More guns is NOT the answer or solution.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Please come to Denver fore the leaves change.....we'll alpine hike in the seat of bear country, if you take your friends or children ...take a .44.....you'll want it in the way the frontier pioneer did...

Get skilled with a Smith and Wesson drive tacks at 135 yards. The perps will have to adopt a new invention for evil in God's society.!

Parkland had an armed guard, Pulse had armed guards, Santa Fe had armed guards, Virginia Tech had armed guards, even Columbine had armed guards.

If more guns is the answer, why didn’t it work for any of those? I’m not against guns in general, it’s just they obviously aren’t the solution if they continue to fail in stopping these types of shootings.

I think the underlying issues that lead people to commit such crimes are what need to be addressed. Adding more guns to the situation doesn’t change anything, especially when the person doing the shooting expects to die anyway.

originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Less guns isn't the answer either.

Agreed, to reiterate more armed civilians is not either.

A guy can't really have too many guns although I prefer to call them pistols & rifles. Some for this & some for that & more for other things.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but one single shot rifle for hunting, a glock for personal protection because no man woman or child should have access to military grade firearms. Do you allow a hacker to buy a computer? sure, that's his right as a consumer, but do you allow him access to the CIA database? hell no.

There needs to be a line drawn in the sand.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Please come to Boise before the snow falls.....you'll see it's ok to save the day...in a manly lifestyle way, perps start in trouble in the land of outdoorsmen......up there the ladies have openly, its6 the standard there....openly in their coin pocket.....right there dude, and the pocket is well worn to fit it...and makes ya realize....a .25 auto will speak.

To try to get it from them or to confront them is going against a legacy of truth justice and the American Way and prolly they will instinctually ....Hand A Perps Zzz To Him Forthrughtously with much prejudice huh!



If she has a .25 auto showin.......what's she got backin up

Remember that European guy that killed all those people on the island? Do you want every place to be like that island?

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
...no man woman or child should have access to military grade firearms.

Why can't I have what I'm paying my sad, dangerous and incompetent government to have?

a reply to: underwerks

Columbine happened at the height of the CLinton era assault weapons ban.

What's your point?

a reply to: underwerks

Nobody with any sense is saying an armed guard is 100% proof against injury, it just slants the odds.

Other factors, training, willingness to defend the innocent, quality of equipment (IE revolver vs semi auto vs full auto etc), body armor or not.


No armed response= shooter has all the time between first shot and police arrive to kill, there is at least a chance with an armed guard that you get a faster response to either stop or lessen the impact of the shooter.

originally posted by: CADpro
A guy can't really have too many guns although I prefer to call them pistols & rifles. Some for this & some for that & more for other things.

Gunz are like money.

There's never too much.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Nobody with any sense is saying an armed guard is 100% proof against injury, it just slants the odds.

Just for reference the biggest synagogue in my town has a police officer out front every Saturday. Plus it has the pop up barriers to prevent vehicles from entering the driveway.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but one single shot rifle for hunting, a glock for personal protection because no man woman or child should have access to military grade firearms. Do you allow a hacker to buy a computer? sure, that's his right as a consumer, but do you allow him access to the CIA database? hell no.

There needs to be a line drawn in the sand.

Actually, most murders and crimes are done with handguns by a MASSIVE number... the obsession with rifles by the left still amazes me IF they were actually interested in reducing crime and murders...

www.dailysignal.com...

Handguns were used in 19 times as many murders than rifles were in 2016, Handguns are vastly more common than rifles when firearms are used in crimes such as sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault, according to other federal data. Estimates from the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey show that handguns were used in about eight times as many nonfatal violent crimes than other firearms in 2011.

Data on nonfatal violence by type of firearm after 2011 was not publicly available, “Little wonder then that a 2004 study commissioned by the Department of Justice found that the federal ban [on assault rifles] didn’t lead to any decrease in gun crime or gun deaths. For starters, rifles, assault or otherwise, are rarely used in gun crime,” Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA Law School, wrote in a 2015 Los Angeles Times op-ed.

Gun crime in the U.S. is “overwhelmingly handgun crime,” he wrote.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but one single shot rifle for hunting, a glock for personal protection because no man woman or child should have access to military grade firearms. Do you allow a hacker to buy a computer? sure, that's his right as a consumer, but do you allow him access to the CIA database? hell no.

There needs to be a line drawn in the sand.

Who died and made you God?

The whole 'armed society is a safer society' claim, worked out just peachy for the 4 cops who got shot in this recent synagogue shooting.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Indeed.

I'm certainly as reliable as an ATS agent, or FBI agent, or Secret Service, or the military. Certainly it's not likely I'm going to run amok with my "military grade" weapons.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Good point is....
It's ok to be like the ladies in Montana and Wyoming and Idaho where the wind doesn't blow.....they are stand on their own types.....she's waiting for me there....she loves me still....

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
The whole 'armed society is a safer society' claim, worked out just peachy for the 4 cops who got shot in this recent synagogue shooting.

I will ask you the same question:

OK


Here are two facts: Crazies and Criminals can and will be able to get firearms. There are a few hundred million in the country currently and even if those magically teleported away overnight, they would flood into the country the same as drugs and people.

So, Fact #1 Crazies and Criminals will have access to guns. There is no dispute here. They do not care about laws or restrictions. You cannot disarm the crazies and criminals. This is Fact.

Fact #2 is if crazies and criminals can and will have firearms, I will be damned if I will not have them as well.

This is why i will fight any effort to deprive myself and my fellow countrymen the right of self defense.



So, given these facts.. what is YOUR solution.

originally posted by: seagull
Indeed.

I'm certainly as reliable as an ATS agent, or FBI agent, or Secret Service, or the military. Certainly it's not likely I'm going to run amok with my "military grade" weapons.

I'd say your MORE reliable since you're there when you need you.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: underwerks

Columbine happened at the height of the CLinton era assault weapons ban.

What's your point?

The point I made in the post you’re replying to. Armed guards as a deterrent are useless when the shooter expects to die during the shooting. They may keep a few more people from being shot and that’s a good thing, but they will never stop mass shootings from happening in the first place.

To do that, the underlying issues that cause people to shoot up places have to be addressed.