It seems that Darwinism becoming outdated and obsolete.

a reply to: SituationNAFU

LOL... apparently you haven't met many Christians

a reply to: Noinden

You talked about the biblical God as though you knew His capabilities. I just wanted to know how much you knew about the bible.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Phantom423

Because there is no such thing as random

Oh really?
I'm going to go flip a coin 10 times, what will the outcome be?

An physically deterministic outcome, whether you have the capacity to calculate it or not.

a reply to: Phage

That's a cowards reply
Stand up man

a reply to: Noinden

What vestigial, there is a thread about vestigial organs and how important they are
Go read it

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Phantom423

Because there is no such thing as random

Oh really?
I'm going to go flip a coin 10 times, what will the outcome be?

An physically deterministic outcome, whether you have the capacity to calculate it or not.

So every set of 10 coin flips will produce the same result? Because that's what you are saying.

a reply to: Vector99

If you put in the exact same amount of energy into every single flip, in a vacuum, with the coin in the same orientation, I don't see why the result shouldn't be deterministic. Classical physics is deterministic. Its the quantum world that throws us off.

a reply to: SituationNAFU

Maybe, but I am also human discussing issues with other humans who are pretending they know everything

I will take your chastising on board and try very hard to show less contempt

To be honest, I find I am extremely toned down, there is a lot more I would and could say

a reply to: Akragon

Apparently not......though I have met a #load that claim to be.

a reply to: Raggedyman

You do you, it was just an observation, carry on.

a reply to: Noinden

Speciation does not prove or even imply universal common descent. That is assumption.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Vector99

If you put in the exact same amount of energy into every single flip, in a vacuum, with the coin in the same orientation, I don't see why the result shouldn't be deterministic. Classical physics is deterministic. Its the quantum world that throws us off.

If you could also control the gravity in the vacuum, possibly. However, then you are talking about a completely controlled environment, something the universe is not. Randomness occurs when variables are allowed to factor in.

originally posted by: SituationNAFU
a reply to: Raggedyman

You do you, it was just an observation, carry on.

There is a person who thinks he is a scientis telling me that there are vestigial organs
He claims to be a scientist, what should I say
There are threads in this forum explaining what those organs purposes are

No excuses, I will tread a little more carefully

a reply to: Vector99

The energy and gravitational fluctuations in a vacuum should not be sufficient enough to change the outcome, nevertheless, what we interpret as chaos or randomness is simply misunderstood complexity. Kinda like how science demystified what humans once thought was magic.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Kudos to you sir! I’m nobody important, just found it odd.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Phage

Sounds to me that you believe in something you don't understand. You cant even give an overview.

That's because he believes by faith and has no real scientific knowledge in the process, readily admitting it
Nobod really has to prove their faith

What I don't understand is ridiculing others for their faith but denying their own faith is faith

originally posted by: SituationNAFU
a reply to: Raggedyman

Kudos to you sir! I’m nobody important, just found it odd.

Thanks for the correction, I appreciate it, sincerely
If more people corrected me with such grace, or patience

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Again, you are speaking of controlled environments, and yes, a difference in gravity absolutely can effect the outcome, vacuum or not.

a reply to: Vector99

An uncontrolled environment produces immeasurable complexity? That's not the same as chaos, at least not in the sense of the absence of a pattern. Even probabilities produce patterns. The "chaotic" path of an oil droplet bouncing on a sound wave will create an interference pattern over time.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Darwinism describes how the sparrow develops different beakon shapes to adapt to different food. It's proven.

Intelligent design has nothing to offer if you approach the topic with logic, it only moves the question on level further, how came the designer to be who created it?

The answer nature did it, because those who adapt to the circumstances have better chances to survive stands. It's one beautiful story from cyanobacteria to today. With tons of fossils to bridge every gap on the way.