More people arrested in the UK over......a Joke.

originally posted by: six67seven
And to think they would've gotten away with this heinous crime if the evidence wasn't posted to the internet.

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Just to clarify what's been said so far, it wasn't a crime until posted on the Internet.

Wow!

Yes it's a disgusting video, but for them to be arrested is far more disgusting.

Thought police in the UK in 2018?

The problem is that those in power at the moment determine what speech to punish. Power shifts over time, but the laws remain in place to be used as weapons. People there should be rioting in the streets, but people are easily manipulated using their emotions. It may seem OK since the speech is so vile, but the long term consequences of controlling speech go far beyond one event.

A question I'm curious about. I can stand in front of the White House or anywhere the President or elected official is and call them names or make fun of them and nothing will happen to me. Is it the same there? Can you shout the Queen is and idiot in front of her face or call a member of Parliament a pile of crap and know you won't be punished for it? How much free speech do you have in the UK? Or do you have to whisper behind closed doors to avoid punishment?

a reply to: Blaine91555

Yeah, they handed themselves in to the police

but its fun to get outraged over liberties being restricted in the over zealous police state of United Kingdom

a reply to: djz3ro

A video or a post on the Internet is speech is it not?

What about the written word in a book?

moronic and in terrible taste, this.

What is
more moronic in my view is the fact that the police sought fit to arrest them, hold them for hours, perform at least one house search and release them pending further enquiries.

As sick as these idiots were, those who reported them to the cops and the actual cops that decided to go waste at least one work day with these fools while knife crime in London is an actual big deal, are far worse.

Well how about this as a hate crime. Make a lifelike effigy, and burn it on a fire and celebrate the fact you are burning a Catholic. In fact encourage children to celebrate the burning of a person. Don't like that!!!
That's bonfire night all over Britain. Why aren't Catholics up in arms about this continued travesty.

Arrest is going way too far. Of course it was in bad taste and for their age to do that downright shameful. Is it racist or at least boarder on it, probably so considering the majority of those who perished in the fire. With similar situation in the US, if it was determined to fall into a hate crime then there's the consideration of arrest however it did not harm anyone besides viewers watching it.

Also, there are plenty of offensive memes, likely videos as well or at least ones that speculate a race is responsible for them, about 9/11 for example- as well as racial memes all over the net. Should those be tracked down and the author of the memes be held accountable by fines and or arrest?

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Should those be tracked down and the author of the memes be held accountable by fines and or arrest?

They handed themselves in, this does not seem to be part of anyones assessment of this at the moment, with everyone just assuming that the UK police went kicking doors in, also charges are being assessed at the moment

Grenfell fire: When does causing offence become a crime

Posting on a closed WhatsApp group of generally likeminded people would considerably reduce the risk of a prosecution. However, if the person posting intended to harass, alarm or distress one of the group, an offence might be made out. Again it will not be enough if a person was simply offended by the post.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Well how about this as a hate crime. Make a lifelike effigy, and burn it on a fire and celebrate the fact you are burning a Catholic. In fact encourage children to celebrate the burning of a person. Don't like that!!!
That's bonfire night all over Britain. Why aren't Catholics up in arms about this continued travesty.

Oh but that’s patriotic don’t ya know?

originally posted by: AstralThundera

Mock Grenfell arson/execution of hundreds, mainly immigrants? = NOT a joke.

Where did you get that from????

"This is vitally important. If the inquiry does not explicitly exonerate Mr Kebede, all these sleazy accusations and hurtful innuendo, all the racist assumptions and ignorance that currently prevail will continue unabated.

"The inquiry needs to set the record straight. The inquiry needs to thank Mr Kebede for his prompt effort that he made on the night to contact the fire brigade, raise the alarm and warn his neighbours.”

The inquiry heard that after Mr Kebede noticed smoke was pouring from the back of his Hotpoint fridge freezer he went round to each of his neighbours, banging on the door and shouting “fire, fire, fire” to rouse them and urge them to flee.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

a reply to: Unruhestifter

It was done in bad taste I must admit but what about those people burning effiges of Teresa May & Boris johnson? This comes down to the same thing if they want to call it a 'hate' crime. The governments better build more prisons to hold all these people.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Unruhestifter

It was done in bad taste I must admit but what about those people burning effiges of Teresa May & Boris johnson? This comes down to the same thing if they want to call it a 'hate' crime. The governments better build more prisons to hold all these people.

Defination of hate =
To feel strong dislike for or hostility toward:
To feel dislike or distaste for:


^^^^that is an emotion so how can it be measured by another as to intent

How can someone else's emotions be held up and read to be a ' hate crime'


Do we now have *Thought Police* /smh.

a reply to: Freeborn

Public shaming rather than prosecution would get better results all around I believe. They realize now it was in extreme poor taste, others realize it too and might throttle themselves rather than face public ridicule. It works just as good as jail, probably better.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

I think everyone gets that, but you need to understand for us here in the US, it seems like a dangerous path and it is.

Just the fact you can be arrested for speech other than a threat is pretty troubling. In this case it's tasteless and those people are not anyone I'd care to have drop by, but a crime? Even if it's not being enforced, it's on the books.

It's picking and choosing who has the right to speak and what they can say.

Only in the open can hate speech be dealt with in a meaningful way. This would just drive it underground, hiding in the shadows to fester. Without open dialogue, it becomes a cancer.

Is this something to do with "Guy Fawkes Night"?

The Americans wouldn't understand, but we use to have "Cracker Night" in the old days, as a Guy Fawkes celebration.

Was banned here in the late 70s unfortunately, people use to buy fireworks and blow shi* up, have bonfires etc.....was great fun as a kid.

Do they still do it in England?

Definitely in bad taste. If they just had the bonfire with that, nobody would have known. If they had made a video and kept it private, there would have been no crime. But once they upload it to social media, they have effectively broadcast it across the country. Then others can take "offense".

Hollywood gets off it it because they usually want to do something like highlight poor building safety legislation.

Was a statement being made by the depiction? If so, which is correct?

One could suggest a 'racist' statement if one thought in a particular way, and if one accepted what construes for racism these days. An all 'white' Guy Fawkes party using a relatively recent fire tragedy where many non-white people lost their lives does not make for actual humour. It does if you think that others suffering misfortune by fire is a laughable matter, then of course, it works.

The other side of the coin is that they are making a statement about how the so-called 'lower-classes' are constantly imperilled by sub-standard building practices driven by cost-cutting procedures by the local authorities and government.

Is there a hint of an 'hate' crime? I don't see that. I do see a clumsy effort for an attempt at humour, for which (due to subject matter) many might find it offensive, but being offensive in a non-personable way is not a hate crime. The depiction of non-whites in the tower looks to be a faux pas of incredible stupidity. The attempt at humour back fires on this occasion.

You know the one with the nazi pug. Was pretty funny, if shallow, but it had a joke somewhere in there. This one I watched the video but did not see a joke. Bunch of old people likely drunk, but so far no joke, were was the funny?

Didn't even know what Greenfell Tower was, and on looking it up. Oh ya! It would definitely be more then in poor taste.

And whats up with all the cutouts of people in the windows being either brown or black, with one whitish one I think. More like cream colored. Racist? Or they just ran out of white cardboard paper? Or was it just historically accurate?

I dont know if this would constitute a crime. As for the hours of them being arrested. Ah! a drop in the bucket, just for causing drama, I would have given them months of community service and more besides, for wasting time.

But anyways, dont know if this constitutes a crime. A really really stupid thing to do for sure, but there have been plenty of drunks at parties that done stupider things. Most of them either had the sense not to put out the video out on the interwebs, and more then a few did not.

And well if we were to jail people for such crimes, the list would be endless.

And the first to go would be all those kids and there dam nursery rhymes. Like these ones. I suppose in 1014 it may have been considered in poor taste. Or maybe there terrorists in training. Or maybe its all just stupid stuff that has no meaning beyond that.


But then again if we arrested tried and executed all idiots who did idiotic things. Well statistically speaking, that may make the world a better place, because there would be less idiots around to do idiotic things. Quite a dilemma indeed.

a reply to: elysiumfire

The other side of the coin is that they are making a statement about how the so-called 'lower-classes' are constantly imperilled by sub-standard building practices driven by cost-cutting procedures by the local authorities and government.

You know sounds like they got quite a law suit on there hands. Here in the Americas it has become quite a practice, suing the government that is, may even be a tradition.

But who knows how they do things there across the pond. Pick names out of a hat I presume. Dam goberment, and there sub par building practices of leasing sub par building companies to put it all into practice.

Then again building practices and economics seems to be the same across the board no matter which country. Generally something of this nature.

It is ONLY free speech when You speak.

When some one else speaks and you dont like it,
It is NOT free speech.......

how long will it be untill YOU have no free speech?
just look at what is hapening!
we can not say man for a thing or job.
you can not say a colour.
BUT you can still have white hate, thats ok now?