Satan is God (1 page of writing proves it)

a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Nah, that's ridiculous that all must believe in a man or a particular God in order to be saved. The idea of eternal punishment at all is the greatest sin that one could ever conceive of as well. Any God that is good, and indeed the source of good would never deny anyone his love permanently, else he would not be good. Eternal damnation is the biggest scam that's ever been perpetrated upon the planet. I'm not saying certain evil deities haven't tried to make it a reality, but that doesn't negate my comment.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. You are free to embrace whatever fits your belief and you could very well be right. All we can do is wait for death and maybe then find out. There are some that believe that hell is simply a punishment for about a year and then you get a free pass for eternity. That is a pretty good deal if you want to believe that. There is one catch to that religion though. If you don't follow their rule book then you can't get that deal.

a reply to: WhateverYouSay

"We cannot have good without evil" How about "the Good" and "less good". Deus Pater is the source of all love in the universe and he is Good, and there are varying degrees of how close you are to him.

Who told you that this sky god was good? You had to have heard that in order to believe that and that entails your ability to understand choice. You could not have had that choice without the knowledge of the opposite of love which is hate. Hate can be your reality or love can be your reality but regardless of which reality, it is a choice of your mind and the knowledge to have that choice. Nevertheless of the nomenclature, one of the two is an opposite.

Not all opposites are evil but all evil is opposite to good. Therefore you can not have less good without having good and you cannot have good without its opposite evil. So less good is also less evil but it still has opposites in having less.

Satan thought himself to be right and justified. Nevertheless Satan knew that he was in opposition to his Creator. Regardless of how one understands this, it remains a choice of the mind to determine opposites. If Satan is a god in the minds of some then that choice may be a reality of love and devotion to those who accept this. To them it may not be evil but it still remains a choice of opposites through knowledge to their perception through the mind. This is known as a reprobate mind in the Hebrew teachings.

I think God - or Gods - is/are ultimately unknowable. Any human/earthly interpretations of this being, or force, are to be taken with a grain of salt. Satan, or the Devil, is likely a hostile extraterrestrial being with an army of these beings that have been laying siege to the earth in many different forms and through many different facets. The scriptures speak of the 'fall of man,' and I think that one way this could be interpreted is as these extraterrestrials saw humanity's original form as beings of light, immaterial and psychic-based life-forms and wished to usurp our state of existence, which was borne of God - more of a realm unto itself than an actual being (in the way some Hindu and Eastern philosophies view the Universe or Cosmos as a form of complex superorganism) - and trap us within their mundane physical, mammalian/reptilian bodies by way of breeding into the human body we see today, since the seat of consciousness consists entirely of a brain, nerve tendrils and eyes, the PERSON or BEING we are is not what we see in the mirror, but the biological space-suit the creature these beings' consciousness formerly inhabited requires to survive in this 'quarantine zone' we call Earth. It is why we as human beings long to be one with GOD, or - rather - to go home, or go to heaven. And the creatures that have trapped us here installed within our programming the means to self-imprison through corrupt governments and money and organized, politicized religion. The mark of the beast is the human body, and we as a formerly superorganism have been condemned to an existence of mortality and disconnect and it is why we kill each other out of this form of imposed confusion and agony, battling over the truth, when the truth has been staring us in our own two eyes this entire time. Nobody will save us, it is up to us to find our way back into the light on our own, because it is within our dream and nightmares that heaven and hell coexist, not outside of us. The entire goal of this is to instill a fear of death, when there is no death to be experienced. Nobody can remember being born, or being in the womb, can you? You never experience your own birth. Why would you experience your own death? It is a trick. The beasts want us to think that we would not have existed without them, but they cannot exist without us, because they are within us. They ARE us!

Behold, the creature living inside of us all as you read the very words written upon this screen...

I think the closest analog we can find to this God or Godhead is the symbiotic relationship between the human body, the microbiota within, and the consciousness itself. Not to get too into the McKennan world view of psychedelics being the 'forbidden fruit' spoke of in Genesis, but I do believe that fungal intelligence is the direct manifestation of this God upon the earth, and it seeks to reconnect with its long lost children through mind-opening experiences that extend beyond the biological hell-prison the beasts have trapped us within. We are so much more than our physical state, and it is the reconnection with the non-physical aspects of ourselves that put us back in touch with God, not religion or human/Earthly power structures.

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
@yuppa

where does it say nonbelievers are given a chance to know him in the afterlife in the Bible?

you must have reached to age of accountability before you could be judged.God loves all of his children and no one is judged until the final judgment known as the white throne judgment which does not take place until after Christ returns and the millennium is complete.As far as where are the dead,we are told in the scriptures 'Don't be ignorant as the heathens concerning where the dead are,for if you believe that Christ has risen so are those who have gone on.2ND Corinthians chapter 5 verses 7 and 8 'to be absent from this body is to be in the presence of God.No one has been judged yet.Luke chapter 16 the parable of the rich man.There is a gulf that divides those who are saved and those who are not.There is only one judgment after Christs return and after the millennium.Read Revelations chapter 20 and 21.

Still refuse to believe it?

If The Devil Asked You To Number The People...
He Was Trying To Seduce You... That You Alone May Be Exalted Amongst The Scores Of Your Inheritance...

If God Asked You To Number The People...
He Was Trying To Open The Book Of Life...
That They May Be Added...

Jesus is God's right hand, who do you think is left? The left hand does the spanking, there needs to be justice and discipline. That is the job of the Accuser. God is omniscient, so He obviously could stop the Accuser whenever, but Satan is a useful tool for teaching God's children. Unfortunately most of us never graduate.

a reply to: yuppa

you must have reached to age of accountability before you could be judged.God loves all of his children and no one is judged until the final judgment known as the white throne judgment which does not take place until after Christ returns and the millennium is complete.As far as where are the dead,we are told in the scriptures 'Don't be ignorant as the heathens concerning where the dead are,for if you believe that Christ has risen so are those who have gone on.2ND Corinthians chapter 5 verses 7 and 8 'to be absent from this body is to be in the presence of God.No one has been judged yet.Luke chapter 16 the parable of the rich man.There is a gulf that divides those who are saved and those who are not.There is only one judgment after Christs return and after the millennium.Read Revelations chapter 20 and 21.

In reading your post led me to ask you concerning whether heaven or hell is experienced by the dead immediately after death?

Having read Luke 16:19-31 it is my opinion that Luke 16:19-31 does not fit being allegoric or parabolic in any sense of reading literature. Therefore I have always considered this to be a life happening as recorded by Luke. I realize that heaven is not mentioned here but other interesting things are mentioned. Lazarus had consciousness with the ability to feel, speak, hear, and sight and are the primary things that I noted immediately. I also noted that the unnamed rich man also had these same abilities but was in another chamber or section of Sheol called hell. Lazarus and the rich man were separated as to hell and Abraham's Bosom called paradise.

At this time Jesus was alive as a man and in this day all dead soul's spirits were contained in the earth as prisoners with no one having access to the kingdom of heaven. I also noted that the one in hell had to have been judged as to deserving hell as well as Lazarus had to have been judged in order to have been in paradise. Now this has nothing to do with resurrection as yet. All it has to show is that upon death we do have an immediate judgment and experience that judgment immediately in consciousness.

Now if this be a parable then it would show the likeness of a comparison between realities at the least. What sense would this be to name Lazarus and Abraham as a parable when parables do not entail names of actualities in literature of any sort. If one declares Luke to be an allegory or parable then that one must read the entire red lettered account of the entire chapter 16 of Luke and declare all of the chapter 16 as a parable simply because in the MSS there is no separation of verse or chapter. All of the MSS is separation of the scriptures by thought. No! It cannot be be determined to be a parable but must be as the author intended. It was a happening recorded by Luke.

Then how did the paradise from this earth in Luke's account come to be the paradise of the third heaven in 2nd Corinthians 12:2-4?

2nd Corinthians 12:2-4
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
(3) And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
(4) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Comments?

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Sure am addressing the way many people interpret the Greek New testament, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me". Maybe he didn't say that and it was cooked up by Yahweh trying to co-opt the religion. Regardless it is so common so as to essentially be fact that in the Abrahamic religions, one must have faith in them to be saved

Yes that is correct in that all must come to God's kingdom through His Son Jesus. That is why all must stand before Jesus in judgment.

Nah, that's ridiculous that all must believe in a man or a particular God in order to be saved. The idea of eternal punishment at all is the greatest sin that one could ever conceive of as well. Any God that is good, and indeed the source of good would never deny anyone his love permanently, else he would not be good.
Eternal damnation is the biggest scam that's ever been perpetrated upon the planet. I'm not saying certain evil deities haven't tried to make it a reality, but that doesn't negate my comment.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

a reply to: TzarChasm

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Yes, God is not only willing to prevent evil but theologically speaking, He does prevent evil from entering His kingdom. All manner of evil will be destroyed in the end day.

Yes, God is able and willing to contain and erase evil both now and in the end day. The Hebrew literature as well as some other literature has recorded many instances where the God of Abram has destroyed evil.

Evil comes by way of knowledge to do right or wrong. Without that knowledge of choice evil would not exist in the creation of celestial or terrestrial creation. Sin with out knowledge to know sin is not sin to the sinner.

How else would one know evil with out knowing good? How would one know good with out knowing evil? Without that choice one would not know either good or evil. Then without that choice one could not be accountable for either good or evil.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

It actually stands for Payable On Death, it was a legal term that Sonny got from his mother before she died. I used to love those guys and followed them all over California back in the day.

Now I don't believe in their message, and that's okay. The Bible is filled with contradictions because it was out together by men who wanted to craft a specific message, one that would allow them to control the people and give them the all the power. Those men are still at it today, crafting specific messages so the masses will be sedated.

One thing I've found to be true is when Solomon said, "there is nothing new under the sun..."

a reply to: DividedByZero

Because without GOD there is no pragmatic reason to be good, or aspire to be good, or contemplate altruism. It runs counterclockwise to the evolutionary mindset that is survival of the fittest, therefore I better be best at this, therefore, It's all about ME.
The whole human society thing carries on after me, but so what? I don't gain from it, I'm dead and buried in the ground. Why would I aspire to make a better life for my grandkids whilst simultaneously denying my possibility to a good and enjoyable life right now?
It's amazing how many when posed with this question seem to have some concept of us in a keeping pen where we will be observing the after effects of our selfishness and shaking our heads at our inability to look beyond our own personal comfort. And I am not talking about religious people. The number of atheists who are shocked that I should dare to challenge the validity or superiority of progeny. When I say 'Why should I give a f**k about what world I leave behind for my children or grandchildren?' I am coming from a purely darwinian-ist, selfish gene point of view. I have no care whether or not my genes are perpetuated once I'm gone. Why would I? Once I shuffle of this mortal coil, my concerns, responsibilities and repercussions of all said previous existence have been extinguished, and I am not in a place to contemplate it or the future of anyone who goes after me.
Therefore, give me a pragmatic reason to give a f**k about consequence over any and all selfish acts I commit on this earth whilst living my one opportunity to be me.

a reply to: Lucius Driftwood

Therefore, give me a pragmatic reason to give a f**k about consequence over any and all selfish acts I commit on this earth whilst living my one opportunity to be me.

You have made a point that reflects your choice. That choice that you made to not care what you leave after death is your choice to not believe in the beauty and peace of a everlasting life. There are some, among which I am one, that has seen that one man or woman can leave a mark of hope for one yet unborn. The pen is mightier than the sword by far and the pen always survives as the teacher of righteousness.

But only through choice can this be credited to ones record. Even in doubt there is a hope. The hope i mention is the hope that I am wrong when I doubt. Most all go through this valley of darkness and at times most all will have doubt. There is not one man on earth that can clearly understand. The righteous declare that all see through a glass of darkness and not one man on this earth is without dim eyes.

What is our purpose? Our purpose is to realize that we have been given a chance to become a citizen of everlasting life. What is our responsibility? Our responsibility is to teach others, by example, how to overcome this darkness of terrestrial life and strengthen our hope of everlasting life. There is only one way this can be shown and that is you leave kindness and hope as your gift to others.

originally posted by: return35
There are two verses in the bible that talk about the same event,

1 Chronicles 21:1,
"SATAN incited David to number the people."

2 Samuel 24:1,
"GOD incited David to number the people."

While most people skip over these verses, and Christians say it can't mean what it says and Atheists say those 2 verses prove the bible to be nonsense, a different perspective is held in a new book that calculates the meaning of those 2 verses. It turns out that those verses tie into every other chapter of the bible in a code, purposefully written into the bible, to get across the point that Satan is God. The first page alone of this book gets across the main idea of the whole book and proves logically that not only is Satan God, but Satan must be God. The whole book is 440 pages and just keeps on piling on the evidence, but I think page 1 is enough for a discussion starter, you can read page 1 here...

www.docdroid.net...

Satan is God (1 page of writing proves it)

Nah. It's just a matter of reading it correctly.

1 Chronicles 21:1, - reads correct
"SATAN incited David to number the people."

But...

2 Samuel 24:1, - problematic.
"GOD incited David to number the people."

Now I don't know where you cited 2 Sam 24:1 but I can't seem to find the exact quote: "GOD incited David to number the people."

From various translations, it renders it differently, hence giving a different meaning to what you're claiming/implying.

It doesn't say "GOD incited David to number the people."

but..."he" "it" or "an adversary" (an enemy of GOD) "incited/moved David..." not Jehovah/God.

Notice:

KJV
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
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NKJV
Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”
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NLT
Once again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he caused David to harm them by taking a census. “Go and count the people of Israel and Judah,” the LORD told him.
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NIV
Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”
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ESV
Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”
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CSB
The LORD’s anger burned against Israel again, and he stirred up David against them to say: “Go, count the people of Israel and Judah.”

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NASB
Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”
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NET
The LORD's anger again raged against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go count Israel and Judah."
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RSV
Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
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ASV
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah.
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YLT
And the anger of Jehovah addeth to burn against Israel, and an adversary moveth David about them, saying, 'Go, number Israel and Judah.'
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DBY
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them saying, Go, number Israel and Judah.
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WEB
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.
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HNV
Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Yisra'el, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Yisra'el and Yehudah.
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So in reality, 2 Samuel 24:1 compliment/expands on what was stated at 1 Chronicles 21:1.

In short, Jehovah God got mad at David because of presumptuousness and not relying on Him. Satan on the other hand - an adversary of God - was the one who incited David to be presumptuous. It wasn't his place or time to take the census.

a reply to: edmc^2
OP was just too bias that he overlooked the "he" or "it" in 1 Samuel 24:1 wasn't referred to GOD. Anyway, the entirety of his linked source is just a crap with little context and full of nonsense, not worth to read.

originally posted by: EasternShadow
a reply to: edmc^2
OP was just too bias that he overlooked the "he" or "it" in 1 Samuel 24:1 wasn't referred to GOD. Anyway, the entirety of his linked source is just a crap with little context and full of nonsense, not worth to read.

Xactly. Most of the time if not all of the time though, the "somewhat" texts discrepancies are not really discrepancies but an error in reading, understanding, and in some instances error in translation (Heb-English/Gk to English).

originally posted by: EasternShadow
a reply to: edmc^2
OP was just too bias that he overlooked the "he" or "it" in 1 Samuel 24:1 wasn't referred to GOD. Anyway, the entirety of his linked source is just a crap with little context and full of nonsense, not worth to read.

Xactly. Most of the time if not all of the time though, the "somewhat" texts discrepancies are not really discrepancies but an error in reading, understanding, and in some instances error in translation (Heb-English/Gk to English).

originally posted by: return35
There are two verses in the bible that talk about the same event,

1 Chronicles 21:1,
"SATAN incited David to number the people."

2 Samuel 24:1,
"GOD incited David to number the people."

There's no contradiction. The Most High can and will use Satan or demons for his purpose. He "commanded" and allowed Satan to do it. Just like Job and just like Adam and Eve, he also did to David. David failed the test by conducting a census on the number of his soldiers. He succumbed to the Devil's temptation. Joab, the nephew of David and the supreme commander of his army was shocked why King David would do such a thing. Joab was so repulsed that he didn't include the tribe of Levi and Benjamin in the counting. Remember, the census took 9 months and 20 days and king David had all the luxury of time to change his mind and repent. He can retract his command anytime. But, see, he didn't.

David paid dearly for his sins. His pride and ego got the better of him because he is king of all Israel with an army strength of 1,300,000 men. He let his power corrupt him, blatantly ignoring the Most High as someone unimportant.

Christ, the Son of the Most High, was not spared of this testing as well. He went through the test and passed.

I find it rather funny why the Christian teachers and pastors of today cannot give you a direct answer to this. You'll see them doing yoga, lol. They want to paint the Most High as someone good, merciful, kind, humble, and gentle who couldn't hurt a fly. They're so afraid of the Old Testament. They skip the gory part. They fear the membership will dwindle and so will their income and luxury living.

Who created hell? Who created the lake of fire? Who flooded the whole world and only saved 8 human beings? Who commanded the slaughter and wiping out a people?

You think during his second coming, it will all be good? You think he will bring peace to the world? You better hide your ass. He is going to bring the sword and slaughter all of you. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. There will be blood and there will be carnage unleashed.

That is why whenever there is a blood moon eclipse, it is to remind everyone that there will be slaughter and blood fest when he comes.

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.



Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Rev. 14:19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

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It will suck to be someone at the receiving end of his wrath though. lol

The one that lives inside the body is Satan....... but really there isn't someone in the body.
God is all that is and God made an idol of himself..... that idol is just an image of himself as separate to all that is.
That idol seems to move outside the present (the garden of Eden/paradise) .... in time and space.... it belives there will come a time when it will die.
However, the present is all there is but maybe God forgot that he is timeless being because he had been imagining himself in time he had been seeing himself as a thing.
All apparent things have a beginning and ending but what is always present seeing and knowing that things come and go?

a reply to: IndyFront

God is unknowable..... because God is not an object that can be known.... God is all knowing..... God is what is knowing the present appearance.

originally posted by: return35
There are two verses in the bible that talk about the same event,

1 Chronicles 21:1,
"SATAN incited David to number the people."

2 Samuel 24:1,
"GOD incited David to number the people."

While most people skip over these verses, and Christians say it can't mean what it says and Atheists say those 2 verses prove the bible to be nonsense, a different perspective is held in a new book that calculates the meaning of those 2 verses. It turns out that those verses tie into every other chapter of the bible in a code, purposefully written into the bible, to get across the point that Satan is God. The first page alone of this book gets across the main idea of the whole book and proves logically that not only is Satan God, but Satan must be God. The whole book is 440 pages and just keeps on piling on the evidence, but I think page 1 is enough for a discussion starter, you can read page 1 here...

www.docdroid.net...

The easy answer is that Islam is the true religion.