Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: AdamE

Have you looked into the effects of the Electromagnetic field of the earth at certain locations Adam as hinted at by John on the most recent KGRA show?

Looking into this matter, certain investigators have noted that its not necessarily the strength of the EM Force, but the actual pattern of them and the information contained within them and how they are interpreted by the nerves within the brain....

a reply to: mirageman

Ebens....always the bloody Ebens......

a reply to: mirageman

Disclosure makes them unemployed

Now imagine that!

originally posted by: mirageman

These are the people that have obfuscated the subject for years because they have their own agendas. Disclosure makes them unemployed. Remember that. Don't become a player in their games.

Hammer meet nail (or for our more refined UK friends, "Where the lorry meets the road"). All of us would be better served to never forget this.

Ufology is a black market item. There is no recognized authority, oversight, consensus, or public dissemination of the information. We need a "Space Brothers LTD" earnings call (let's just take this analogy all the way...). The IC controls the narrative but only because there is no competition in the market. Until another sovereign administration or agency offers an alternate "product" all we have is what our own governments feed us, and there are no controls in place for the average UFO consumer to vette the information other than "Just believe us". Bigelow could level the playing field a little better but he won't talk. The Russians could counter the US's stranglehold on the information by beating them to the disclosure punch but they aren't talking either. The Chinese aren't going to budge, probably ever, until they're forced to due to another superpower pulling the trigger.

Regardless of the current situation or eventual outcome, never forget that Disclosure would put a large swathe of ufologists out of business. They need the obfuscation because if the truth were freely available then they no longer have a market to sell their stories & conjecture on. It would be the "F___, my book sales!" heard 'round the world.

Michael Persinger of the God Helmet Fame, also showed a keen interest in the odd goings on in the Sedona area and the is quoted in a white paper on the oddness of Sedonda, mostly around the differences there in the Earths Electro Magnetic Field.

Quite an interesting quote, that considering all things RFI, certainly makes you thunk...considering the changes in the area and atmosphere earlier on in December of that year...

"All behaviors, including consciousness, are generated by and correlated with brain activity. The activity can be conceived as complex matrices of electromagnetic patterns and their associated chemical changes. Weak intensity complex magnetic fields generated by the earth and by human technology affect consciousness and experience. The critical factor is not the intensity of the fields but their patterns and the information contained within the patterns. Those patterns that are most similar to the natural temporal configurations of brain activity are most effective." --Michael Persinger, Behavioral Neuroscience

a reply to: ParticleNode

The "phenomenon" needs all this three ring circus as well.

Once all our brains stop being confused and vulnerable,
it's access to our systems will be much decreased.

It's like the press... there is no such thing as 'bad press'
when it comes to the 'phenomenon', which is why I've
pondered no longer writing about it.

(yes, quite literally the entire goal is to keep us off-balance..
to never be the same twice.. to never be 'caught'. To seemingly
be 'caught' (say with IR), only to be 'uncaught' later.)

I'm speaking about one specific aspect to the phenomenon,
which seems active in our world.. not the whole thing..
which is epic in scale.

Just putting out that it does take two to tango.

a reply to: mirageman

Well I think we are entitled (whether jokingly or more seriously) to attack some people when they present their opinions as fact.

I agree. But I have a mind of my own and listen but it doesn't mean I have to accept their opinions on the show either.
Which was my reason for posting, to get OUR views on the document discussed. I was merely pointing out where it was discussed rather than what was discussed.

I've read Nick Redfern postulate a couple times, that cash-lundrum
was linked to RFI.

Other than the closeness in time.. I don't get the comparison.

In Cash-Lundrum, Ms. Cash basically had her skin melted off..
and the 'object' was some distance away.

For RFI, you have people claiming to be almost point blank,
and nothing happened to them at all, unless you discuss
JB, and his injury was extremely targeted.. not the whole
body radiation of Cash-Lundrum.

Not to mention the size difference between the supposed
teeny tiny trouble toy hauler maybe 6 feel tall and the
Cash-Lundrum incident seemed to indicate something at
last the size of a largish airplane.

I just don't see a correlation between the two stories.

Near correlation in time does not equate to causation.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Cash- Landrum is difficult to fit into it all.

However the goings on at Kirtland AF base in late 1980 may have more relevance. It was brought up a number of times in the old thread. For example here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

But every time it comes up it eventually gets sidelined fairly rapidly.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Cash- Landrum is difficult to fit into it all.

However the goings on at Kirtland AF base in late 1980 may have more relevance. It was brought up a number of times in the old thread. For example here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

But every time it comes up it eventually gets sidelined fairly rapidly.

Agreed. There was also reference to Soviet satellites being interfered with, according to the research of Greg Bishop, somewhere in the mix.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

(Larry Warren's story IS Bustinza's story - not saying Larry is lying,

Yes we can.

just that we can ignore his POV

Good, as we should do with all con artists.

a reply to: mirageman

Wouldn't it be interesting if Kirtland base had 'interesting' / "novel"
types of Radar/EM towers that weren't commonly installed at AFB's
but did happen to be installed at an AFB (rental or not) near the
twin bases?

Then one could do a study of 'orb sightings' around military bases
with that type of radar/EM tower and see if there was a correlation.

I can't scrape up that data however.

You are very correct on Bennewitz.. the 'plasmas' are rarely
brought up, and the psychological assassination of Bennewitz and the
intercepted radio traffic are usually the main points mentioned.

originally posted by: AdamE
a reply to: mirageman

Well I think we are entitled (whether jokingly or more seriously) to attack some people when they present their opinions as fact.

I agree. But I have a mind of my own and listen but it doesn't mean I have to accept their opinions on the show either.
Which was my reason for posting, to get OUR views on the document discussed. I was merely pointing out where it was discussed rather than what was discussed.

You posted the link. What are your views then?

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Good, as we should do with all con artists. 

Damn just to think despite all of this Penniston was all over Larry even suggesting he attend the 2011 conference in Arizona. It also did not prevent John Burroughs inviting both larry and his son over to visit with him.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

originally posted by: AdamE
a reply to: mirageman

Well I think we are entitled (whether jokingly or more seriously) to attack some people when they present their opinions as fact.

I agree. But I have a mind of my own and listen but it doesn't mean I have to accept their opinions on the show either.
Which was my reason for posting, to get OUR views on the document discussed. I was merely pointing out where it was discussed rather than what was discussed.

You posted the link. What are your views then?

I already made them.

These are the types of subject matter that one would study when applied to the characteristics of some of the phenomenon we are discussing. (As well as leading to breakthroughs into the development of potential space/military assets for now and the near future) These are also the type of subjects I have been studying to try to understand this type of phenomenon.

a reply to: AdamE

Right. Keep studying then.

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think going back in time to the original Bentwater cottages and even much earlier to look for clues would be fruitful.
There is a superposition of information that is self canceling.
The myriads of bits that get lost are what you are NOT interested in.
All it would take is someone disclosing the proper keys.

This is one of the best remote viewing results for the craft, much deeper than it looks.

The drawing also reminds me of an image in the pdf, on pdf pg 19 ' NASA’S CONTRIBUTIONS TO VOLUME 1 - AERODYNAMICS - STRUCTURES - PROPULSION - CONTROLS
This was published in 2010, though the picture would be in their archives before the publication.
www.nasa.gov...

I have made 5 attempts at uploading a download copy of the picture, but it will not appear in my gallery.

The reason I bring this to attention is to see if there is any trace of influence at any point, when drawing the pictures?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Does this story sound vaguely familiar?

On 2 Sept 80, SOURCE related on 8 Aug 80, ...

...three Security Policemen assigned to 1608 SPS, KAFB, NM, on duty inside the Manzano Weapons Storage Area sighted an unidentified light in the air that traveled from North to South over the Coyote Canyon area of the Department of Defense Restricted Test Range on KAFB, NM. The Security Policemen identified as: SSGT STEPHEN FERENZ, Area Supervisor, ATC MARTIN W. RIST and AMN ANTHONY D. FRAZIER, were later interviewed separately by SOURCE and all three related the same statement; at approximately 2350 hrs., while on duty in Charlie Sector, East Side of Manzano, the three observed a very bright light in the sky approximately 3 miles North-North East of their position.

The light traveled with great speed and stopped suddenly in the sky over Coyote Canyon. The three first thought the object was a helicopter, however, after observing the strange aerial maneuvers (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills. The light landed in the Coyote Canyon area. Sometime later, three witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high speed and disappear.....

See : www.nicap.org...

They came from Europa.

a reply to: AdamE

I have made 5 attempts at uploading a download copy of the picture, but it will not appear in my gallery.

Try shrinking the size and compressing it as there are limits to file sizes of pics (500kb I think).