Alabama McDonald's gunman killed by armed dad, who is injured in shootout

a reply to: Krakatoa

My guess is he's wondering if he shot at the ceiling, floor, Ron Mcdon's statue? No matter what he shot at it was a hostile act met by hostile reaction..

a reply to: Krakatoa

stop lyiong - you did not answer it

the gun man had the element of surprise and shot firts

you are the one pushing the claim that it was the start of a mass shooting that the " dad " saved the world from

so - what did he shoot at - is a vital question

a reply to: MarlbBlack

hussar - someone has finally done some thinking - congrats

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Krakatoa

stop lyiong - you did not answer it

the gun man had the element of surprise and shot firts

you are the one pushing the claim that it was the start of a mass shooting that the " dad " saved the world from

so - what did he shoot at - is a vital question

The only report so far is he entered and fired....so, seems he fired as the "masses of people" there indiscriminately. BTW, how many in a "mass"? Is it 3, 40, 10, 100? Does it really matter? One life matters, and a dead person does not care about what it is called.

So, get off your pedantic horse for a change....and admit this was a successful case of an armed citizen protecting a mass of people form potentially being the next MSM front page story screaming for more regulations.


FFS.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

yes - it does make sense - and yes it does make a difference

the OP claims it was the start of a mass shooting

yet only the person who engaged him AFTER the first volley - and the son - presumably standing next to his " dad " - were injured

still think its a mass shooting ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Don't for one minute think if you were in a place with your kids and a hostile intruder entered blazing bullets, you would not react the same as this father.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: MarlbBlack

hussar - someone has finally done some thinking - congrats

And some wingnut failed to be more specific in their questioning just to act the local troll. FFS

a reply to: Krakatoa

why dont you admit - that you are just making crap up ?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

yes - it does make sense - and yes it does make a difference

the OP claims it was the start of a mass shooting

yet only the person who engaged him AFTER the first volley - and the son - presumably standing next to his " dad " - were injured

still think its a mass shooting ?

Yes. considering the story reveals the "dad and sons" were leaving the building, when the gunman busted into the building to begin shooting. At which point the man re-entered and engaged the shooter.


Reading and comprehension is your freedom from being an ignorant ape. You should try it....

a reply to: Krakatoa

you accuse me of having no reading comprehension - FFS - try reading your own claims

a reply to: Krakatoa

Initial police scanner reports said the shooting may have happened during a robbery, but police have not confirmed that report

Most robberies do not start with a masked gunman busting in and just opening fire, do they.
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See, I can play that "most likely" game too.

Most terrorists, plotting a mass shooting, don't wait until the restaurant is closing, and the manager is unlocking the door to let the last customers out, to make their grand move.


I've never been in a restaurant when a robbery was taking place, so I don't know how most robbers do it. But, on TV robbers do storm in, shoot at the floor or ceiling, and then demand cash of frightened and shocked employees. Maybe, TV is where this possible would be robber took his cues.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa

Initial police scanner reports said the shooting may have happened during a robbery, but police have not confirmed that report.
……

Most robberies do not start with a masked gunman busting in and just opening fire, do they.
See, I can play that "most likely" game too.

Most terrorists, plotting a mass shooting, don't wait until the restaurant is closing, and the manager is unlocking the door to let the last customers out, to make their grand move.


I've never been in a restaurant when a robbery was taking place, so I don't know how most robbers do it. But, on TV robbers do storm in, shoot at the floor or ceiling, and then demand cash of frightened and shocked employees. Maybe, TV is where this possible would be robber took his cues.

Real life is not a TV script, genius. I've been a direct witness to at least 2 armed robberies....one in a bank. This was prior to my applying and receiving my CCL....and contributed to the reason. Not one of them, nor in any news report I've read about in the REAL WORLD has the gunman entering with guns blazing.

SMH

a reply to: Sookiechacha

What very well started out as a robbery could have easily turned into a massacre, murders.. Try not to spin it to much, the father and sons lived and the criminal is no longer with us. Good for the dad.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trying to apply logic to a scenario in which the perpetrator obviously is not acting upon sound logic is a flawed endeavor.

The simple fact is, we dont know what the intentions of the shooter were, or barring any release of forensic data, what he shot at. What we do know is that he had a gun and was willing to use it in a public setting. That endangered at least 4 lives or more... the man and 2 children as well as at least 1 McDonald's employee.

The perpetrator met his match through a non-law enforcement citizen who happened to be at the right place at the right time.

I'm sure the McDonald's staff are happy he was there....

A2D

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trying to apply logic to a scenario in which the perpetrator obviously is not acting upon sound logic is a flawed endeavor.

The simple fact is, we dont know what the intentions of the shooter were, or barring any release of forensic data, what he shot at. What we do know is that he had a gun and was willing to use it in a public setting. That endangered at least 4 lives or more... the man and 2 children as well as at least 1 McDonald's employee.

A2D

Yes, I agree. Whcih is why I asked other posters here what constitutes, in their mind, a "mass" of people. No answers yet....could 4 be a mass? Or does it require more to qualify for their spin to be classified as a mass shooting?

I still await their answer...

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Krakatoa

yes seriously - stop being an evasive little wingnut

the gun man shot at ????????????????????????

the " dad " shot at the gun man

its an important question

You're being deliberately stupid here. You are attempting to derail this thread, maybe?

originally posted by: CharlesT

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Krakatoa

yes seriously - stop being an evasive little wingnut

the gun man shot at ????????????????????????

the " dad " shot at the gun man

its an important question

You're being deliberately stupid here. You are attempting to derail this thread, maybe?

IMO, it is a veiled attempt at refusing to admit that the claims of armed citizens acting in this type of situation would result in a killing fields of dead children due to the citizen indiscriminately firing wildly.

a reply to: Krakatoa

The investigative assistance for violent crimes act, passed in 2012, defines a mass killing as "a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator."

This had the POTENTIAL to be a mass killing, yet not necessarily the intent.

A2D

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: CharlesT

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Krakatoa

yes seriously - stop being an evasive little wingnut

the gun man shot at ????????????????????????

the " dad " shot at the gun man

its an important question

You're being deliberately stupid here. You are attempting to derail this thread, maybe?

IMO, it is a veiled attempt at refusing to admit that the false claims of armed citizens acting in this type of situation would result in a killing fields of dead children due to the citizen indiscriminately firing wildly.

a reply to: CharlesT

no - i am asking the most important question

the OP claims the gunman entered to start a mass shooting

he fired first - and shot at what EXACTLY - hint - his first shots netted zero casualties

go figure