Oliver the Human-Chimp Hybrid / Humanzee

originally posted by: peacefulpete

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: peacefulpete

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: peacefulpete

I don't have proof of what? Factually his y-DNA was never tested, i.e. his paternal DNA was never tested. It's all factual.

That this chimp was a hybrid.

There is no evidence.

The evidence is his morphological anomalies.

To your untrained eye. To a primatologist or Anthropologist, what you view as an anomaly is within the the standard range of variation. You’re commenting out of your depth. It really is that simple.

Out of my depth? Then who is allowed to comment on such topics? Only geneticists? Are you going to tell me now that YOU are a geneticist?

A geneticist? No, Paleoanthropologidt with a qualified level of knowledge on ancient Pleistocene genetics in european Homijids, specifically Neanderthal. So while not a geneticist, I’m certainly qualified to determine when someone else is running with a pet hypothesis and who knows the material they are debating.

Oliver's anomalies are obviously NOT in the standard range of variation. He is the ONLY chimp known to walk upright habitually, for example, with a skeleton that was apparently "built" for walking upright.

Again, you’re completely wrong. Not a surprise at this point though. Oliver’s morphology is precisely within the standard deviations for Pan Troglodytes. Please present a citation to support your claims.

Being the only ONE known example of that, is certainly NOT in the standard range of variation lol.

You keep repeating yourself and running a circular Gish Gallop that goes nowhere outside of your own head. Good luck with... whatever.

Tell you what, since you feel so qualified to discuss genetics, you post your CV and I’ll post mine and we can see what’s what. You are an expert right?

A geneticist from the University of Chicago examined Oliver's chromosomes and determined that Oliver had 48, not 47, chromosomes. Oliver also had an unusual mitochondrial DNA sequence indicating he could represent a unique population of Chimpanzees never encountered before. (for more on Oliver: click on

( PDF )
www.indiana.edu...

Nail in the Coffin ?
Olivers DNA Vs a Common Chimp



this Image came from a Documentary of Oliver ( now Old ) when he was rediscovered

When he he was Rediscovered many years later and placed in a Sanctuary till his death ..

a reply to: peacefulpete

hi - can you kink to olivers pelvic x-ray images - you know the ones that will demonstrate that he has a sketetal development incompatible with " pan trog. " ??????????????

a reply to: peter vlar

I have one reply.

A real "Paleoanthropologidt" wouldn't be making sarcastic, meaningless remarks while claiming to be a Paleoanthropologidt.

I suggest you use your advanced technology and ur brilliance to surf back to Pornhub.

a reply to: peter vlar

Also would a real "Paleoanthropologidt" be misspelling his own job title that he's bragging about?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: peacefulpete

hi - can you kink to olivers pelvic x-ray images - you know the ones that will demonstrate that he has a sketetal development incompatible with " pan trog. " ??????????????

I obviously never claimed to be an X-ray technician who had personally X-rayed the creature that the thread is about.

originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: peacefulpete

No sir! two surrounded a snorkler lady and thrashed her around and she said they put their snouts between her knees and knocked side to side. The lady was freaked out and ushered away by a bunch of people.

It wasnt quite as erotic as the Shape of Water, IMHO

I still don't know what you're talking about lol but I starred your post for the entertainment of imagining that happening lol.

originally posted by: Wolfenz

A geneticist from the University of Chicago examined Oliver's chromosomes and determined that Oliver had 48, not 47, chromosomes. Oliver also had an unusual mitochondrial DNA sequence indicating he could represent a unique population of Chimpanzees never encountered before. (for more on Oliver: click on

( PDF )
www.indiana.edu...

Nail in the Coffin ?
Olivers DNA Vs a Common Chimp



this Image came from a Documentary of Oliver ( now Old ) when he was rediscovered

When he he was Rediscovered many years later and placed in a Sanctuary till his death ..

Nice. I did mention & show that small bit of anomalous DNA in the video, and I believe that screenshot is from the documentary "The Human Chimp."

Apparently it shows a small bit of anomalous DNA but I don't think anyone has explained what that small difference might actually mean?

Along those lines, I don't think anyone knows what a lot of DNA really means, in the first place.

a reply to: peacefulpete

sigh - evasive little critter - aint you

but seriously - dont you find it rather odd - that , given the claims about oliver - which you regurgitate

no pelvic x-rays have been published ????

if oliver really was a " hybrid " with a unique sketetal structure

why has it not been documented - by the fast , easy , reliable technique of pelivic x-ray ??????????????

if the claims = true - it would deliver evidence of olivers uniquness

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: peacefulpete

sigh - evasive little critter - aint you

but seriously - dont you find it rather odd - that , given the claims about oliver - which you regurgitate

no pelvic x-rays have been published ????

if oliver really was a " hybrid " with a unique sketetal structure

why has it not been documented - by the fast , easy , reliable technique of pelivic x-ray ??????????????

if the claims = true - it would deliver evidence of olivers uniquness

The big tragedy of the case is that Oliver's body was not preserved after death. It was cremated, with good intentions, but it was really misguided IMO. The knowledge of studying his body after death, would have been invaluable to science.

The documentary "The Human Chimp" is available on YouTube, and it includes his time in Japan, during which they did various tests on him.

One test was supposed to measure Oliver's center of gravity, in his body, and it was reported to be more similar to humans than chimps. However, the documentary is blurry (as per old TV shows being blurry), and I don't speak Japanese, plus it was back in the 70's, so it's no wonder that this particular study has not been more well-known. It's also the only known study like that AFAIK.

However, here's the thing:

His habitual upright walk indicates that his skeletal structure was different.

Because normal chimps' are limited by their skeletal structure making it difficult to walk upright.

That alone indicates a different skeletal structure.

Plus if you look at video of Oliver walking, next to vid of a normal chimp walking upright, it's just plain obvious that the two vids are showing something different. Normal chimps don't walk like Oliver even when they are straining to walk upright, their upright-walk is much more clumsy and unbalanced and strained. It's the opposite of Oliver actually preferring to walk upright in a much more steady gait.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Yet a another thread of yours where you end up arguing endlessly with other posters and then start insulting them and calling them trolls?

Cheer up - it's Christmas!

originally posted by: peacefulpete
a reply to: peter vlar

I have one reply.

A real "Paleoanthropologidt" wouldn't be making sarcastic, meaningless remarks while claiming to be a Paleoanthropologidt.

My sincere apologies that replying from my phone and my arthritis led to a typographical error. It doesn’t change the fact that you’re a clueless dolt pushing an unsustainable non-hypothesis that isn’t supported by any science whatsoever. For example, your insistence that Oliver’s habitual bipedalism is a definitive indicator of a drastically different post cranial skeletal morphology. Your uneducated insistence that something is a fact without being able to support your claim should be far more embarrassing than a minor typographical error if that’s the biggest issue with my previous response.

I suggest you use your advanced technology and ur brilliance to surf back to Pornhub.

I don’t need to surf porn hub, I sleep next to a beautiful woman who is warm and made of flesh because I didn’t order her from a pop up ad on pornhub and she isn’t made of silicone and latex. So perhaps instead of dodging posts because you know you can’t actually support your thesis statement and resorting to ad hominems and logical fallacies, try getting a library card as opposed to impressing the ladies with your knowledge of free internet porn streaming. Learning something new or admitting errors when you’re incorrect, can be very useful in regards to personal growth and freeing yourself of a 7th grade mentality.

Anytime you want to attempt to support our position with something resembling science as opposed to cynical, hyperbolic conjecture based on your self proclaimed advanced knowledge of comparative anatomy and post cranial morphology, please feel free. I would be thrilled to discuss the actual Science. You know, that stuff you dodged whenever anybody in the thread posted anything that was contrary to your wet dream of magical genetics that only exist in Oz. But hey... why put yourself in a position to continue embarrassing yourself when you can try to pin the problems With your beliefs on anyone dissenting with... facts.

originally posted by: peacefulpete
a reply to: peter vlar

Also would a real "Paleoanthropologidt" be misspelling his own job title that he's bragging about?

Well, it’s not a job title as much as it was a one line amended CV. And as I already mentioned, it was a minor typo. Nothing close to the grossly negligent and intellectually dishonest “facts” that you insist must Ben true because...
You said so.

If you want to talk about science, you should be prepared to provide citations and actually support your position instead of getting bent out of shape because people with actual backgrounds in fields related to the topic at hand point out
You’re logical and intellectual fallacies. Have fun surfing porn hub with your inflatable Fiancé by your side champ🦄

a reply to: oldcarpy

It’s jist business as usual ‘round these parts. Make sure you proof read your post and don’t make a typo because it apparently negates anything resembling a fact. It must be some millennial voodoo they found on pornhub

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: peacefulpete

Yet a another thread of yours where you end up arguing endlessly with other posters and then start insulting them and calling them trolls?

Cheer up - it's Christmas!

You revived a thread from September to say that lol. Merry Christmas though.

a reply to: peter vlar

Look, back in September, when this thread was active, I thought you were trolling... And then boasting of your own credentials, to back up your trolling... Plus misspelling your own credentials that you were bragging about, to back up your trolling lol.

And now in December, you're bantering about the thread from September.

Sorry, I still can't take you seriously.

You not only misspelled "Paleoanthropologidt," but you also misspelled "european Homijids." Come on man lol.

A geneticist? No, Paleoanthropologidt with a qualified level of knowledge on ancient Pleistocene genetics in european Homijids, specifically Neanderthal.

That's 3 typos, in two sentences, in which you're bragging of your expertise lol.

So I don't believe you, that you're a "Paleoanthropologidt," who studies "european Homijids."

Besides, what real objection did you ever have, in the first place?

Cross-species breeding has been observed for hundreds of years, at least, with horses & donkeys & mules.

The fact Humans and Chimps have a different amount of chromosomes makes it impossible for a hybrid. Look at downs syndrome and the consequences it has on a person. The closest (extinct and i know there are more) Living thing to a human is a neanderthal and they don't have much of a genetic impact (Europeans are on the higher end of variants while Africans are on the lower end). Even though we can still find evidence of our ancestors mating with them in our DNA there are none left and every other living species closest to us are incompatible. The fact a lot of our DNA is the same doesn't mean a thing as mice share 92%.

I'm not a scientist or study any of this so correct me if i am wrong.

originally posted by: EnglishFerret
The fact Humans and Chimps have a different amount of chromosomes makes it impossible for a hybrid. Look at downs syndrome and the consequences it has on a person. The closest (extinct and i know there are more) Living thing to a human is a neanderthal and they don't have much of a genetic impact (Europeans are on the higher end of variants while Africans are on the lower end). Even though we can still find evidence of our ancestors mating with them in our DNA there are none left and every other living species closest to us are incompatible. The fact a lot of our DNA is the same doesn't mean a thing as mice share 92%.

I'm not a scientist or study any of this so correct me if i am wrong.

OK well I'm not a scientist either, but here's the deal:

Cross-species mating, has been documented for literally THOUSANDS of years.

(I was thinking about it, after my last post.)

While I'm not a scientist, I don't NEED to be a scientist, to acknowledge that cross-species mating has been documented as long as... it's been documented that a MULE can be produced from a horse + donkey.

...Which has been recorded for at least 2 or 3 THOUSAND years, back in ancient Greek / Roman texts.


So literally, there is probably AT LEAST 3 THOUSAND YRS of documentation, of cross-species mating (with a horse + donkey = a mule).

Also, a horse & donkey are more DISTANT relatives... than a human and a chimpanzee.

So for the specific topic of the thread: There' no biological reason to argue against it. Thousands of years of MULES show that cross-species mating is very real.

I don’t believe it.

a reply to: MaxNocerino7

Neither do I. I see that the OP is banging on about spelling, again.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: MaxNocerino7

Neither do I. I see that the OP is banging on about spelling, again.

WTF are you even talking about?

The thread was dead... September of last year...