What would be the best state to live in if the US collapses?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Lumenari

I am really surprised you are the only one that mentioned Montana. This is more along my line of thinking, low population, somewhat harsh environment. I know I'd have a better chance of surviving it. I think when SHTF people will take the path of least resistance right, which to me always seems like going further south...

The dirty little secret of NW Montana... the environment here isn't that harsh.

I have had both colder and hotter weather when I lived north of Tulsa, for instance.

When people talk about Montana everyone thinks of Eastern Montana.

Oh!

And for the record, the valley is now full of what the left calls gun nuts... a lot of combat vets and conservatives and farmers.

So the left need not apply. We are full!!!

a reply to: JAGStorm

My personal issue with Montana is I have no experience with that type of winter, so the odds of me dying the first winter is pretty high.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: JAGStorm

Western Montana, near the border.

Zone 6 growing, plenty of critters to chew on, available water, fishing, fuel. Low population.

Competition for resources here means shooting the elk eating your tomatoes, as opposed to being in a knife fight over a can of spam somewhere.

A VERY limited access in the winter months for the Golden Horde.

Where I live, access to a few hundred miles of valley can be controlled by three checkpoints.

4 hydroelectric plants in the same valley... we used to pay $25 every two months for electricity.

$25 every two months!?!?!
I pay about $200 a month now. Really thinking about going solar but am waiting till the election results here in Nevada to make that decision.

I went full offgrid about 6 years ago, with the exception of an internet connection.

But all we were paying for before for electricity was just the use taxes. We didn't have meters till about 10 years ago in some places.

Pays sometimes to get off the beaten path..

Kentucky it’s in the top five per capria in gun ownership, it’s centralized in the eastern states, mountains to the east,, red river gorge area in the middle of the state, good places to hide or fight, lots of rivers/lakes for fishing.
And we grow our own tobacco ( along with just about everything else ever planted )and we make our own liquor.

Now that I think about it we sound like the Hank Williams Junior song.

You would need a few things:
1. Low population
2. A climate that is warm enough to support sustenance crops
3. Running fresh water sources like streams or small rivers
4. Materials readily available for shelter building and fuel
5. Game or fish abundant enough to supply protein.

There are dozens of small pocket areas like this in the USA.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: JAGStorm

My personal issue with Montana is I have no experience with that type of winter, so the odds of me dying the first winter is pretty high.

I have had much harsher winters in Northern Oklahoma than I have ever had here.

The only difference is snow load.

No freezing rain here, no hurricanes, tornadoes.

And before someone brings up Yellowstone blowing up again, the last time it did there was no ash from it here. We are NW of it.

Over 6 feet of it fell in the SW states though... including Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

a reply to: Fallingdown

And Kentucky has a lot of coal!

Keep warm in da winters.

I am betting on eastern Tennessee, somewhere in the mountains. Lots of resources , caves, fresh water. And also a mild climate.

Anything away from a big city is better than nothing. I currently live in a big city in Kentucky, but go 50 miles south, where I have alot of friends living, there are pretty much the same conditions. Lots of fresh water, game and caves.

Just my 2 cents.

a reply to: Fallingdown

I absolutely adore Kentucky, but it's off my list because of the New Madrid Fault.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
You would need a few things:
1. Low population
2. A climate that is warm enough to support sustenance crops
3. Running fresh water sources like streams or small rivers
4. Materials readily available for shelter building and fuel
5. Game or fish abundant enough to supply protein.

There are dozens of small pocket areas like this in the USA.

Got all that covered by nature here, but wanted to go further than canning/processing for the winters.

I grow year round here now.

Growing Spaces

a reply to: Lumenari

Fair enough, the other side of the argument for me at least... I can work and afford to live in Oklahoma and buy property in the SE part of the state to hunt on and build a cabin.


My work experience would leave me a little short on jobs up there.

a reply to: JAGStorm

"What would be the best state to live in if the US collapses? "

State of Intoxication .... better start drinking....

a reply to: Lumenari

Thanks for that link, super cool! (but wow, not cheap!)

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: JAGStorm

"What would be the best state to live in if the US collapses? "

State of Intoxication .... better start drinking....

HAHA I like that response!

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Lumenari

Fair enough, the other side of the argument for me at least... I can work and afford to live in Oklahoma and buy property in the SE part of the state to hunt on and build a cabin.


My work experience would leave me a little short on jobs up there.

Same cost of living here as it is in Bartlesville, OK.

I lived there for 6 years before moving here.

Land costs less here though, property taxes are low, there is no sales tax.

For those who can't find a job that fits their work experience, they just get a job in North Dakota... the Bakken oilfield. Then they work 2 weeks on, two off or 21 on, 10 off.

Lots of 100k jobs there with good benefits and no experience required.

My mental list of fellow Texans who have no weapons/survival skills is very short.
I do know this one chick that hates guns, but she is a skilled potter.

a reply to: M5xaz

In that case I'm ever vigilant

a reply to: seeker1963

Unless you can claim to be an Australian citizen you need to have a ticket back to where you came from before you can get a Visa to New Zealand. Not to mention most people don't have the required proof of funds to stay and we are probably talking about a lot of frozen assets after an apocalypse.

a reply to: JAGStorm

If I remember right during the three 1811/1812 earthquakes .Bells rang in Cincinnati which is the northern end of Kentucky. Eastern Kentucky was uneffective and not much if any damage in Lexington. But Louisville got hit.

I'd have to say Alaska. Plenty of room and not a lot of people. Harsh though.