Elizabeth Warren releases DNA results to prove she is partially Native American

How many folks are knowledgeable about their own genealogy and have a wee bit of pride about some line from the 1700's in their family history? That's about 10 generations or so back for my family (an offhand calculation, I might be a gen or two off)
I've researched my family history, it's pretty interesting what mine was doing way back when across several European countries. They ran the gamut from Norwegian farmers to Irish shopkeepers to French nobles, just to touch on a few lineages. It's pretty damn interesting to see over subsequent generations how the dirt poor Norwegian farmer's great-grandaughter ended up marrying that French nobleman's great-grandson.

We used to think (with a degree of skepticism) that there was a Mongolian ancestor, but it turned out after much research that an English ancestor had transcribed the name wrong in the 1700s, and it was actually Mangalia, Romania rather than Mongolia. The old snowball effect of transcription errors, lol. 2 As were copied wrong and a family myth was born.
If I hadn't noticed in old family records that the English vowel letters were consistently slightly different over the course of a few generations, and hadn't dug deeper, that mistake would have stood. Hey, I might not have ancestry stretching all the way to Mongolia, but the history of Mangalia itself is pretty interesting & worth researching. It was originally a Greek colony (Callatis) on the Black Sea in the 6th century and invaded many times over the years.

Warren's native ancestry isn't any different from the rest of us, except hers was a native & not a European. Folks can joke and chide all they want about percentages, but those who've researched their families know the smug dickishness isn't worthwhile. My grandmother loved genealogy and used to say, "If you want to know where you're going, look back at where we came from!"

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Got a grip o that sitting bull DNA at 1/512

Hahaha

This is another of those non issues.
I'm just in here having fun.

He can grab her by the scalp...... If he can get his little hands around her head.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

How did Elizabeth Warren make a mockery of her ancestry? This "dirt" was something that was dredged up from some form she filled out, like 25 years ago, in order to make a mockery of her!

Because she engaged Trump on it.

I'm fine with saying that Trump behaves and speaks poorly, especially when he gets someone as a target.

But for someone to reciprocate in that behavior is equally as childish IMO.

The DNA test proves 1/32-1/400~?

PERSPECTIVE! The only one making a big deal out of Elizabeth Warren's family tree is Donald Trump and his followers, who desparately cling to racist mockery as a political tool.

My PERSPECTIVE is the whole thing was petty on all sides. So I'm picking none of them.

Surely you can see that my whole stance on this is it was a hilarious article.

It compared peoples whiteness to Great Britain and Utah ffs.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
I'm just in here having fun.

It's a good thread to do it since we can lampoon the supporters on both sides who are emotionally invested in this stupid issue.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TinySickTears
I'm just in here having fun.

It's a good thread to do it since we can lampoon the supporters on both sides who are emotionally invested in this stupid issue.

Yeah that's always a bonus
I need to step my meme game up though

a reply to: JAGStorm

Everyone has family stories.

MY grandmother recently passed, and we were told one of our ancestor was a scout for Washington.

Don't make it true.

It's like Everyone (white) has a coat of arms. Improbable.

a reply to: neo96

I'm not a fan of the lady, and think this whole thing is silly, but it seems her story was true.

“The vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European but “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor” six to 10 generations ago, according to Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor who analyzed the results."

When you think about 6 generations (or even 10), to me it's not that long ago. I have a photo of my son with his Great grandma, that is 5 generation. Not such a stretch. Is it bad that she is highlighting the little bit of ethnicity she has in her past? C'mon everyone needs a little raspberry in a plain vanilla world

Would it be better if she refused to acknowledge it at all?
I've seen the opposite argument used so many times, some dude claiming white pure white power etc. and everyone says, haaaa take a DNA test.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Fools

I found this odd because my great grandmother on my fathers side was definitely 1/2 Cherokee.

Read the article Neo96 posted, pretty much explains it.
www.newscientist.com...

Thanks, I will read soon.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: CriticalStinker


I think you can end up with 1/512 Native American DNA if you just lick a Cherokee.

More importantly, after I do this can I open a casino and bilk the pale face?

My wife is 5 generations removed. She has family that are actually more than half Cherokee. Indian Ancestry is too far back. Her mom had a child with an Indian largely because she knew she was of Indian descent.

Her native born family members told us my wife was not considered to have enough Indian blood to be allowed in the tribe. I wasn't sure what might happen until I asked if she had enough for us to live on the Reservation as an Indian and we were told no.
Kind of like this:
"can we live on the Reser- NO! -vation?"

I laughed.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Fools
I did a 23 and me deal because they had a 50% off sale a while back. According to 32 and Google me, I was really European and a little tiny bit black, I think 3 percent or so. But ZERO native American. I found this odd because my great grandmother on my fathers side was definitely 1/2 Cherokee. She lived until 1996 and had docs to prove it as well as pictures of her mother from around 1920 or so that show she looked about as 100 percent American Indian as someone possibly could.

(and for those of you that don't know the sad reality of this, my great grandmother was actually ashamed of it. It was not anything she would brag about.)

Because of this, I wonder how good these genetic tests actually are.

BTW, I have never used my documented Indian blood to get any benefits anywhere at anytime nor do I intend to. Unless the Cherokee of Missouri are allowed to open a casino..then I might change my mind. :-)

If you can prove you're 3% black...is it okay for you to use the 'N' word?

I always have. I always will. It just depends on where I am, as it always has. I am a rare person that actually tells the truth about the way I use words and what their meanings are.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Would it be better if she refused to acknowledge it at all?

Nope. I think she should embrace it, just proportionally.

If she's part Cherokee she should only highlight part of it, like the 'Che' part. I think it's only appropriate.

originally posted by: Athetos
Unless some one did the hanky panky with someone else not stated in your genealogy. Snuck right in if you know what I mean.

a reply to: Fools

That could be. A person really never knows. We all think our moms and grandmothers are saints when they are just human.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Her native born family members told us my wife was not considered to have enough Indian blood to be allowed in the tribe.

Then she's part of the wrong tribe and should find another!

I married an Evil Joo so her family jokes that I am part of the Tribe by injection.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Fools

Because of this, I wonder how good these genetic tests actually are.

Most people think that if your Grandmother is 100% something, that makes her child 50%, and you 25%.

However that's not how genetics work. Different genes will be selected for your makeup based off of a few different reasons. Hence why you can have a black sheep in the family who looks like no one, or have a daughter that has a striking resemblance to a grandmother or great grandmother.

Point taken. I don't really know enough about DNA tests in particular to make an honest assessment.

a reply to: JAGStorm

When you think about 6 generations (or even 10), to me it's not that long ago. I have a photo of my son with his Great grandma, that is 5 generation.

Uhhh, no...that's only 4 generations. His great, great, grandmother would be 5 generations.

Now let's put what Warren is saying into perspective.

She's saying, because her great, great, great, grandparent had a trace of American Indian in their blood that she can claim minority status. And, it could be as far back as...great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparent. If you figure the average generation gap is, let's say 30 years, this means she's saying she's a minority because 300 years ago (way back in 1718) she had a relative who had mixed blood then she too has mixed blood.

In genetic breeding (of livestock) we usually say three generations is enough to breed out any bad genetics. She's laying credit to 10 generations!

Make more sense now?

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could probably find some distant relationship to being an American Indian too!

Where's my free stuff???

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TinySickTears
I'm just in here having fun.

It's a good thread to do it since we can lampoon the supporters on both sides who are emotionally invested in this stupid issue.

Yeah that's always a bonus
I need to step my meme game up though

Here's a fitting one for the subject, I made it a Trump one just for you lol

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You know he isn't paying up.

Definitely not

I think he should and then laugh at the word "probably" since it was going such a wide range. Plus 5 Generations doesn't cut it for the Indians.

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Fools

Because of this, I wonder how good these genetic tests actually are.

Most people think that if your Grandmother is 100% something, that makes her child 50%, and you 25%.

However that's not how genetics work. Different genes will be selected for your makeup based off of a few different reasons. Hence why you can have a black sheep in the family who looks like no one, or have a daughter that has a striking resemblance to a grandmother or great grandmother.

Point taken. I don't really know enough about DNA tests in particular to make an honest assessment.

Well the government accessing the data base to find a cold case serial killer showed me that I don't want to take one of those tests anyways.

And not because I'm afraid of being connected to a crime. (Boondock Saints taught me how to deal with blood left at a crime seen.)

But rather the privacy of it. What happens if health insurance companies start buying it off of the companies to charge you more for genetic tenancies towards certain ailments?

LOL

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Because she engaged Trump on it.

What a load of BS! Every time Trump opens his mouth he pulls us all into his swirling cesspool of swamp filth and degrades the national discourse and level of civility for all of us!

Trump goes on and on and on about "Pocahontas", mocks her, dares her to show her DNA, just like he did for 8 years to Obama, trying to illegitimize her, like him for his family tree and cultural background. While she fights against children at the border in cages, children's, senior's and those with pre0condidtions' health care programs.

Although Trump's administration calls her an "impolite and arrogant women", NEVERTHELESS SHE PERSISTED.

Surely you can see that my whole stance on this is it was a hilarious article.

Nope. I see you engaging in "birtherism", making a mockery of Elizabeth Warren based on her family tree and cultural claims. You are doing exactly what you've wrongly accused Elizabeth Warren of doing, to further the degradation and mockery.


She did not engage, she persisted, so Trump better pay that $1 million!