Defamation of Character -Kavanaugh

a reply to: dawnstar

How many women said trump sexually assaulted them?

And you are correct. Bill Clinton made sexual assault against women acceptable. His wife even attacked his victims.

a reply to: Wayfarer

There are only 94 of them and they must be nominated and appointed. Seems in the 3 years of partisan fighting to get the position this lady would have at least once heard of the guys success and written a letter?
Or is it ok to her for him to just get to serve on the dc court?

originally posted by: Wayfarer


Dude why are you hinging your argument on a hypothetical police report. There was no police report.

Why aren't you assessing the merits of the argument in the assumptive light of a police report corroborating her story?

I'm saying in the end there would have been nothing to put into a report even if she went to the police, which we all know she didn't...didn't even tell a friend...no one for 30 years and then she says she used it as a point in a failing marriage...

Its all moot anyways he says he was never even there...

a reply to: Bluntone22

according to wikapedia, around 19..
including a rape allegation by a minor.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dawnstar

How many women said trump sexually assaulted them?

Probably more than a hundred Fame Seekers and gold diggers over the years.

a reply to: carewemust

One real one is to many

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xtrozero

She says he tried to remove her clothes against her will. That's all that needs to have happened to be categorically defined as sexual assault.

Regardless of whether Kavanaugh did in fact assault Ford or not, you're making a lot of rape apologist arguments here. It really doesn't sound good.

Oh my goodness! If that is all that needs to happen a lot of kids who grew up in the 80s are going to be classed as sexual assaulters. It just happened to be a prank that kids did back then. Yank a boys swim trunks down or a girls bikini top. It was done in fun with friends. Yes, it was embarrassing, you would cover and run!

No one back then considered it to be sexual assault, but with your post quoted it seems that it is. Even worse if you can accuse someone now of such a charge! Rediculous. At this rate folks are going to be sexual assaulters for simply asking someone out in 2050!

Hmm, ok, just so I understand you clearly, you're intimating that if Kavanaugh held down this girl unwillingly and tried to remove her clothes, thats just 'kids being kids'?

Honestly, no one wanted their bikini loosened nor swim trunks ripped off. We all wiggled and ran to hide. It was horseplay. Now, whether this is simple misinterpreted horseplay or not in this case, I have no real facts...just saying it is possible.

Plus your original quote would tag me as some sexual assaulter since I did tackle a boy and wriggled his trunks off and dove in the lake. He was being a baby saying the water was too cold...so I forced him to swim to shore and collect his shorts by leaving him on the floating raft.

So naturally, I personally would like this to all be settled and determine whether my own past will come back and destroy my future.

a reply to: Xtrozero

lol.. ya there would be..
starting with a bunch of underage drinking which would have probably got the parents of whichever kid's house this was into some legal trouble.
but let see...
preventing her from leaving the room...
pushing her into the bed and holding her down...
holding his hand over her mouth to keep her from screaming
two things come to mind... false imprisonment and assault...

originally posted by: angeldoll

I don't want him to be sworn in because I'm afraid he supports authoritarianism.

He has done more for women in the judicial system than anyone else... does that have any merit?

He is a Constitutionalist which is what we want on the highest court to rule with the Constitution in mind, is that what you mean by authoritarianism?

a reply to: CynConcepts

Not responding to the specifics of your post, but the overall theme.

We do need to have a serous discussion in this country as to what is acceptable sexually, what is slight unacceptable (as in innapropriate but not criminal) what is a small crime, and what is a huge crime.

The problem is there are no clear definitions at all.

For example, people are now making the argument to no person intoxicated can consent to sex. That would mean anyone who has ever had sex with somone drunk (even if they were drunk) has committed rape.

It therefore would not take much for someone to truely believe they were raped for having drunk sex, and then make an allegation decades later. Perhaps a person really regrets the sex, and after 30 years, that has shifted to an authentic belief they were raped.

Or perhaps a flirtatious move went over the line, such as touching somewhere or giving a kiss; and the offender thinks it was just a bad misunderstanding, but the other person feels like a victim.

Its so tough to try to figure all of this out, while taking alleged victims claims with respect, and also giving the benefit of inncoent until proven guilty.

Thats why at this point, I dont know if this woman of kavanaugh are correct.

However, I know for a fact that feinstein and the dems that sat on this are disgusting hypocrites that are using an alleged sexual assualt merely for their benefit, and we should all condemn that.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Wayfarer


Hmm, ok, just so I understand you clearly, you're intimating that if Kavanaugh held down this girl unwillingly and tried to remove her clothes, thats just 'kids being kids'?

Do you think her being a left wing activist and a professional psychologist might come into play in a situation where nothing came out of it, but just maybe she trying to make it something to fulfill her activist side of things?

Doesn't any of this look even a bit fishy to you? When 65 women come forward and say nothing be great things about him for the last 35 years all of a sudden we get one activist that has a story from 35 years ago...And she doesn't even remember the date in the span of 2 years?

Sure, its entirely possible she is lying or making this up for an agenda. I can't make an assumption one way or another without some kind of investigation or deeper dive into the accusations (and neither can anyone else for that matter).

For the record of the 65 women on the Republican's list, only 2 have opted to 'remain on the list' upon questioning by reporters.

a reply to: dawnstar

Maybe she's into it.... just sayin, I've met a few lol

A2D

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Wayfarer

There are only 94 of them and they must be nominated and appointed. Seems in the 3 years of partisan fighting to get the position this lady would have at least once heard of the guys success and written a letter?
Or is it ok to her for him to just get to serve on the dc court?

Can anyone here name the last Court of Appeals judge nominee? How about Supreme Court nominees?

Make sense how this may have been the only time this info reached her.

a reply to: Wayfarer

Actually she claims she did know of his appointments.

a reply to: CynConcepts
just out of curiosity, how old were you?

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Wayfarer

There are only 94 of them and they must be nominated and appointed. Seems in the 3 years of partisan fighting to get the position this lady would have at least once heard of the guys success and written a letter?
Or is it ok to her for him to just get to serve on the dc court?

Can anyone here name the last Court of Appeals judge nominee? How about Supreme Court nominees?

Make sense how this may have been the only time this info reached her.

Well apparently she knew the two men were well placed in Washington back in 2012, so I would say she had the info and was up to date.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xtrozero

She says he tried to remove her clothes against her will. That's all that needs to have happened to be categorically defined as sexual assault.

Regardless of whether Kavanaugh did in fact assault Ford or not, you're making a lot of rape apologist arguments here. It really doesn't sound good.

Oh my goodness! If that is all that needs to happen a lot of kids who grew up in the 80s are going to be classed as sexual assaulters. It just happened to be a prank that kids did back then. Yank a boys swim trunks down or a girls bikini top. It was done in fun with friends. Yes, it was embarrassing, you would cover and run!

No one back then considered it to be sexual assault, but with your post quoted it seems that it is. Even worse if you can accuse someone now of such a charge! Rediculous. At this rate folks are going to be sexual assaulters for simply asking someone out in 2050!

Hmm, ok, just so I understand you clearly, you're intimating that if Kavanaugh held down this girl unwillingly and tried to remove her clothes, thats just 'kids being kids'?

Honestly, no one wanted their bikini loosened nor swim trunks ripped off. We all wiggled and ran to hide. It was horseplay. Now, whether this is simple misinterpreted horseplay or not in this case, I have no real facts...just saying it is possible.

Plus your original quote would tag me as some sexual assaulter since I did tackle a boy and wriggled his trunks off and dove in the lake. He was being a baby saying the water was too cold...so I forced him to swim to shore and collect his shorts by leaving him on the floating raft.

So naturally, I personally would like this to all be settled and determine whether my own past will come back and destroy my future.

Well so if I held you down against your will (lets just assume you don't know how devlishly handsome I am) such that it was clearly something you didn't want, and try and remove your top, your bra, your pants, etc, that you would be fine with that?

You may be the first female rape/sexual assault apologist I've met, so that's a new one for me.

For the record if you did that to the boy now you would indeed be at risk of being charged with sexual assault. Just because the culture of the past had its own way doesn't make it right. That's why things like slavery, women not voting, etc are bygone relics and not pillars of our great nation that we cherish.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Xtrozero

lol.. ya there would be..
starting with a bunch of underage drinking which would have probably got the parents of whichever kid's house this was into some legal trouble.
but let see...
preventing her from leaving the room...
pushing her into the bed and holding her down...
holding his hand over her mouth to keep her from screaming
two things come to mind... false imprisonment and assault...

Yes her account, if accurate, ti me constitues a serious deal and in my mind, and attempted rape.

This is different than just grabbing someone once, or trying to make out with them.

Now the key is IF it is accurate.

It could be 100% true, or a total fabrication, or anything in between.

She admits to being drunk, she admits to not being able to remember many of the details.

Maybe the truth was somewhere in between. Maybe she was in to it, and then it went to far and she got scared and pushed him off. Maybe she got kavanaugh confused with someone else there. Maybe he did grab her but immediately stopped when his friend came in, and this was tramatic for the woman, but over the years she has let her mind sort of embelish what happened.

Or again, it could all be made up, or absolutely true.

How are we to know? Sure lets here from both of them. But at the end of the day, we are probably just going to come to s descision on what we feel based on our own personal biases.

Thats why I do not like these accusations having this sort of power in politics; people should be innocent until proven guilty (which btw I have said of dems like franken and ellison as well) and this being found guilty in the court of public opinion is a very dangerous precedent.

a reply to: Agree2Disagree
seems to me that if she was into it, like you said, he wouldn't have had to have his hand over her mouth to keep her from screaming???

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Agree2Disagree
seems to me that if she was into it, like you said, he wouldn't have had to have his hand over her mouth to keep her from screaming???

Which is not proven to have occurred. She can't remember how she got there. Can't remember how she got home. Can't remember the YEAR it happened. Why do you believe any of the rest of what she says is accurate?