Tommy Robinson so Correct with his ranting. IMHO

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

What's wrong with the IRA? Can't blame Republicans (even socialist Republicans) from resisting oppressive foreign government rule. I'd personally never tolerate foreign soldiers on US soil let alone rule by their non-American government. That, to me at least, is a natural and expected human reaction to oppression.

I'll proudly say I supported the IRA against Britain for as long as I can remember. Then again, us Republicans/Libertarians stick together. We stick together far better than those leftist authoritarians.

Yes, their methods were undesirable. But so were the actions of the British government. And as they say, when you're fighting tyrannical monsters and oppressive authoritarians things tend get a bit messy. Too much of a gray area, considering every human has the god-given sovereign unalienable right to live free from tyranny and oppression.

Of course, we could always look at Bloody Sunday and how many innocent and patriotic Irish citizens were beaten, raped and murdered. Shame on them.

You openly support a terrorist group that have targeted women and children and many others on public transport, innocent people going about their day to day and you support that... Wow no wonder you want that armored car

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I love it. People missing the point. Riddle me this:

Are the Irish not allowed to resist being invaded by a foreign power? Sure it turned nasty and terroristy later, but it started with an attempted invasion or take-over by the English Crown. That really is where it all started despite what many here seem to think. I am not condoning the violence both sides used, just to be clear, but this wasn't some drunken bar-room fight.

And, just to remind American members, back in the day the IRA received huge financial and logistical help from the citizens of the USA.

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

The point is if you support terrorism you are by definition a terrorist... Careful when you pick sides you might just pick the wrong one...

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I love it. People missing the point. Riddle me this:

Are the Irish not allowed to resist being invaded by a foreign power? Sure it turned nasty and terroristy later, but it started with an attempted invasion or take-over by the English Crown. That really is where it all started despite what many here seem to think. I am not condoning the violence both sides used, just to be clear, but this wasn't some drunken bar-room fight.

And, just to remind American members, back in the day the IRA received huge financial and logistical help from the citizens of the USA.

Aww bless. You are only out by around 700 years. Try the Normans and learn a little.

It seems that some of our posters from the US have a rather rose tinted and ill informed view of Irish history.

They seem to ignore the many Unionists who do not share the Republican viewpoint.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
It seems that some of our posters from the US have a rather rose tinted and ill informed view of Irish history.

They seem to ignore the many Unionists who do not share the Republican viewpoint.

Good point. The NI thing is really very many shades of grey.
Both sides in the troubles did awful things and where we are now is probably the best we could have managed given the complicated nature of it all.

a reply to: SprocketUK


Yes, it is very complicated and many Americans do not understand it and choose to think that everyone in Ireland is a freedom loving Republican being oppressed by the evil British Redcoats.

Hence why they funded the IRA for so long. At least they now seem to be less keen on terrorists thanks to 9/11.

a reply to: Flavian

Did the English not at least try to resist the Romans in the beginning?

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver


Yes we did but don't forget that Ireland was invaded by the Normans and the Scots.

Romans - what did they ever do for us?

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

By the end of the first century AD, Rome had most of southern Britain under its control. Further North, however, was a much wilder place still controlled by fierce warrior tribes, who refused to bow to the Roman Empire.

a reply to: andy06shake

Further North, however, was a much wilder place still controlled by fierce warrior tribes

Still is, mate.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Painterz

Okay, so ats is taken over now by white supremacists. Gotcha.

What on earth have white supremacists got to do with any of this?

That is a stretch for even the most ardent pro-Islamic extremist apologist?

Please try and explain that.

Because Tommy Robinson was a member of the British National Party, a far right fascist Nazi organisation obsessed with bloody purity and white supremacy, mostly populated by skin-head neo-nazis.

He was chairman of the British Freedom Party, which was set up by disgruntled members of the BNP who felt they just weren't quite racist enough.

He is a football hooligan, a convicted criminal, he tried to enter the US with a false passport, he's guilty of fraud, he thinks the Jews should be gassed. But he's done what a lot of his ilk have done lately and realised the whole gassing Jews thing doesn't play very well, but gassing Muslims? Yeah, they can get away with saying that these days. And he knows perfectly well that when he says he blames the Muslim for all of the worlds woes, the subtext is also that the Jews are to blame, and once they deal with the Muslims, they'll get started on the Jews too.

(This strategy was leaked in a batch of neo-nazi emails. Stop talking about Jews, start talking about Muslims, we all know what it means, etc, etc.)

And so, when you get threads on ATS full of people saying oh yeah, that Tommy Robinson is a fine bloke, he's just saying it like it is, we all believe him. You have people actively defending a known white supremacist.

And what do you call somebody who defends a white supremacist, if not a white supremacist themselves?

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

Damn right.

I guess they expected the Irish people to just sit there and take it while they were invaded by foreign nationals and occupied by their military. Which proceeded to rape, pillage, beat and steal. Until the Irish Citizens rose up, raised an army and drove the invaders back, freeing all but 6 counties from the tyranny of foreign occupation and pursue their own political ambitions

It is disgusting to see how many here have believed the BBC propaganda, naturally painting the Irish and the Citizen's IRA as somehow "less than" the British military invaders they were fighting. Naturally, the British can do no wrong and when you accuse them of something their reaction is always the same: "You just don't like the UK!"

....couldn't be the fact that so many are tired of double standards and tired of watching Republicans everywhere villified because they dare to stand up for themselves. And even though they want to make it about politics, it really isn't. There are left-wing Republicans and right-wing Republicans, along with centrist Republicans... and whether Citizens want to form a socialist Republic, a constitutional Republic, a democratic Republic or whatever type of Republic, they have the right to make that choice without influence from a foreign occupying army.

Glad to see all of those replying here would be so docile, so compliant if a foreign army invaded your own country. I know at least us Americans and Irish will not. And yet I still can't help but point out how the many-hundred years resistance by the Irish Republicans mirrors the American revolution against the same enemy for the same reasons.

Unbelievable how many support the American revolution from British tyranny yet can't/won't support the Irish revolution from British tyranny

a reply to: Painterz

Boohoo. I stand up for free speech, non-interference from oppressive government, self-determination and the right to hold unpopular opinions.

YOU or anyone else has NO RIGHT to silence someone merely because you disagree with what they say. How weak are you that silencing your opponents is the only way you can win. That says your argument is weak and pathetic.

Worried these right wingers will continue making the low-information screechers look bad? Should be, they've done a stand up job so far.

And FYI, just because you call someone "racist" or "supremacy this" doesn't make it true. I don't like black supremacists, but you don't see me drooling over them every day and foaming at the mouth to post snippy little meaningless quips, now do you? Of course not, that would be moronic.

The # eating UK government imprisoned Robinson because he dared to point out degenerate sex crimes created by alien invader foreign national squatters. He has every right to be pissed off about his country being invaded by non-British. There are plenty of Muslim countries they can assimilate into without also trying to co-opt Western cultures.

That is why our culture here in the United States has remained where it is. We're more interested in preservation for our own people than being a globalist cuck who feels the need to "save the refugees, maaaan" We have plenty of our own people to worry about. We can't even take care of every American as it is, the ones who pay the government's bill to begin with, so why the hell should some foreigner get priority over them?

America first, to America. Britain first, to Britain. Ireland first, to Ireland. India first, to India. Etc, etc, etc.

a reply to: Painterz

Unlike your country who put someone in jail merely for reporting the news, I can say this loud & proud all day long without fear of consequences. True liberty is something beautiful. You should try it sometime

Anyhow, the secret that the British government was trying to hide is:

Refugee rape gangs were being prosecuted for child sex abuse and because those consisted primarly or exclusively of Muslims the UK government suddenly started Goosestepping to the authoritarian song of silencing opposition via abusing the legal system.

How obscene. How unacceptable. That free speech would be denied and apologists like you would apologize, twist and excuse in the name of anti-racism snowflake BS. You honestly believe throwing someone in jail over free speech is better than some offended snowflake merely icing their posterior and getting the hell over it? Like big boys and big girls do.

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a reply to: oldcarpy

Romans - what did they ever do for us?

Think that went over a few people's head.....

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: JBurns

Agreed, and whoever decided to make this all about the IRA.

You brought the IRA into this discussion.

You and your support for a Socialist group of gangster terrorists!

An American conservative republican supporting socialist terrorists aligned to Muslim extremist terrorists....you really couldn't make it up!

I guess as long as it plays to the anti-English bigotry and hatred that seems to be acceptable that's ok regardless of the contradictions, hypocrisy and double standards its all ok.

Well said, I agree with everything you posted here.

a reply to: JBurns


Wow, you're still going on about the Irish. you should really read up on the history of Ireland and not just the propaganda rubbish, and not just the last 100 years or so either.
It is disgusting to see how mislead and biased some members are here and spout garbage after garbage to make themselves feel better and you still don't understand that some Irish wanted to remain British citizens either, but you're always ranting your anti-British crap here when ever a thread pops up.
I love how you demonize the BBC "propaganda" whilst your own privately owned media pumps bucket loads of the crap out to keep you Americans at each others throats.

That is why our culture here in the United States has remained where it is. We're more interested in preservation for our own people

Yeah, thats why African Americans were still treated like slaves till the 1960's and why people like you believe Robinson is a saint who can do no wrong. Plain and simple, he's a football hooligan who likes to be seen as a hero which is why he changed his name thinking people are to stupid to notice who he was before!!!

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: skywatcher44


Considering that the invaders are anti Semite and Jewish people are now aligning with the AfD in Germany???? How will the progs promote the AfD as anti semite????

The Central Council of Jews in Germany disagree with you but, hey, what would they know? Maybe you can drop them a line and tell them where they should get their information from.

originally posted by: JBurns


Anyhow, the secret that the British government was trying to hide is:

Refugee rape gangs were being prosecuted for child sex abuse and because those consisted primarly or exclusively of Muslims the UK government suddenly started Goosestepping to the authoritarian song of silencing opposition via abusing the legal system.

How obscene. How unacceptable. That free speech would be denied and apologists like you would apologize, twist and excuse in the name of anti-racism snowflake BS. You honestly believe throwing someone in jail over free speech is better than some offended snowflake merely icing their posterior and getting the hell over it? Like big boys and big girls do.

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Do you mean the secret that was covered in the press six months before Tommy Robinson decided to showboat and get himself arrested on purpose?

Even the "leftie" BBC covered it

Funnily enough, Tommy Robinson didn't have a problem with being thrown in jail - he pleaded guilty.

This is all on the public record.