Poll: 70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

a reply to: burdman30ott6

But somehow you paid for all of that? Get real. You benefit as much as every other citizen from the social system you live under.

I pay more federal taxes each year than the average American grosses. I am not whining. Why should you, considering I am funding your lifestyle?

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: burdman30ott6

...so do those who need medical coverage. If they were smart like you, then they'd be able to pay their own bills, ya?

Like I am most likely paying yours? Hey, I can cover you. I make bank...

Let's play a game ...

It takes a lot of money to buy health care for 350 million people.

Let's say though that everyone is "smart" like you and avoids as much in taxes as possible, even takes it to the level of the Greek national pastime. How do we pay for the health care then? No one's paying, so how are we buying?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Grambler

The medicare system in Australia works well and I think its fair. Most families receive medical rebates for expenses and medications. All children are entitled to free dental care until 16 years old.

If you work, and pay taxes, you contribute to this system. If you opt for private health cover, your medicare government rebate (usually about $2500 AUD), payable at tax time, is exempted.

So, in essence, the system is designed to focus in on the vast majority of Australians irrespective of their earning capacity (until they reach over $175,000/year) and you contribute on a sliding scale within that 'vast majority'.

For instance, a standard doctors consultation is about $75. You pay that if you have private health cover and if your cover includes GP consultations, you hand them your private health cover card, they swipe it, and you pay $X (approx $50). If you don't have a private health cover card, you hand them your government issued medicare card, they swipe it, and you pay approx $35 for that consultation.

Depending upon your level of government support, some Australians don't pay anything for the GP consult - it is completely covered by the government.

EVERYONE is assessed on an individual AND family basis to determine their level of care and support.

Look at our system, it works, and its fair.

In my opinion.

In your system people don't go to the emergency room if all they need is an aspirin or they have a runny nose. Ninety percent of the stuff other americans in this thread are complaining about can be taken care of at a clinic for around $120.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: burdman30ott6

...so do those who need medical coverage. If they were smart like you, then they'd be able to pay their own bills, ya?

Like I am most likely paying yours? Hey, I can cover you. I make bank...

Let's play a game ...

It takes a lot of money to buy health care for 350 million people.

Let's say though that everyone is "smart" like you and avoids as much in taxes as possible, even takes it to the level of the Greek national pastime. How do we pay for the health care then? No one's paying, so how are we buying?

Serious answer:

Increase the FICA tax.

And who said I avoid my taxes. I pay about 60K in federal each year. How much did you pay?

originally posted by: Jason79

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Grambler

The medicare system in Australia works well and I think its fair. Most families receive medical rebates for expenses and medications. All children are entitled to free dental care until 16 years old.

If you work, and pay taxes, you contribute to this system. If you opt for private health cover, your medicare government rebate (usually about $2500 AUD), payable at tax time, is exempted.

So, in essence, the system is designed to focus in on the vast majority of Australians irrespective of their earning capacity (until they reach over $175,000/year) and you contribute on a sliding scale within that 'vast majority'.

For instance, a standard doctors consultation is about $75. You pay that if you have private health cover and if your cover includes GP consultations, you hand them your private health cover card, they swipe it, and you pay $X (approx $50). If you don't have a private health cover card, you hand them your government issued medicare card, they swipe it, and you pay approx $35 for that consultation.

Depending upon your level of government support, some Australians don't pay anything for the GP consult - it is completely covered by the government.

EVERYONE is assessed on an individual AND family basis to determine their level of care and support.

Look at our system, it works, and its fair.

In my opinion.

In your system people don't go to the emergency room if all they need is an aspirin or they have a runny nose. Ninety percent of the stuff other americans in this thread are complaining about can be taken care of at a clinic for around $120.

Facts.

People have turned health insurance into basically a health maintenance plan. Insurance is supposed to cover catastrophic events, not every physical, aspirin, and flu shot.

I'd bet 90% of doctor visits could be paid out of pocket with transparent pricing and the poor / indigent could be seen a community clinics if they can't afford the $100 bucks for a doctor's visit.

Save insurance for the broken arms and other major health costs.

Think what car insurance would be like if you could only buy it through your employer. Then the insurance had to cover all your oil changes, car washes and flat tires. I wonder what it would cost then....

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: Jason79

Once again, how can every other country do it, but American can't?

Every other country isn't:

1) 330 million people
2) Playing world police and thus has to fund a massive military and get rid of every tin pot dictator since no other country steps up the plate
3) Encouraging illegal immigration of poor and unskilled immigrants who wind up sucking on the teet either directly or indirectly
4) Diverse population with many different cultural needs and norms
5) Half the population paying nothing in income taxes

A nordic country is literally the size of a large American city, a state at best. It simply isn't apples to apples. What may work on a small scale for a homogeneous population isn't necessarily going to work on a country as large and diverse as America.

1. EU combined population is 500 million + all member States have universal healthcare of some form.

2. US seems quite selective in what tin pot dictators it deals with (Saudi Arabia?)

3. You seem to have missed the right wing talking point memo about how we are being overrun by migrants.

4. EU population is pretty ethnically and culturally diverse. What that has to do with healthcare eludes me however.

5. What has % that pay 1 particular tax got to with it.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Fallingdown
Something must be done about the national debt !!!!


We want single payer healthcare !!!


As a American I can’t believe how stupid most Americans are .

Right?

Plenty of them are fine with never ending wars with no benefit to us, and then happily pay close to a grand a month for health insurance.

What’s wrong with

Small business associations that increased the pool that gives them better leverage for negotiation with insurance companies .

Are you fine with kids in their 20s drastically over paying on policies when catastrophic injury could be enough .

Are you OK with another fine against Americans to choose not to enroll ?

What’s wrong with block granting money for the states to handle their own Medicaid ? Don’t you approve of states rights ? ( trumps doing the same thing with EPA regulations)

Do you remember how fast policies were rising under Obamacare ?

Are you even American ?

Why would you naturally assume I am OK with war ?

Obamacare didn’t work and wasn’t fair. “ those that failed study history are doomed to repeat it “


I’m not really into trying the same thing over and over and over. We need something new .

originally posted by: JasonBillung

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: burdman30ott6

...so do those who need medical coverage. If they were smart like you, then they'd be able to pay their own bills, ya?

Like I am most likely paying yours? Hey, I can cover you. I make bank...

Let's play a game ...

It takes a lot of money to buy health care for 350 million people.

Let's say though that everyone is "smart" like you and avoids as much in taxes as possible, even takes it to the level of the Greek national pastime. How do we pay for the health care then? No one's paying, so how are we buying?

Serious answer:

Increase the FICA tax.

And who said I avoid my taxes. I pay about 60K in federal each year. How much did you pay?

Oh so touchy.

So basically, you want people to go to work directly for the government to distribute as it desires?

In other words, slavery for substandard care and then being put out to pasture with the pain pills when we're too old to work.

And nice try on measuring the old e-peen. I'm a woman. I feel no need to see how big mine is relevant to yours.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JasonBillung

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: burdman30ott6

...so do those who need medical coverage. If they were smart like you, then they'd be able to pay their own bills, ya?

Like I am most likely paying yours? Hey, I can cover you. I make bank...

Let's play a game ...

It takes a lot of money to buy health care for 350 million people.

Let's say though that everyone is "smart" like you and avoids as much in taxes as possible, even takes it to the level of the Greek national pastime. How do we pay for the health care then? No one's paying, so how are we buying?

Serious answer:

Increase the FICA tax.

And who said I avoid my taxes. I pay about 60K in federal each year. How much did you pay?

Oh so touchy.

So basically, you want people to go to work directly for the government to distribute as it desires?

In other words, slavery for substandard care and then being put out to pasture with the pain pills when we're too old to work.

And nice try on measuring the old e-peen. I'm a woman. I feel no need to see how big mine is relevant to yours.

So you are saying that Americans are too stupid to do what every other country can do - offer it's citizens good health care at an affordable price? Are you bad-mouthing my country? Are you saying Americans cannot do what every other 1st world country can do?

Are you a traitor?

/sarc

a reply to: Grambler

Medicare for all would work great if funded properly, and Private health insurance is still available for those who prefer that.

originally posted by: Edumakated


People have turned health insurance into basically a health maintenance plan. Insurance is supposed to cover catastrophic events, not every physical, aspirin, and flu shot.

I'd bet 90% of doctor visits could be paid out of pocket with transparent pricing and the poor / indigent could be seen a community clinics if they can't afford the $100 bucks for a doctor's visit.

Save insurance for the broken arms and other major health costs.

Think what car insurance would be like if you could only buy it through your employer. Then the insurance had to cover all your oil changes, car washes and flat tires. I wonder what it would cost then....

My kid years back got pink eye...long weekend so I had ER as my choice or doctor visit at 500 bucks if no insurance. Someone told me about a clinic in the next town that is run by RNs with doctor on call. The deal was it was cash only no insurance, so it operated totally outside of the insurance umbrella. We went there and saw a nurse within 10 mins paid 20 bucks and left with a prescription.

This is about what 70% of healthcare should be....

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: burdman30ott6

...so do those who need medical coverage. If they were smart like you, then they'd be able to pay their own bills, ya?

Like I am most likely paying yours? Hey, I can cover you. I make bank...

It takes a lot of money to buy health care for 350 million people.

Its more like 327 million... You were close though.

Besides, on a per capita basis, theirs no reason it would cost any more than the many other countries that have universal healthcare and are doing just fine.

Then you have to remember that a large amount of that 327 million population would prefer to pay for private healthcare over public anyway.

That's where I think most Americans totally misunderstand the whole universal healthcare debate... They seem to always assume it has to be one or the other... As if adopting universal healthcare means you have to outright abolish private healthcare.

But, why would that need to be the case?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


Besides, on a per capita basis, theirs no reason it would cost any more than the many other countries that have universal healthcare and are doing just fine.

Then you have to remember that a large amount of that 327 million population would prefer to pay for private healthcare over public anyway.

Most other countries with universal health care have their system built on a foundation to support it. What we have in the US a system for profit and a doctor visit is 600 bucks, one day in a hospital is about 5k and meds can to 10 times that of other countries for the exact same meds.

This is why it would have about a 4 trillion cost and for us to go that direction we need to remove insurance completely and build the system from the ground up. This doesn't mean that many might still go insurance but no one on the left or right would touch this with a 10 food pole due to the huge profit loss by the insurance companies.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Medicare for all would work great if funded properly, and Private health insurance is still available for those who prefer that.

Public education for all would work if funded properly, and Private schools would still be available for those who prefer that.



Now, let's get real and think, really think, about how likely your scenario is.

a reply to: ketsuko

But then he had to whip it out and claim he pays more in federal taxes than most Americans gross... obvious snip talking braggart is obvious...

a reply to: Grambler
So if I give the healthcare industry an unlimited supply of money by way of the taxpayer, what do you think will happen?

a reply to: JasonBillung

Sure you do. LOL... Suuuuure you do.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Do you know why that is?

Because we have insurance providers (including the government) standing between us and the people who get paid. They make it afforadable and by the time things get where we are, they've made sure no one can afford it.

Lively racket they have isn't it?

I pay taxes every year. I'd like some of my money to go for medical insurance/healthcare for all.

Instead of the trilliions we waste on stupid stuff, like congressional salaries for one.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: ketsuko

But then he had to whip it out and claim he pays more in federal taxes than most Americans gross... obvious snip talking braggart is obvious...

This from a guy who uses a comic book figure as his public persona. Weak tea.

Sorry if you are angry that I am paying your way in life. I don't mind. 50% of Americans are below average...