Satan is God (1 page of writing proves it)

originally posted by: GBP/JPY

That alone is the accuser telling on himself.....P O D has a song....SNUFF THE PUNK......pod cool band...like Thousand Foot Crutch ....Cutlass


throw up your rawkfist if you're feelin when I drop this... that's the sound when the rock hits

Nothing cool about P. O. D, Thousand Foot Crutch or Cutlass or even Kutlass. They're all trying too hard to convey a message and not on their song writing/playing. It's hard to get the balance right and few bands manage it. I'm a fan of all kinds of music but sucky bands suck. I count Linkin Park among the chaff as well.

I've suspected God and the Devil were one in the same or at least two sides of the same coin, for a while. It's somewhat of a plot device in some parts of the NT.

a reply to: Kromlech

Nice attempt but it doesn’t work…IMO

Originally posted by Kromlech
In II Samuel 24:1, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan (aka "the tempter" -- Matt. 4:3) to do it, which is why in I Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to incite David.

If that’s the case then both accounts (1 Chronicles 21:1 and 2 Samuel 24:1) should state that Satan is the one who incited David to Act…

The Bible is always pretty clear when God is using Satan or when it is God himself who does something independently…But in the verse 2 Samuel 24:1 there is no mention of Satan at all…

You see God in the original version (2 Samuel 24:1) isn’t the bad one. God is righteous in the original version, because he is inciting David and Israel to make a stand against an evil threat that is rising up against Israel…

In other words, in the original version God wants David to do the righteous thing and prepare to defend themselves against an outside evil that is rising up etc...

The only reason God is angry in the original version (2 Samuel 24:1) is because David at that time, wasn't prepared to do the righteous thing and stand up against that evil etc...so God had to incite him to act righteously in order to do so…

Satan on the other hand, does not incite/call people to do righteous deeds or actions etc...

- JC

originally posted by: Kromlech
There is no contradiction; God has used Satan (as an instrument) numerous times before to accomplish something:

Job 1:12 - "And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD."

Job 2:6-7 - "And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown."

Matthew 4:1 - "Then was Jesus led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted (tested) of the devil."

Revelation 2:10 - "Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried (tested); and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Judges 2:22 - "That through them I may prove (test) Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not."

--- In II Samuel 24:1, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan (aka "the tempter" -- Matt. 4:3) to do it, which is why in I Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to incite David.

--- ...So, NO, Satan is NOT God. Lol, God wasn't talking to "God" in Job 1 & 2, nor was God warning Adam and Eve of "God" in the garden, in Genesis 3. Nor will God cast "God" into the lake of fire ("prepared for the DEVIL and his angels" -- Matthew 25:41).

In addition, let's NOT forget:

Matthew 12:24-28 - "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils! And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."

James 1:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

JAMES i. 17. Every good gift, and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is neither variableness, nor shadow of turning

"each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death" (James 1:14-15).

Does God tempt us to sin?
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Well there the Gnostics which points to an archon who was birthed by an aeon and believed that he was the creator of the material world. Goes by quite a few names to, Laobothl, The Artisan, Demiirge, and even called The Fool due to being ignorant of the source of his power and the aeons, and is often linked with the God of the O.t.

There even one line in one of the Gnostics books that Jesus was the serpent that tempted Eve into biting the apple in order to displace or disperse the fools power with the help of the other aeons.

Thing is though I've noticed, Satan isn't really mentioned at all in Gnostics.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? 
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? 
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? 
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? 
Then why call him God?"

— Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BCE)

Alpha and Omega...sounds Greek. OPA!!!

Then there Simon the Magus.

originally posted by: Specimen
Well there the Gnostics which points to an archon who was birthed by an aeon and believed that he was the creator of the material world. Goes by quite a few names to, Laobothl, The Artisan, Demiirge, and even called The Fool due to being ignorant of the source of his power and the aeons, and is often linked with the God of the O.t.

There even one line in one of the Gnostics books that Jesus was the serpent that tempted Eve into biting the apple in order to displace or disperse the fools power with the help of the other aeons.

Gnostics' Genesis is full of paradox and confusion. They mix up things a lot making it difficult to understand.

originally posted by: Specimen
Thing is though I've noticed, Satan isn't really mentioned at all in Gnostics.

Not true. Barnabas literally mentioned Satan quite often.

God answered: "Jesus, behold I will pardon him. Only cause him to say, 'Lord, my God, I have sinned, have mercy upon me,' and I will pardon him and restore him to his first state."

'I rejoiced greatly,' said Jesus, 'when I heard this, believing that I had made this peace. Therefore I called Satan, who came, saying: "What must I do for thee, O Jesus?"

'I answered: "Thou shalt do it for thyself, O Satan, for I love not thy services, but for thy good have I called thee."

'Satan replied: "If thou desirest not my services, neither desire I thine; for I am nobler than thou, therefore thou art not worthy to serve me—thou who art clay, while I am spirit."

'"Let us leave this," I said, "and tell me if it were not well thou shouldst return to thy first beauty and thy first state. Thou must know that the angel Michael must needs on the day of judgement strike thee with the sword of God one hundred thouand times, and each blow will give thee the pain often hells."

'Satan replied: "We shall see in that day who can do most; certainly I shall have on my side many angels and most potent idolaters who will trouble God, and he shall know how great a mistake he made to banish me for the sake of a vile [piece of] clay."

'Then I said: "O Satan, thou art infirm in mind, and knowest not what thou sayest."

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originally posted by: Specimen
Alpha and Omega...sounds Greek. OPA!!!


Then there Simon the Magus.

It is Greek word used by John of Patmos the mad man in Revelation.

a reply to: EasternShadow

Yea, its confusing clay, even when reading the Pistis Sophia where Jesus talks about the number twenty fourth, and a piece of cloth that holds a mystery that Jesus spent 11 years after death.

Never came across that story, but I'm more or less refering to first century texts when Gnostics came about. There is isn't any really reference of Satan in those texts, and Omega actually a letter in Greek.

Dbl

a reply to: WhateverYouSay
a reply to: return35

Yes Satan is a fragmented aspect of Yahweh. Yahweh is the only evil being because he denies everyone access to the God of Gods love. Yahweh casts people into hell simply because they have never heard of him, and he attempts to inject lies into all the worlds religions - including Christianity. But the truth is always being re-injected into teachings by the Gods that are higher than him and those truths are seen in the Gnostic and Kabbalah versions of the teachings that he corrupted (Christianity and Judaism).

Which God and bible are you referencing? You certainly are not referencing the Greek New Testament letters. Every person of accountability will stand in judgment and be judged by the deeds each one has performed in their lifetime. A person can be righteous and yet never hear of God or Jesus.

a reply to: return35

"Evil" and "Good" are how people see the universe.

We make God have fingers and a beard. We imagine our bodies like "his", in the image of...

There is no such thing as evil viruses or good meteors. We witness them and feel things.

We refer to our ships as "she", our planet a "mother".

What would we do with an indefinable intelligence that is not trying to be known? Call it "father" and say we are its creation?

What if you are angry? Call it Father and rebel? Say there is an undefinable "brother" to you that is fighting against an angry God?

That we have an ally that rebels for the love of humanity? Or out of jealousy for our inherited earth?

Maybe.

Maybe we see an enlightened, good person as a brother. Someone we then say came here to save us from the black sheep of the family. A messiah with a promise of Gods love just for us.

What if history has overlapped several times over and these roles have been played many times by a long list of "people"?

What if we could save ourselves from our own imagined and self created hell? And what if God would like that.....If he wanted and liked things as a mortal does.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: WhateverYouSay
a reply to: return35

Yes Satan is a fragmented aspect of Yahweh. Yahweh is the only evil being because he denies everyone access to the God of Gods love. Yahweh casts people into hell simply because they have never heard of him, and he attempts to inject lies into all the worlds religions - including Christianity. But the truth is always being re-injected into teachings by the Gods that are higher than him and those truths are seen in the Gnostic and Kabbalah versions of the teachings that he corrupted (Christianity and Judaism).

Which God and bible are you referencing? You certainly are not referencing the Greek New Testament letters. Every person of accountability will stand in judgment and be judged by the deeds each one has performed in their lifetime. A person can be righteous and yet never hear of God or Jesus.

Sure am addressing the way many people interpret the Greek New testament,
"I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me". Maybe he didn't say that and it was cooked up by Yahweh trying to co-opt the religion.

Regardless it is so common so as to essentially be fact that in the Abrahamic religions, one must have faith in them to be saved

Satan Actively Tempts, God Permits Temptation

Satan, as an enemy, suggested this census as an occasion to incite a sin, just as he also put it into the heart of Judas to betray Christ. Satan is frequently described in Scripture as doing what God merely permits to be done; and so, in this case, He permitted Satan to tempt David. Satan was the active mover, while God only withdrew His supporting grace, and the great adversary prevailed against the king. (For other examples of God permitting temptation and it being ascribed to Him, see 2 Samuel 16:7–13; 1 Kings 22:20–23; Psalm 105:24–25.) God as righteous Judge in this instance permitted it with the design that from this sin of David He would take occasion to punish Israel for other sins, for which He might justly have otherwise punished them.

It should be noted that when God has a plan in mind, He will sometimes allow Satan and his demons to do things they want to do (e.g., lie and cause disaster and death), while actually they are working the will of God (who wanted to punish Israel for their idolatry and wickedness). A couple of biblical examples include 2 Chronicles 18:18–22, where God allows a demon to use the false prophets to convince Ahab to go to battle and ultimately to his death, and Job 1–2, where Satan persecutes Job.

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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: return35

Well logic says that would have to be true. If god created everything than everything comes from him including Satan. And that means it has to be apart of him as well because he had to create evil for it to exist.

Did God create Evil? Or is Evil just the absence of good?

Did God create darkness? Or is darkness just the absence of light?

a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Sure am addressing the way many people interpret the Greek New testament, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me". Maybe he didn't say that and it was cooked up by Yahweh trying to co-opt the religion. Regardless it is so common so as to essentially be fact that in the Abrahamic religions, one must have faith in them to be saved

Yes that is correct in that all must come to God's kingdom through His Son Jesus. That is why all must stand before Jesus in judgment.

Matthew_8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Yet Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not see the Christ while they were alive in the flesh.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Did God create Evil? Or is Evil just the absence of good? Did God create darkness? Or is darkness just the absence of light?

Yes God did create evil. We cannot have good without evil. All of our reality must have opposites and evil is the opposite of good. How else could we know if one thing is good without knowing whether or not it is not good? If one has choice then that choice must have opposites to have choice.

In our beginning we had darkness because darkness was created for our reality. Light was brought forth from its source [God] and formed for our creation as the opposite of darkness. Every portion of our reality must have opposites but within God only good exists.

Psalms_139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Sure am addressing the way many people interpret the Greek New testament, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me". Maybe he didn't say that and it was cooked up by Yahweh trying to co-opt the religion. Regardless it is so common so as to essentially be fact that in the Abrahamic religions, one must have faith in them to be saved

Yes that is correct in that all must come to God's kingdom through His Son Jesus. That is why all must stand before Jesus in judgment.

Nah, that's ridiculous that all must believe in a man or a particular God in order to be saved. The idea of eternal punishment at all is the greatest sin that one could ever conceive of as well. Any God that is good, and indeed the source of good would never deny anyone his love permanently, else he would not be good.
Eternal damnation is the biggest scam that's ever been perpetrated upon the planet. I'm not saying certain evil deities haven't tried to make it a reality, but that doesn't negate my comment.

a reply to: Seede

"We cannot have good without evil"

How about "the Good" and "less good". Deus Pater is the source of all love in the universe and he is Good, and there are varying degrees of how close you are to him.

As many of you are aware, “Satan” translates as TRUTH in Sanskrit, the original
language of humanity.

The Sanskrit root word “Sat”, also sometimes “Satya” means Truth. “An” is also a
shortening of “Ananta” which means Eternal/Infinite/Never ending, etc. The name
“Satan” as a whole can also therefore be translated as “Truth Eternal” or “The
Infinite and Never Ending Truth”. Our God Satan IS the Eternal, Infinite and
Never Ending Truth!


stop confusing lucifer to satan

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Naw let me explain bro

We gotta, just gotta study to show ourselves approved, to be a workman that need not be ashamed...having learned to rightly divide God's word of Truth

I gotta say though it does take a while, but the small discrepancies get excused when the whole multifaceted love letter from our creator is understood yep head knowledge first then the heart surrenders.....A Santana song...." Love, Devotion and Surrender...does that make the word surrender better.

Some sorry sap sucker is very interested in these last days....Scripture says the Earth is wearing out like a garmet......sap sucker is inventing new ways to steer anyone away from that book. And the Jesus fact.

That alone is the accuser telling on himself.....P O D has a song....SNUFF THE PUNK......pod cool band...like Thousand Foot Crutch ....Cutlass


throw up your rawkfist if you're feelin when I drop this... that's the sound when the rock hits

Nothin to do with surrender...true love has no rules...this place is to build something new...it is about creating that which is not..and has never been...

No love letter has ever been written...no writer exists...

Perhaps one day all will be understood..they hoped.

But they knew not that which they created..and knew not a shred of the outcome..it had never been experienced.

But things sure are getting accomplished now...the battle rages...with no outcome yet to be seen or determined.

Gotta hope live wins out...the alternative is unspeakable.

originally posted by: JugHead
a reply to: Peeple

When you meet God face to face, and he tells you he didn't like your maggot comment, what then?

Who cares..what are we supposed to be scared?

How about a nice Bugger Off lol