ignorance.

Lol , same difference.

Its like someone saying Somali is corrupt.

No crap. Its Somalia.

Haitians have a long history of corruption

a reply to: Tempter
We cannot say for sure who the soldiers were firing on. They seemingly ignore the cameraman and are firing off screen. For all we know they were being violently attacked. I am all for their freedom of expression, hell that is one massive demonstration honestly. But the video clip lacks context to draw proper conclusions. Nobody was aiming at the cameraman.

For all we know they were firing on people trying to lynch others , or prevent someone from being set on fire (I have seen videos of that not just from Haiti but DR as well). I have to reserve my judgement on the soldiers until there is a clearer picture of who was being fired on and why. After all the first round of videos with dead bodies were flood casualties being misrepresented as police brutality, so there is some level of misinformation going on. I cannot assume they were randomly firing on protestors without more data.

I have to go to a funeral in a bit, I will see if I can embedded some videos later. It certainly seems now there is some civil unrest occurring for sure.