War waged from space? -CA wildfires, PG&E accepts blame for 2017 fires

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Phage

I'll take a CIA doc over a blogpost for source any day and the text describes what the author calls scalar waves so take it up with Mr. Beardon.

Americanloons?
Are they on lake Wobegone?

What CIA doc?


Is this an "FBI doc?"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Many many years ago I remember Thousand Oaks and the surrounding area being referred to as "Porn Valley". I remember reading that the vast amount of porn that existed came from that area.

Maybe all of this selective total destruction we are seeing has a purpose. Maybe evidence is being destroyed.

That is the biggest and wildest thought I will put out there.

To add insult to injury -
wildfire victims prevented from returning over health concerns
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Agenda 21 ?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

No. Because of the dangerous chemicals formed from the combustion of materials....

Cancer Is the Biggest Killer of America's Firefighters

www.google.com... Fcancer-biggest-killer-america-s-firefighters-n813411&psig=AOvVaw0pelGYsAYqDIbRUnHpswrv&ust=1543149469270271

“We're seeing a lot of younger members in their 40s, early 40s, who've got 20 years on the job, who are developing these cancers at a very young age,” Finn told NBC News.

Break

Researchers say one big reason for the change is that firefighters today are fighting very different blazes. Modern homes and businesses full of synthetics, plastics and chemicals that can explode much faster and coat firefighters in a toxic soot.

Agenda 21....

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st century. It has been affirmed and had a few modifications at subsequent UN conferences. Its aim is achieving global sustainable development.

So agenda 21 is being supposedly implemented by the government by massive burns that result in creating toxic areas by the burning of homes containing synthetic materials, fires that destroy the topsoil, fire fighting efforts that disturbe the topsoil to protect suburban homes, and result in massive landslides when the rain comes. In areas that never could support massive amounts of wildlife like a rainforest? Or even a midwestern forest.

Don’t you think it’s a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water?

en.m.wikipedia.org...

"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" is an idiomatic expression for an avoidable error in which something good is eliminated when trying to get rid of something bad, or in other words, rejecting the favorable along with the unfavorable.[1][2][3]

A slightly different explanation suggests this flexible catchphrase has to do with discarding the essential while retaining the superfluous because of excessive zeal.[4][A]

Nice that your contradictions debunked your own theories.

Wait for it. The never ending posts and rants that you cannot be wrong, while your ignore actual facts and logic......

The landscape around LA was never designed to support massive amounts of life.

My husband and I fell asleep to YouTube the other night and just happened to be listening to one of those videos you posted about the California wildfires and laser beams from space causing them. I have been fascinated ever since. This conspiracy theory, like the one about 9/11....is one that I happen to actually think is most probably true. I remember the first time I read something about man being able to control the weather and then I started to read about warfare via weather: hurricanes and typhoons, droughts, etc......it certainly makes perfect sense to use lasers since I actually dated a man in the early 1990's who was a Marine Corp pilot who did top secret type work with lasers in the cockpit and their application in warfare. (I caught him having an affair with the ophthalmologist he was working with at the time! Ahhhh Desert Shield and the memories that came with it....) I also worked for many years in surgical ophthalmology. Know a bit about laser wavelengths and medical applications for them. I know one thing for sure, if the electric goes out in my house all of the sudden, I may just get the heck outta there.........(though not much on the desert burns....nothing but dust and scorpions out here

Very awesome post.

a reply to: Cornczech

Why would the government use lasers when fires are already started by lightning, arson, or accidentally by human activity. Again, billion dollar solution to initiate events that will and do happen without billion dollar technology?

This is more about you needing something or someone in control and blame. You not being able to accep that bad crap really does happen randomly in the universe. Everything from the Carr fire started by sparks from a car, to meteorites hitting planets, to stars that can emit a gamma burst that can wipe life from a whole solar system, to blackholes the suck in whole star systems.

www.google.com... t%2F2018%2F11%2F13%2F18092580%2Fparadise-california-wildfire-2018&psig=AOvVaw0b4_qqEXHjrUGb08zxt_cB&ust=1543155567196337

In the case of the Carr Fire, investigators blame sparks from a broken down car. The Camp Fire may have started from sparking power lines.

Has governments been responsible for greater loss of life, yes. But why use a billion dollar satellite, risk discovery of the technology, when something as random as lighting will cause wildfires? And to what end? By the government that is already in control?

BTW
70 mph winds are the source for the devastation.

a reply to: neutronflux

I don't see the contradiction if the idea is to push people off the land.
Looks to be happening to me.
Maybe you need to educate yourself on what Agenda 21 and 2030 are before spouting off how it's just not possible.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Damn that agenda 21!

Butte County is working with state and federal partners who will individually assess each property and remove all hazardous wastes from the property. There is no estimate as to how long this process will take. After the property has been cleared for re-entry, property owners can sign up to have debris removed by the state for free.

krcrtv.com...

a reply to: Chadwickus

Don't want trash in their new wildlife areas now would they?
that's all the help they'll get from government.
Everything else will be problems and promises that turn to nothing.
No way to tell for years here so it's kind of a moot argument for a while.
Until the rebuilding if any is over.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

You don’t understand that burning homes create toxic chemicals and chemical poisons? You don’t understand that destroying large amounts of forests results in landslides and erosion of vital topsoil? That bulldozing and creating fire breaks causes further damages topsoil and the ecosystem.

Or you just cannot admit that your supposed implementation of Agenda 21 makes no sense when the supposed means requires destroying large amounts of forests, burning homes that created toxins and poisons, destroys topsoil, and results in landslides, and erosion of topsoil in a delicate ecosystem?

Never mind the CO2 generated by large wildfires?

How does burning thousands of acres of forest for a lack of a better term fit with agenda 21?

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.

And

Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.

So? Agenda 21 is being implemented by making people homeless, burning homes creating toxic chemicals, burning forests to create CO2, and the deforestation of large amounts of land by erosion of topsoil and landslides?

Fires' Long-Term Impact On Environment
www.cbsnews.com...

The wildfires could leave a legacy of environmental devastation that will be evident for years to come, scientists say, especially in areas that have been scorched several times recently. Some of the damage may never be reversed.

Invasive weeds and grasses could crowd out native plants and shrubs, accelerating erosion and leading to more frequent wildfires.

Pine stands that have been a signature feature of many mountainside communities could become just a memory in places.

Small birds, rabbits and other animals dependent on California's rapidly disappearing native vegetation will struggle to maintain a foothold, while some endangered species will find themselves locked into increasingly imperiled islands of refuge.

This is just strange as #

Figured I would add this video showing satellite imagery from when the fire started. The video displays the RAMMB slider available from the Cooperative Institute for Research in the Atmosphere - www.cira.colostate.edu...

RAMMB direct link rammb.cira.colostate.edu...

I don't know what some of the images are showing besides smoke or clouds. What is shown are some strange dots and squares around where the fire begins. The imagery from the fire itself is very strange and shows a cloud or trail of some sort that rises very high in the atmosphere, long enough to cast a shadow many miles in length. Any information about what is displayed would be most welcome. Make of this what you will;

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Asktheanimals


How does burning thousands of acres of forest for a lack of a better term fit with agenda 21?

by ruining private property and forcing people to leave owned homes and resettle into (easier-to-control) cities?

try building on any land remotely wet, or possessing some endangered animal.

hits the forestry industry too.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Again, by creating environmental devastation that ruins thousands of acres of soil for native plants and wildlife. Makes the soil more susceptible to mudslides and topsoil erosion. While releasing CO2 and toxic chemicals from the burning of homes that are poisonous?

Did you ready anything I cited? You cannot redistribute land back to the natural wildlife if you ruin the lands ability to support the native wildlife, and destroy the local ecosystem....

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ElGoobero

Again, by creating environmental devastation that ruins thousands of acres of soil for native plants and wildlife. Makes the soil more susceptible to mudslides and topsoil erosion. While releasing CO2 and toxic chemicals from the burning of homes that are poisonous?

Did you ready anything I cited? You cannot redistribute land back to the natural wildlife if you ruin the lands ability to support the native wildlife, and destroy the local ecosystem....

not that I believe in A21
but just for the sake of argument
do you think anyone involved cares about animals?
its about people control.

a reply to: neutronflux

ElGoobero is correct about the motivations; it's not to save nature but to get rid of and control people. Agenda 2021 and 2030 aren't about "saving the planet" or "justice" or any of the nicey nice words they use. That is just cover for regulations and agreements to control people by controlling all resources.

Fire is a natural part of the ecosystem there, in fact Redwoods need it to kill off competition for their seedlings. The very common tan oaks are just as fire resistant as Redwoods if not more so. Both evolved within a fire-cycle ecology typical of California.

As for post - fire toxins I need to look in to that. Some will burn off but others likely created so I'm sure there are some issues there worth looking to.

a reply to: Asktheanimals


Haven't seen one thread of evidence that anything like this is in orbit not one, plenty of research papers etc saying how it could be done but none in the current time frame this would be e really long term project and any solar array to gather worthwhile amounts of energy would have been spotted.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Hello, it’s been posted? Do you only read good work postings....

You

Fire is a natural part of the ecosystem there, in fact Redwoods need it to kill off competition for their seedlings. The very common tan oaks are just as fire resistant as Redwoods if not more so. Both evolved within a fire-cycle ecology typical of California.

After the fact this was posted

Fires' Long-Term Impact On Environment
www.cbsnews.com...

The wind-driven infernos that are scarring vast swaths of Southern California's landscape may leave more than just a temporary path of destruction when they are finally extinguished.
The wildfires could leave a legacy of environmental devastation that will be evident for years to come, scientists say, especially in areas that have been scorched several times recently. Some of the damage may never be reversed.

Invasive weeds and grasses could crowd out native plants and shrubs, accelerating erosion and leading to more frequent wildfires.

Pine stands that have been a signature feature of many mountainside communities could become just a memory in places.

Small birds, rabbits and other animals dependent on California's rapidly disappearing native vegetation will struggle to maintain a foothold, while some endangered species will find themselves locked into increasingly imperiled islands of refuge.

How is burning homes full of synthetic material releasing toxic chemicals part of nature?

Special Report: The Toxic Chemicals In Modern-Day Fires
Firefighters Need Funding For Equipment to Limit Exposure
www.fox21online.com...
According to a study from the CDC, about 68 percent of firefighters end up getting cancer compared to around 22 percent of the general public. At this point there isn’t a lot of information yet about how all of these firefighters are coming down with different kinds of cancer, but research points to some of the toxins released into the air when a house goes up in flames.

You again

ElGoobero is correct about the motivations; it's not to save nature but to get rid of and control people

Because getting rid of people helps the tax base how?

Agenda 21 is a non-binding action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1]

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Agenda 21 is a 350-page document divided into 40 chapters that have been grouped into 4 sections:

Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.
Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.
Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups includes the roles of children and youth, women, NGOs, local authorities, business and industry, and workers; and strengthening the role of indigenous peoples, their communities, and farmers.
Section IV: Means of Implementation includes science, technology transfer, education, international institutions and financial mechanisms.

I am not a big fan of the UN.

But your arguments are based on being uneducated, half truths, and falsehoods.

One more video to add that shows how guardrails along roads were burned off their supports while brush and thin twigs nearby weren't burned through. To get right to the point these guardrails are held up by 10" wooden posts with 8 x 8" wooden blocks between the post the and rail. Holding them all together are 20" long bolts with the head holding the rail and the shaft going through the block and the post with a plate, a washer and nut holding it tight.

How on Earth can 8" x 8" wood blocks burn completely through in a moving brush fire? The fact is these bolts are electro-magnetic conductors which burn the wood from the inside out. Normal fires would not do this showing further proof of directed energy weapons.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Really. Then way was the paint not burned off the road sign. When was the galvanizing not burnt off the guard rails? Your video debunks itself.

You don’t get the difference from trying to burn hardwood greenwood vs. dead dried out pine treated lumber possible loaded up with creosote?

Quick web search info


It is easily set on fire and does not dissolve easily in water. Coal tar and coal tar pitch are the by-products of the high-temperature treatment of coal to make coke or natural gas. ... Coal tar creosote is the most widely used wood preservative in the United States.
www.atsdr.cdc.gov...