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not humanity ... notoriety... He wants the fame.
What need of humanity was served by publishing tens of thousands of innocuous mundane e mails except for the notoriety gained by the act?
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: pointessa
have you personally seen him in there day and night. No of course you haven't.
He could be on an island right now near a pool drinking with skimply clad girls and laughing
peoples reality come through a screen. Who controls the screen controls reality
LONDON — Julian Assange will be kicked out of the Ecuadorean Embassy in London — where he has lived in diplomatic isolation since 2012 — "imminently," a source has told The Times of London. CNN reports that Downing Street is in "ongoing" discussions with Ecuador and the United States over his fate.
Bull#.
originally posted by: paraphi
Assange is a manipulating celebrity who has managed to escape accusations of rape by hiding. #MeToo #RapistsWhoGetAwayWithIt
I doubt Assange appreciates that his actions have had an impact on women, and while he professes his innocence he has not had the courage to demonstrate his innocence.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Those accusations have all the hallmarks of a honeypot character assassination strategy.
Can you tell me what the accusations were? Not rape. Not assault to my knowledge.
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Those accusations have all the hallmarks of a honeypot character assassination strategy.
But, we'll never know as he has carefully avoided facing his accusers. That's the problem here, because too many men get away with rape and sexual misconduct.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Can you tell me what the accusations were? Not rape. Not assault to my knowledge.
“1. Unlawful coercion - On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange, by using violence, forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party’s arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.
2. Sexual molestation - On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.
3. Sexual molestation - On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.
4. Rape - On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enköping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state.
Do you deny that honeypot traps and any number of character assassinatIon and false accusations have been used in the past against a wide range of political targets, and do you deny that the timing is highly suspicious?
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Can you tell me what the accusations were? Not rape. Not assault to my knowledge.
You could of course look it up yourself, but he was sought for rape and other offences. You said earlier that it's a honeytrap but seem unaware of the detail of the case.
The European Arrest Warrant laid out four offences, which I cannot directly link to, but can can find from THIS LINK
“1. Unlawful coercion - On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange, by using violence, forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party’s arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.
2. Sexual molestation - On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.
3. Sexual molestation - On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.
4. Rape - On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enköping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
In such a situation, your first impulse should not be to believe automatically. That’s naive.
I don’t think they are. I have zero illusions about them being pure as a group. Either bias for a person being presumed innocent or guilty, as an assumption, is just that, a bias. However, the judicial system does focus on erroring towards innocence, as you know.
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
In such a situation, your first impulse should not be to believe automatically. That’s naive.
No, my first impulse when someone is accused of rape and other sexual offences is that there needs to be a proper legal investigation and potentially a trial, so that justice is done, and seen to be done.
So many celebrities and famous people manage to get away with rape because the default has been "... he's a nice guy and surely that makes the accusation false". It is good for women and society that that default is being challenged.
What I cannot understand is why people think celebrities are always innocent, even when they do good, and even where history shows that such a position is silly.