More guns is NOT the answer or solution.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: underwerks

I'd argue that armed guards are just as good as a preventative measure as mental healthcare would be.

How would you determine who is a risk to be an active shooter to get them preemptive mental healthcare?......... I'll wait for you to figure that one out.

A2D

Off hand, I have no idea. But it isn’t some impossible thing that can’t be figured out. Especially when peoples lives are on the line.

The other option is just more of the same. Which obviously isn’t working.

How would the system not be abused for political purposes?

They already tried to abuse it with social security, and operation choke point.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: underwerks

Nobody with any sense is saying an armed guard is 100% proof against injury, it just slants the odds.

Other factors, training, willingness to defend the innocent, quality of equipment (IE revolver vs semi auto vs full auto etc), body armor or not.


No armed response= shooter has all the time between first shot and police arrive to kill, there is at least a chance with an armed guard that you get a faster response to either stop or lessen the impact of the shooter.

I’m talking about armed guards as a deterrent. For sure they stop shootings from being worse than they could have been, but these shootings shouldn’t even be happening in the first place. With the proper resources going towards mental health programs I think a lot of these shootings could be stopped before they begin.

And if the shooter plans to die anyway, an armed guard isn’t exactly a deterrent. As almost every mass shooting has shown. I’m not against guns, I collect guns. I just believe that the real cause of all this is the alienation and lack of empathy that seems to be everywhere these days. Armed guards are just a band aid on a much larger problem.

How about good mental health programs, and everyone allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment right?

That’s completely fine. I don’t believe taking away guns will help anything when the real issue is the mental illness that causes people to do things like mass shootings. Take away all guns, then we’ll see people driving cars into crowds of people, or bombs, or setting places on fire.

The tool isn’t the problem, it’s the people who are using it. The real issues need to be addressed. Putting armed guards around places doesn’t solve anything. I mean, the Fort Hood shooting happened at Fort Hood. Even on a military base with guns everywhere mass shootings still happen.

At Ft Hood, you're also talking about someone that knew the procedures for dealing with a situation like that.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: underwerks

Nobody with any sense is saying an armed guard is 100% proof against injury, it just slants the odds.

Other factors, training, willingness to defend the innocent, quality of equipment (IE revolver vs semi auto vs full auto etc), body armor or not.


No armed response= shooter has all the time between first shot and police arrive to kill, there is at least a chance with an armed guard that you get a faster response to either stop or lessen the impact of the shooter.

I’m talking about armed guards as a deterrent. For sure they stop shootings from being worse than they could have been, but these shootings shouldn’t even be happening in the first place. With the proper resources going towards mental health programs I think a lot of these shootings could be stopped before they begin.

And if the shooter plans to die anyway, an armed guard isn’t exactly a deterrent. As almost every mass shooting has shown. I’m not against guns, I collect guns. I just believe that the real cause of all this is the alienation and lack of empathy that seems to be everywhere these days. Armed guards are just a band aid on a much larger problem.

How about good mental health programs, and everyone allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment right?

That’s completely fine. I don’t believe taking away guns will help anything when the real issue is the mental illness that causes people to do things like mass shootings. Take away all guns, then we’ll see people driving cars into crowds of people, or bombs, or setting places on fire.

The tool isn’t the problem, it’s the people who are using it. The real issues need to be addressed. Putting armed guards around places doesn’t solve anything. I mean, the Fort Hood shooting happened at Fort Hood. Even on a military base with guns everywhere mass shootings still happen.

At Ft Hood, you're also talking about someone that knew the procedures for dealing with a situation like that.

I’m sure that can be said about anyone who shoots up their workplace or school too.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Maybe not MORE guns, but BETTER guns.

Higher capacity, more accurate, rate of fire, dependability, etc.

That sounds more like the answer.

Gov: "Lets buy ourselves a billion rounds of ammo while simultaneously pushing for a civilian gun ban."

a reply to: underwerks

Hmm. Maybe depending on the job.

I was a marine stationed out at beautiful 29 palms California. I knew the standard protocol for evacuations and various threats. That was all covered in training.

Now, as a private security contractor...only the security guards on site know our protocol. It isn't necessary nor convenient to have employees know what we are doing.

A2D

a reply to: Agree2Disagree

Schools regularly have active shooter drills these days as do some workplaces. If someone is really determined to shoot up a place, they’re going to find a way. Armed guards or not.

a reply to: underwerks

I'm well aware of how active shooter drills work.

Employees only know what they are supposed to do. They dont know the protocols that LEO and third party security orgs follow.

I work at a state building that has had 2 bomb threats in the last week. None of the employees are aware of how I personally handle the situation
..they only know they are supposed to evacuate.

A2D

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I contend, unlike those who believe that these mass shootings are being used by liberals to fight for gun control, are rather, being used by gun manufacturers and the NRA to sell MORE guns. Makes just as much sense.

a reply to: underwerks

Parkland had an armed guard, Pulse had armed guards, Santa Fe had armed guards, Virginia Tech had armed guards, even Columbine had armed guards.

If more guns is the answer, why didn’t it work for any of those?

Because guns can't fire themselves.

That's the whole point. It's not the guns which are the problem; it's the people using them. Guns are just a tool... the will of the user is the weapon. We need to remove the weapon, not the tool.

Guns remove criminals.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Maybe you need to read over my other comments in this thread.

a reply to: Agree2Disagree

Combat marine corps veteran
PTSD
Owns and carries
Dislikes government
Has social media accounts
"Conspiracy theorist"
Single, no kids
WHITE MALE

To the gallows with ye!

TheRedneck

a reply to: underwerks

The tool isn’t the problem, it’s the people who are using it. The real issues need to be addressed.

I did not get that from your earlier post. Well said!

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Why can't I have what I'm paying my sad, dangerous and incompetent government to have?

Good point, however I'll extrapolate that point with the cut off limit at a bar. Give a drunk man one final beer that's ok in my books, but give a drunk man four jaeger bombs and he's swinging from the rafters and kicking asses and taking names.

If people like exotic weapons, it's nerf or nothin'.

nvm

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Would more nukes REALLY make the global community safer...

They already did. In fact, it was 'more nukes' which actually saved the World from nuclear destruction.

Have you ever heard of the word "Deterrent"? It's not the fact that you have one (gun, nuke, whatever); it's the fact that the other guy might have one also and use it on you. It makes you afraid to use yours. And it works!

Want proof? You were here to type your OP...not a fragment of some radioactive DNA scorched into a piece of glass.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Please, come to Texas in the springtime....we'll show how country boys gave a mindset that performs...judges well, and allows all to go on a hike in bear country with the grandkids not just being bait

Guns are guaranteed from the the forefathers with great forsight.....the were battling the caths....who do think was the religious persecutor in history.....

It's. A fallen world you see.....give guns a chance

Umm the forefathers battling the Catholics? Are you serious? They were battling the Church of England if anything, let’s not get into sectarian BS.

The more law abiding citizens excercising their 2nd amendment rights society would be a better place responsible carry is a very a good thing. Proud to live in a constitutional carry state, Arkansas FTW, just picked up a new Walther CCP M2 sweet little gun puts the S&W Shield 9 it’s replacing to shame. Can’t wait for my local gun shop to get in the 10mm XDm been waiting for an XD in 10mm for years.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
If people like exotic weapons, it's nerf or nothin'.

My semi-automatic freedom dispenser is not 'exotic', it's pretty run of the mill as far as bang-bangs go.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Agree2Disagree

Schools regularly have active shooter drills these days as do some workplaces. If someone is really determined to shoot up a place, they’re going to find a way. Armed guards or not.

Armed guards are usually to busy on their cell phones and smoking cigarettes to be much of a deterrent.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Riddle me this.

When I went to school everyone had guns. Guns everywhere seriously. Everyone you knew had guns. Teachers and students would bring their hunting rifles to school.

What changed? Guns are not the problem.

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