Tommy Robinson so Correct with his ranting. IMHO

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All that aside....what was wrong with what he said?

a reply to: seeker1963

Yet it has more life and hope for the world than the poison you promote?

True - but pedophiles and erring Priests in western countries and their secret backers in Government/Judiciary seem to get a free pass.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

it dos nt mater a sh-t if he called himself gandie in this case what he.s saying is right nobody should be pulled up for having there photo taken its just wrong on every level by the way i am not keen on the plonker my self

a reply to: biggilo

whole culture, our laws and our way of life are all based on Christian values so even if we're atheists we are still also to certain degree Christian.

that ignorant meme has been pushed for too long


www.quora.com...

Western civilisation is not based on Judeo-Christian values. Our civilisation is really based more on Greek philosophy and Romans legal principles than on the Bible. For early Judaism and Christianity, right belief was more important than doing what is morally right — even today Christians debate whether salvation is by faith alone.

A flawed but real form of democracy appeared in Athens, whereas Jews and early Christians insisted on the supremacy of a theocratic rule. If we relied on the Bible, we would never have abolished slavery and we would still be treating women as property. Our notions of a fair trial and natural justice are far removed from ancient or even medieval religious practices

a reply to: biggilo

You really should do some research instead of just spouting off.

founded in Christianity and much of it is taken for granted without any thought. Much of our laws, literature, art and even architecture stem from it

" What is Western architecture? "

wiki
The history of Western architecture is marked by a series of new solutions to structural problems. ... Greek architecture also formalized many structural and decorative elements into three Classical orders—Ionic, Doric, and Corinthian—which, to a greater or lesser extent, have influenced architecture since that time.

a reply to: biggilo

All the major religions are pro-life as far as i am aware.

Their texts call for sacrifices.

The interpretations of those texts by the ruling priesthood are anti-human.

They preach restraint from earthly pleasures for a reward in the afterlife - meanwhile the priests drive Mercedes.

LOL

steven is still a stupid little cockwomble - end thread

a reply to: ignorant_ape

end thread

As you're prone to spout FFS - why?

Who made you a moderator?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

All that aside....what was wrong with what he said?

You mean apart from the fact that all he ever spews is hate? He never seems to state what he's for, just what he's against. And mindless hate against all muslims is senseless. No, this useless pillock has an agenda. I note by the way that UKIP seems to be travelling in his direction, or at least its leader is desperate enough to try and get it moving that way, resulting in MEPs starting to defect from it.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

With all due respect what is actually wrong with what he says in the first four minutes or so of this video?

Yes, he does go off on some sort of incoherent rant.
Yes, he never offers solutions.

But what is wrong with what he says?

a reply to: Freeborn

As AngryCymraeg says, all he ever does is spew hate. Constantly. If you spew enough sh!#, sooner or later you spew a little truth but that doesn't make it valid.

But honestly, if all you ever do is complain and rant, then what actual use are you? The guy is a cancer on society.

a reply to: Flavian

I'm not a great fan of his....in fact I think he's a bit of a knobhead.
But quite often there is an element of truth in what he says....and on this occasion he is bang on the money.

Watch the video and tell me what he say's wrong in the first four minutes or so.

By just dismissing outright what he says simply because its him saying it is equally as ignorant at times.
We can not allow him to be the sole purveyor of certain truths, that could only serve to force people into extremism themselves.

There IS an element of truth in what he says and people need to start acknowledging this and start acting upon it.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

With all due respect what is actually wrong with what he says in the first four minutes or so of this video?

Yes, he does go off on some sort of incoherent rant.
Yes, he never offers solutions.

But what is wrong with what he says?

Where do I even start? I think (he never actually says) that the person from the Muslim Council of GB that he mentions is Daud Abdullah, who has never said that British soldiers should be blown up by suicide bombers. Then he starts ranting about how he's never been arrested for hate crimes. That's true, but he omits the fact that he's been arrested for fraud and tax evasion and actually deported from the US. Oh and he was a member of the BNP, an organisation that was far-right and racist. In other words he combined lies with evasions and cloaks it all in faux-patriotism and free speech.

a reply to: Freeborn

I will watch it all again tonight when i get home and then get back to you.

Have to say though, he has a history of making false and leading claims and statements - so i don't see why this should be any different. And as i said before, if you spew enough rubbish, sooner or later there will be a nugget within it.

I think you'll find you're the one 'spouting off'.

I said Western CULTURE not civilisation, if you don't understand the difference I suggest you go read some books (instead of the Internet), I'm not here to educate the uneducated.

I have done quite a bit of reading into Western Eurooean culture and what formed the basis of it and not from the Internet but actual books.

Everything I have said has been correct, I'm sorry if you don't like it but that's how it is.

*the 'top' answer in one of the links you posted to quora is completely ignorant to the Renaissance and the Reformation and you honestly post that nonsense to corroborate what you said?!

Could someone summarise for me what he is saying? - can't watch the vid at the moment.

Thanks.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Could someone summarise for me what he is saying? - can't watch the vid at the moment.

Thanks.

Stephen stopped at a service station and had a selfie taken with Army lads. they looked about 16/17 years old. The army confiscated their phones, Stephen is raging. The End.

a reply to: oldcarpy
Apparently he was at a motorway service station and recognised by a group of soldiers who had their pictures taken with him. They posted the pics on their social media then the Army started an investigation into the soldiers who have all had their mobile phones confiscated.
He also said the Muslim Council of Britain have complained about troops having pictures taken with him, then asserted that 4 times as many Muslim males joined ISIS compared to the numbers who joined the Army.

That was about up to the 3 minute mark and I stopped watching then.
It's a tricky one, they were in their uniforms and he is a controversial personality but as he says, he has never been convicted of any race/hate crimes etc.
'Bringing the Army into disrepute' is what I expect they are looking at, and with such a vague military law I can see it all being down to interpretation.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: oldcarpy
Apparently he was at a motorway service station and recognised by a group of soldiers who had their pictures taken with him. They posted the pics on their social media then the Army started an investigation into the soldiers who have all had their mobile phones confiscated.
He also said the Muslim Council of Britain have complained about troops having pictures taken with him, then asserted that 4 times as many Muslim males joined ISIS compared to the numbers who joined the Army.


That was about up to the 3 minute mark and I stopped watching then.
It's a tricky one, they were in their uniforms and he is a controversial personality but as he says, he has never been convicted of any race/hate crimes etc.
'Bringing the Army into disrepute' is what I expect they are looking at, and with such a vague military law I can see it all being down to interpretation.

just to pick one thing out, I found this via searching, its from Newsweek, and as the man himself said, his estimates are conservative, so Tommy R probably isn't too far off, in the ball park, certainly.

Khalid Mahmood, the MP for Perry Barr in Birmingham, estimates that at least 1,500 young British Muslims have been recruited by extremists fighting in Iraq and Syria in the last three years.
Mahmood told Newsweek that this figure had been building since the start of the Syrian conflict: "If you look across the whole of the country, and the various communities involved, 500 going over each year would be a conservative estimate.”
According to the Ministry of Defence, there are only around 600 British Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces, making up approximately around 0.4% of total personnel. 4.3% of the British population are Mussauce

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Thank you. Looks like the Army just being a bit PC. Nothing about this triggers me much.