Ford - Kavanaugh Hearings 9-27-18

originally posted by: Chance321

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Does anyone realize that there is a TWO year plan to delay & disrupt and ultimately STOP the SCOTUS nomination until the next election??? Getting past midterms is just Phase 1 depending on the outcome. This WHOLE presidency has been one long Reality TV formatted multi-episode's to Focus and distract the general population of the United States?

Sounds like the country is being blackmailed.

But by whom? It certainly isn't that democrats, they are just being used in this play.

a reply to: Guyfriday

And in the shady looking manner which she handed it to him....

We'll never know though. We only have what they tell us and no way to prove anything contrary....

A2D

I find this whole conversation fascinating. Only two people on the planet know who is telling the truth and yet so many are willing to take sides, simply because they believe what their party tells them to believe.

This should be handled in the court with jurisdiction in the matter in and honest world. Not in a public lynching of both of the people concerned. None of us know which person is lying or we could prove it, right here, right now. It's all based on emotion and partisan hate.

How hard is it to honestly say, I don't know who is telling the truth? I don't. Neither does anyone else other than the people involved. Party line votes are proof positive of what I'm suggesting. McConnell says dance and they dance, Schumer says dance and the other side dances. The only thing that matters to them is not "We the People", its the next election that controls them.

Two peoples lives have now been destroyed in a way they will never recover from, but hey, that's OK right? Of the people, for the people has been a lie for a long, long time if it ever was true.

a reply to: Guyfriday

But by whom? It certainly isn't that democrats, they are just being used in this play.

The democrats are just as much to blame as their masters/handlers. Follow the money, It's got to be somebody with very deep pockets, somebody who has a vested interest to keep fanning the flames of hate going.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I find this whole conversation fascinating. Only two people on the planet know who is telling the truth and yet so many are willing to take sides, simply because they believe what their party tells them to believe.

You're either in or you're out.

At least, that's what I think.

It doesn't matter if it's true, it only matters if it's truth.

Our story so far.

originally posted by: Chance321
a reply to: Guyfriday

But by whom? It certainly isn't that democrats, they are just being used in this play.

The democrats are just as much to blame as their masters/handlers. Follow the money, It's got to be somebody with very deep pockets, somebody who has a vested interest to keep fanning the flames of hate going.

Following the money get's you nowhere. Follow the power, then you will find out what's going on here (and no money does not equal power like most people say)

If you were to follow the money you would find out quickly that both parties are to blame, but if you were to dig into who is gaining power from these events you will see that neither party really gains anything. Let me use a little looked at thing to better explain all this;
Those blue boxes you see out in parking lots that collect clothing for the poor. One of the larger groups that put those out there are really collecting those clothes to resell them over seas in countries like Africa and India. It's a billion dollar industry that nobody even gives a second thought to because they would rather believe that the clothes they donate are going to a good cause. Here's the groin grind though, if you were to backtrack this company that puts those boxes out in parking lots, all you will see is that they are a charity that gives clothes to the needy. You will never find the money trail leading back to the people behind the scam, nor will you ever figure out who was benefiting from these resellers market.

If you go back and look at who is gaining power from all of this though, what you will find is that the same people who used to control the British textile mills in these countries are the same people who are maintaining control over the populace in these countries by flooding the markets with cheep clothes that prevent the uses of the old textile mills from being profitable for the new people who have taken over them. So while money is being made, it's not the end game. No, the end game is maintaining control over the people that used to be indebted to you as worker/slaves by preventing them from getting ahead in life. Oh don't worry, if too many people try and head off the situation by reinventing the wheel or something, an up-rising happens and then Peace keepers are called in to deal with it. These peace keepers then destroy major infrastructure and again force the formerly independent countries to now need assistance from the country that was in charge of them during their colony days. Again not about money, only about power.

a reply to: Blaine91555

My first post on page 2 of this thread before it started...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We're not there yet, but getting closer...

originally posted by: carlncarl
did she ever say when she went to the bathroom in this entire scenario? I know she drank a beer, then had to use the bathroom, never made it to the bathroom, was attacked, then left the house, when did she pee? that is the part of the story I would need to fill in to really believe her.

IIRC, when she ran out of the room where she was being attacked with loud music playing. She ran across the hall to the bathroom and stayed there until she heard BK and MJ ping pong down the stairs laughing. Then ran out of the house and went home some unknown way.

Did they turn off the musIc so she could hear them ping ponging down the stairs laughing?

a reply to: Guyfriday

Thankfully, there's something we can do about it.

If we sell our clothes overseas ourselves, we can cut out the middleman.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Good post.

I agree with you, but i will take a slight difference of opinion.

I think that sometimes we default to saying both sides suck (they do) and that leads us to sort of cop out calling out when one side is particularly egregious.

The democrats are to blame for this mess far more so than the republicans, and they should be called out.

I know i sound bias as I lean republican. all i can say is that I routinely call them out.

But what I saw yesterday and these past two weeks is the lowest of the low.

The democrats sat on this allegation gor weeks, and leaked it, this ensuring this circus would occur.

The republicans have said and did dumb things, but no where near what the dems did, in this situation.

The republicans were nice to ford almost to their detriment, not out of a sense of nobility, but out of fear to be called sexist or racist (even though for is white).

The democrats were vitriolic and disgusting.

They have treated both ford and kavanaugh like garbage.

They made this a public spectacle and are continuing to capitalize on that.

We need to call this out in the strongest possible terms.

And all i can say is that if and when the Republicans ever do anything like this, i will call them out just as harshly.

a reply to: Majic

Spot on

originally posted by: Identified

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: DanDanDat
With my tinfoil hat on ... the person(s) I'd like to hear more about/from are the "friends on the beach" ... I think they are the leaver that can blow this whole thing wide open.

Yeah...that was really odd. She names everyone else except her "beach friends" and the boyfriend that supposedly introduced her to Kav....

Isn't that same 'boyfriend' the Kavanaugh lookalike that says he was the person who told the committee he was really responsible?

It's the guy that Whelan found, but I dont know if he is the same one that said he was the assaulter.

Personally I think her story is a combination of multiple stories.

I think she has major psychological issues and has had a particular story in her head to be a sympathy victim.

She was either used or was politically motivated to do this. Her testimony today showed that.

Her husband said in an interview that Christine left Maryland and doesn't have much contact with her parents because she felt "they didn't show her the respect and attention she deserved."

When she claimed the most traumatic thing during the entire supposed incident was being laughed at by the two boys I knew then she was the type that was more traumatized by an embarrassment than any assualt she may or may not have had.

I'm a woman and I can tell you that most women can spot a manipulative woman a mile away. She is manipulative and she is vindictive when she isn't getting the attention she thinks she deserves or feels she isn't respected.

My wife has been saying something like this to me. She had several Psych courses that involved discussions of deviant people that are guilty of assault and worse. I heard enough of the examples that now I can't turn sideways with out thinking thanks to those classes, is that a creepy move to my sweetheart?

a reply to: ausername

All that's left is figuring out whether we live under a mediocracy or a mediacracy.

Based on the latest available data, I'm reasonably convinced they are not mutually exclusive.

originally posted by: Majic
a reply to: Guyfriday

Thankfully, there's something we can do about it.

If we sell our clothes overseas ourselves, we can cut out the middleman.

Thank the Pantheon for Craig's list, right? Seriously if you wanted to make an impact though, the thing to do is not partake in those blind donation boxes, and also seek out buying stuff from the global communities that are being suppressed. Though it won't make that much of a difference while the UN still dumps their peace keepers into these countries, but we can dry out the feed supplies of these groups at least.

a reply to: Grambler

I have no problem with what you are saying, but at the same time, I can't help but think the Republicans were not more worried about the elections than getting it right.

I will readily concede, this time the Democrats sunk to a new low. They destroyed one of their own to get at the other side without regard for either.

If I discuss my views on social issues, I'm labeled a Democrat. If I discuss my views on fiscal issues, I'm labeled a Republican. I'm homeless

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I find this whole conversation fascinating. Only two people on the planet know who is telling the truth and yet so many are willing to take sides, simply because they believe what their party tells them to believe.

On my part it's playing the law of averages combined with belief in "innocence until guilt is proven." Simply put, nothing claimed by Ford has been backed up by evidence, up to and including her failure to get coroboration from the only other 3 people at that party... even to the point where any of them were able to confirm they were even at a house with her and Kavanaugh.

At that point, we see we are dealing with accusations totally absent evidence and lacking anything beyond he said/she said, which means the accused must have the benefit of doubt or we're abandoning every judicial principle the nation was founded on.

I look at this as a father of a son, as the son of a father, and as a man and I say to myself "My God, if we entertain these evidenceless accusation such as this, we as men are doomed... and we've got fellow men advocating for this change in judicial procedures..."

originally posted by: Blaine91555
If I discuss my views on social issues, I'm labeled a Democrat. If I discuss my views on fiscal issues, I'm labeled a Republican. I'm homeless

...if it makes you feel any better, you'll always be left of me on every issue, but also always welcome to crash at my house while you find yourself a new home.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: soberbacchus

According to Ford it was leaked. Democrats blamed Republicans. Republicans then proved it had to be someone Ford trusted since the Democrats and her lawyers that the Democrats bought for her are the only ones who had it.

According to Ford, she told friends on the beach and that is where the leak originated.

The Dems did not out her, though that is convenient rhetoric as long as facts aren't involved.

Cause she tetsified only her, her democratic congresswoman, and fienstein teams had that letter.

And it was leaked, so one of them did it.

You might be conflating two different things.

A) Her name being leaked to the media and thus her going public. She said this happened after discussing with "beach friends"

B) The letter being shared with the press.

As best I can tell A) happened before B)

The letter wasn't leaked, it was part of the press explaining her accusation once she went public.

Can you please demonstrate otherwise if you disagree?

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Grambler

I have no problem with what you are saying, but at the same time, I can't help but think the Republicans were not more worried about the elections than getting it right.

I will readily concede, this time the Democrats sunk to a new low. They destroyed one of their own to get at the other side without regard for either.

If I discuss my views on social issues, I'm labeled a Democrat. If I discuss my views on fiscal issues, I'm labeled a Republican. I'm homeless

Libertarian or classic liberal, thats about were I stand as well.

I will say again, I dont know if i would like kavanaugh on the court; we may differ on privacy issues, corporate money, federal reserve policy, drug policy, and maybe many more.

This isnt about that to me.

The republicans are no angels, look what they did to garland.

But I have never seen anything like this. I truly believe that although many of tghe republicans are all in for just the piolitical reasons, they are also scared of the precedent being set.

That is why they wouldnt even dare ask ford one question. The power of weaponizing sex assault is immense. To question it makes you a pariah.

This was one of the lowest most disgusting things I have ever seen. Even on ats we have people laughing about kavanaughs emotions, saying how the dems looked good and the republicans looked bad. This is not living in reality.

This is going to end very very badly. More people will be embopldened to not only weaponize the metoo movement, but to mob politicians and others fto force their point, all while having a sense of righteousness.

It is eerily similar to the witch trials.

I group of people destroying all they oppose with mere accusations without proof, all the while having the upmost certainty they are morally superior.

We need to call out the dmeocrats for this, we are already possible at the pint it is too late.

If you hate republicans as well, i have no problem with that. They do many things i hate as well, and at the top levels i think them and the dems are the same.

But we must reject the behavior we saw yesterday, and those doing it, without trying to be diplomatic and acting like everyone does things like this.