Is voting for Republicans or Democrats worthless?

a reply to: Grambler

Well, now we have a Socialist, Ocasio, who seems to know nothing about how the world works, elected to the House of Representatives, and the House has a Dem. majority. Ocasio as an elected Representative is frustrating for me because of the many times she has proven she doesn't get how economics/social systems work, but now she's in.

Regardless of that, I think the false left-right paradigm is working better than ever and people in my community are all brainwashed, sticking to party lines.

I kid you not, I heard a co-worker talking to his child on the phone saying "If you want some guidance, we vote Democrat because any vote Democrat is a vote against Trump and his team. If you don't vote, you're voting for whoever everyone else wants"

That's probably a typical mindset - vote "BLUE" or "RED" depending on who you DON'T LIKE. Makes me sick to be honest.

a reply to: FamCore

Uh the system was set up in case you didnt like the president.


That is why the midterms are set up the way they are.

It let's the president know as well.

a reply to: DBCowboy


It's like those tween books where everyone was either on Team Necrophile or Team Bestiality, the result was still the same, all you did was make Stephenie Meyer richer.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I can think a few books that divide the population. Some are taken rather seriously.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

Ron Paul was a token renegade.

He was chosen to give the impression that there are "outsiders" in DC.

I disagree.

Chosen by who?

I think he was an outsider who realized he had a far better chance of meaningful change by running as a republican than losing as an independent.

But according to the logic I see in this thread, he should have been rejected for being a republican, thus allowing the establishment candidates to maintain sole control over the two parties and our system.

People like Paul are what we refer to as a "Loss Leader".


"a product sold at a loss to attract customers."


It's what I call "The Black Friday Paradigm".


To get customers, people in, a party or company will promote just about anything, and once the people are in, it's that much easier to keep them in.

Ron Paul is basically a 50" tv selling at 350.00

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: DBCowboy


It's like those tween books where everyone was either on Team Necrophile or Team Bestiality, the result was still the same, all you did was make Stephenie Meyer richer.

Again, so its like you chose to then buy I hate team necrophile and bestiality t shirts, which are still owned by stephanie meyer.

Only you get to feel super good about yourself for being better than the losers who picked a side.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: DBCowboy


It's like those tween books where everyone was either on Team Necrophile or Team Bestiality, the result was still the same, all you did was make Stephenie Meyer richer.

I was always "Team Bicycle Pants".

originally posted by: luthier
I can think a few books that divide the population. Some are taken rather seriously.

50 Shades of S***?

a reply to: DBCowboy

So I assume that you voted for no republicans then.

Strange considering your posts going in to tgbe leection.

Why even bother to ever posyt anything about the dems at all? They are just the same as republicans, so why play the game?

As far as paul, I disagree.

Paul could have acheived real change, he was stymied by establishment republicans.

To not vote for him becuase an r was beside his name and claim that makes him establishment seems counter productive and inaccurate to me.

originally posted by: Grambler
Again, so its like you chose to then buy I hate team necrophile and bestiality t shirts, which are still owned by stephanie meyer.

Only you get to feel super good about yourself for being better than the losers who picked a side.

Yup. I mocked those asstards just like I do with politics.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

More along the lines of X men and heavy metal.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Grambler
Again, so its like you chose to then buy I hate team necrophile and bestiality t shirts, which are still owned by stephanie meyer.

Only you get to feel super good about yourself for being better than the losers who picked a side.

Yup. I mocked those asstards just like I do with politics.

Mocking is fine.

But by withdrawing from the process, that doesnt make you any better or smarter than those who particpate.

a reply to: Grambler

S&F

Is voting for Republicans or democrats worthless? No. At this current time, voting for a third party is worthless because it takes votes away from the other guy and we haven't reached a point where Americans favor a third party candidate enough to vote him in.

originally posted by: Grambler
Mocking is fine.

But by withdrawing from the process, that doesnt make you any better or smarter than those who particpate.

Who said I withdrew anything? I still vote in every single election. I just don't vote for Republicrats since I'm not interested in pulling the lever for the status quo.

a reply to: Grambler

Paul had college kids coming to see him everywhere.

Now college kids go nuts and riot over ben shapiro who is fairly strait forward conservative.

The Republicans truly mangled the youth vote there.

Now poor rand the extremist calls for freezing spending, not even cutting, and he becomes the court jester of his party.

I personally only care about fiscal and liberty issues so I certai ly feel there isn't a mainstream party for that. Republicans are in no way fiscally conservative. They actually cut revenues while increasing spending, which in some twilight zone seems less conservative than raising taxes to pay for your debts.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Grambler
Mocking is fine.

But by withdrawing from the process, that doesnt make you any better or smarter than those who particpate.

Who said I withdrew anything? I still vote in every single election. I just don't vote for Republicrats since I'm not interested in pulling the lever for the status quo.

Oh so then you vote for establishment candidates from third parties.

Yep,. big differnce there!

You are not temm wolf or vampire, you are team human, and still pumping your money to stephanie meyer!

But man, you sure showed her by not being team wolf or vampire like all of those morns! She will probably HATE spending your money!

originally posted by: Grambler
Oh so then you vote for establishment candidates from third parties.

I guess that's you trying to be clever but if a Third Party were establishment it wouldn't be a third party anymore.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Grambler
Oh so then you vote for establishment candidates from third parties.

I guess that's you trying to be clever but if a Third Party were establishment it wouldn't be a third party anymore.

And if ron paul were establishment then the establishment wouldnt have purposefully screwed him over.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Grambler

S&F

Is voting for Republicans or democrats worthless? No. At this current time, voting for a third party is worthless because it takes votes away from the other guy and we haven't reached a point where Americans favor a third party candidate enough to vote him in.

Voting is not worthless. People supporting 3rd parties 8s the only way to bring the message out since there is no super packs.


Voting is personal and only not voting is detrimental in the sense that it allows extremism a larger voice. If all the normal people dont vote because they are normal and dont want to join a political tribe, only extreme views will be voting.

If a third party gets a tough votes to swing an election future candidates will look at how they can sway those voters with some of the ideas presented...

A lot of rural Republican areas have significant libertarian philosophy in the population. Even vermont or new Mexico blue states do.

That helps drive policy believe it or not.

originally posted by: Grambler
And if ron paul were establishment then the establishment wouldnt have purposefully screwed him over.

If Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian the Republican Party couldn't have screwed him over.