Oliver the Human-Chimp Hybrid / Humanzee

I know there have been other threads about this case, but those were years ago, and those threads never seemed to pick up steam.

I just recently heard about Oliver, the creature believed to be a human-chimp hybrid / humanzee.

I've been fascinated about this, the last few days, so I made a quick video that summarizes his life.

But before I post my vid, I'll just type out the basic facts of his life:

-- He was taken out of central Africa in 1960, then acquired by some chimp-trainers.

-- They reported that they always thought he was half-human.

-- He always walked upright, which is unlike ANY OTHER KNOWN CHIMPANZEE. (Normally their bone structure compels them to walk on all-fours MOST OF THE TIME, although normal chimps can walk upright briefly, they prefer all-fours.)

-- His physical features resembled those of a human, MORE THAN normal chimps: Smaller head, which was bald; smaller jaw; facial structure flatter and more human-like; ears that were pointier than normal chimps, and positioned higher on his head.

-- His behavior was more intelligent and human-like: He would do chores around the house and property. He preferred the company of humans, rather than monkeys. He watched TV with his owners, he smoked cigars and drank whiskey (lol).

-- He was said to have a SCENT that was different from normal chimps, and they ostracized him as different and unlikeable.

-- He was said to lack attraction to female chimps, and instead, he LUSTED AFTER HUMAN FEMALES. His first owners had to get rid of him, after he tried to mate with the female owner.

-- Initial DNA tests reported 47 chromosomes, which is right in-between the normal 46 of a human, and the normal 48 of a chimp. However, later tests reported that he had the normal 48 (although it was testing mitochondrial DNA, which is maternal, and which still left open the possibility that his PATERNAL DNA might have been anomalous). There were also small anomalies pointed out in the print-out of his mitochondrial DNA, although those anomalies were small, and it was unclear what effect might come from those small differences. (Unfortunately his body was cremated after his death, so there will never be any definitive answers about his DNA.)

-- Nature shows us that 2 different species can mate and produce offspring, the best-known example probably being a horse and donkey mating to produce a mule. There is also the example of a lion and tiger mating to produce a liger (yes that is real lol). So the fact is that 2 species CAN MATE and produce a hybrid, not to mention that chimps and humans share DNA that is almost exactly the same (upwards of 96% the same, or 98% the same, or even 99% the same, depending on who says it).

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And so, with no definitive answers possible, I find the photos, videos, and descriptions of his life as VERY CONVINCING that he was indeed a human-chimp hybrid.

Central Africa does have people living in the same exact areas as chimps, with some families even taking a chimp as a pet. So as unthinkable as it might seem, there is every possibility that some guy decided to pleasure himself with a chimp, which could have led to Oliver's birth. I don't mean to be disgusting lol, but I think that's the best explanation for Oliver.

What do you guys think?

Here's my vid that basically repeats all the basic facts that I just wrote out:

a reply to: peacefulpete

For anyone not that interested in facts here's an interesting take on Oliver...

Discusting humans busy tormenting every other living thing on the planet in the most cruel ways possible.
I wish there is a special hell for everyone that harms animals

originally posted by: peacefulpete
I know there have been other threads about this case, but those were years ago, and those threads never seemed to pick up steam.

I just recently heard about Oliver, the creature believed to be a human-chimp hybrid / humanzee.

I've been fascinated about this, the last few days, so I made a quick video that summarizes his life.

But before I post my vid, I'll just type out the basic facts of his life:

-- He was taken out of central Africa in 1960, then acquired by some chimp-trainers.

-- They reported that they always thought he was half-human.

-- He always walked upright, which is unlike ANY OTHER KNOWN CHIMPANZEE. (Normally their bone structure compels them to walk on all-fours MOST OF THE TIME, although normal chimps can walk upright briefly, they prefer all-fours.)

-- His physical features resembled those of a human, MORE THAN normal chimps: Smaller head, which was bald; smaller jaw; facial structure flatter and more human-like; ears that were pointier than normal chimps, and positioned higher on his head.

-- His behavior was more intelligent and human-like: He would do chores around the house and property. He preferred the company of humans, rather than monkeys. He watched TV with his owners, he smoked cigars and drank whiskey (lol).

-- He was said to have a SCENT that was different from normal chimps, and they ostracized him as different and unlikeable.

-- He was said to lack attraction to female chimps, and instead, he LUSTED AFTER HUMAN FEMALES. His first owners had to get rid of him, after he tried to mate with the female owner.

-- Initial DNA tests reported 47 chromosomes, which is right in-between the normal 46 of a human, and the normal 48 of a chimp. However, later tests reported that he had the normal 48 (although it was testing mitochondrial DNA, which is maternal, and which still left open the possibility that his PATERNAL DNA might have been anomalous). There were also small anomalies pointed out in the print-out of his mitochondrial DNA, although those anomalies were small, and it was unclear what effect might come from those small differences. (Unfortunately his body was cremated after his death, so there will never be any definitive answers about his DNA.)

-- Nature shows us that 2 different species can mate and produce offspring, the best-known example probably being a horse and donkey mating to produce a mule. There is also the example of a lion and tiger mating to produce a liger (yes that is real lol). So the fact is that 2 species CAN MATE and produce a hybrid, not to mention that chimps and humans share DNA that is almost exactly the same (upwards of 96% the same, or 98% the same, or even 99% the same, depending on who says it).

...

And so, with no definitive answers possible, I find the photos, videos, and descriptions of his life as VERY CONVINCING that he was indeed a human-chimp hybrid.

Central Africa does have people living in the same exact areas as chimps, with some families even taking a chimp as a pet. So as unthinkable as it might seem, there is every possibility that some guy decided to pleasure himself with a chimp, which could have led to Oliver's birth. I don't mean to be disgusting lol, but I think that's the best explanation for Oliver.

What do you guys think?

Here's my vid that basically repeats all the basic facts that I just wrote out:

The “initial DNA tests” stating that Oliver only had 47 chromosomes instead of 48 is a completely unsubstantiated claim. The alleged test was conducted in Japan in the late 70’s before the ability to test the genetics actually existed. They were able to test for chromosome count back then but not test his genetics as is claimed. Even then, there is no primary source substantiating this claim.

There is however well documented data and testing from the late 1990’s and primary source material showing that he did in fact have 24 pair of chromosomes. Your view that it doesn’t count because only his MtDNA was tested is misleading. The test for chromosome count is different than the DNA testing. He has 24 pair of chromosomes. Not just 24 on his X and an unknown number in his Y chromosome.

Happily, in 1996, Oliver’s confinement came to an end, when he was retired to an animal sanctuary at Boerne in Texas’s Hill County. Called Primarily Primates, it offered spacious accommodation and allowed Oliver to return to good health. He even gained a female chimpanzee companion there, named Raisin. And as to the news headlines, the sanctuary’s director, Wally Swett, was determined to solve the mystery of his celebrity guest’s taxonomic identity once and for all.
Swett asked Chicago University geneticist Dr David Ledbetter to examine Oliver’s chromosomes, which he did in autumn 1996. His studies revealed that Oliver had 48 (not 47) chromosomes, thus disproving the earlier claim and confirming that he had a normal chromosome count for a common chimpanzee. Swett, however, desired further analyses to pin-point Oliver’s precise status. Accordingly, he persuaded DNA analysis expert Dr John Fly from Texas’s Trinity University and cytogeneticist Dr Charleen Moore from Texas University’s Health Science Center to conduct the most extensive genetic studies ever undertaken with Oliver. Their results were published in 1998 by the American Journal of Physical Anthropology and disclosed the following details.
Standard chromosomal studies fully supported Ledbetter’s findings that Oliver had the diploid chromosome count expected for chimpanzees (i.e. 48, in 24 pairs). They also revealed that his chromosomes possessed banding patterns typical for the common chimpanzee but different from those of humans and bonobos, thereby excluding any possibility of Oliver being a hybrid.
Moreover, when they sequenced a specific portion (312 bp region) of the D-loop region of Oliver’s mitochondrial DNA, they discovered that its sequence corresponded very closely indeed with that of the Central African subspecies of common chimpanzee; and the closest correspondence of all was with a chimp specimen from Gabon in Central-West Africa. This all strongly suggests that Oliver also originated from this region and is simply a common chimp

As for his morphological differences from what most people expect a Pan Troglodyte to possess,

although media accounts had noted that Oliver was toothless (his teeth had been pulled), they had not revealed that primatologist Dr Clifford Jolly had examined Oliver as long ago as 1976. Jolly found that the reason why Oliver did not share the strikingly prognathous (projecting) jaw line of other chimps was due to resorption of the alveolar bone, plus a shortened maxilla and premaxilla (upper jaw bones), and underdeveloped temporal musculature. Jolly had concluded that these features were in turn caused by Oliver’s toothless condition. He also concluded that Oliver’s habitual bipedal gait was due to conditioning.
As for Oliver’s cranial morphology, ear shape, freckles and baldness, these were nothing more than individual variations, well within the range of variability exhibited by the common chimpanzee – a species that presents, in the words of primatologist Prof. W.C. Osman Hill: “a bewildering variety of individual variations”.

The “initial DNA tests” stating that Oliver only had 47 chromosomes instead of 48 is a completely unsubstantiated claim. The alleged test was conducted in Japan in the late 70’s before the ability to test the genetics actually existed. They were able to test for chromosome count back then but not test his genetics as is claimed. Even then, there is no primary source substantiating this claim.

I'm not sure exactly what you're disagreeing about? The Japanese scientists did report 47 chromosomes, and it was reported in a Japanese TV program, of the time. (I mean, I don't speak Japanese, to personally verify what they said, but short of that, it seems to be established as factual. There are clips of that Japanese TV program on YouTube.)

There is however well documented data and testing from the late 1990’s and primary source material showing that he did in fact have 24 pair of chromosomes.

Yes, I acknowledged that in the OP and in my video lol.

Your view that it doesn’t count because only his MtDNA was tested is misleading. The test for chromosome count is different than the DNA testing. He has 24 pair of chromosomes. Not just 24 on his X and an unknown number in his Y chromosome.

...But the fact is that his Y-DNA wasn't tested... Which leaves open the chance of anomalous Y-DNA, right?

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For the last comments: I don't believe that it's established that his teeth were pulled? I think that's a theory to explain his small jaw (plus I'm doubtful that that would cause a smaller jaw anyway).

His upright-walk can't be explained away as conditioning. All you have to do is watch his walk, and then watch a normal chimp walking upright: It's completely different. Oliver's upright-walk implies a different bone structure in his hips / skeleton. (Not to mention that no other chimp has ever walked upright for normal movement, besides Oliver.)

It's also very unconvincing to explain away all his traits on natural randomness. He obviously looked very different from normal chimps, in many different ways.

If it was so normal then we would see more chimps that showed such traits, instead of only one chimp in history to show such traits.

Apparently his DNA was tested fully and he was a chimpanzee.

everything else is just a conspiracy story.

I watched a docu, i believe it was about human- Chimp hybrids and Nazis iirc. Oliver was brought up and i think the conclusion they came to was that he was a subspecies or some kind of variation of Chimps.

a reply to: peacefulpete

Yeah I watched a documentary about him once and the lady said he would come up behind her while doing dishes and force her down and try to bone down.

originally posted by: grey580
Apparently his DNA was tested fully and he was a chimpanzee.

everything else is just a conspiracy story.

His DNA was not tested comprehensively (such as his Y-DNA not being tested), and unfortunately, his body was cremated.

a reply to: TinySickTears

I watched that same one! Was the the one talking about the Nazis impregnating women with chimp semen to make super soldiers or was it another?

a reply to: kimish

I watched a documentary, i believe it was about Human-Chimp hybrids and Nazis

That reminds me, We haven't heard from Jesse in a while...

a reply to: peacefulpete

First of all made me think of a filthy but very funny adult cartoon I saw way back when I was a teenager called Jungle burger.

Second there is no way this was a natural hybrid since we are simply incompatible at the sexual level but that does not rule out a laboratory experiment and of course Stalin was actually having his scientists attempt to create an ape human hybrid.

My personal belief is that if enough of this Chimp's DNA both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA survives to be tested then that it would be shown to have most likely been a survivor of a now extinct sub species of Chimp.

I doubt very much that this was a hybrid.
en.wikipedia.org...


That said today it is actually far more than likely that Human Animal hybrid's have been created, in fact we know they have with human gene's in pig's for example.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I don't believe there's any reason to think that humans and chimps would be physically incompatible, at least, for our "private parts."

I'd expect those "parts" to be very similar.

(I've often heard that, contrary to our expectations, human males have the biggest ****, out of all the primates lol.)

So going on that premise, I don't find it hard to believe at all, that some guy in central Africa could have had a small chimp pet, and maybe he got drunk, and no one was around, and maybe he restrained the small chimp in a certain way, and...

Oliver was born lol.

a reply to: peacefulpete

www.sciencealert.com...

Later genetic testing confirmed he was, in fact, a chimpanzee.

According to the article.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: peacefulpete

www.sciencealert.com...

Later genetic testing confirmed he was, in fact, a chimpanzee.

According to the article.

The article literally only has 3 sentences about Oliver.

Indeed, the world's most famous example of a humanzee ultimately turned out to be nothing of the sort. A performing chimp called Oliver brought to the US from Africa was once suspected (or at least marketed) to be some kind of 'missing link' humanzee hybrid, given his reported human-like appearance, ability to walk upright, and preference for companionship with humans. Later genetic testing confirmed he was, in fact, a chimpanzee.

It would take more than such a brief mention to convince me of that.

Like I said, his DNA was not tested extensively (such as his Y-DNA) and now his body is cremated, unfortunately.

a reply to: peacefulpete

en.wikipedia.org...

Genetic testing

In 1996, while Oliver was still housed by the Buckshire Corporation, a geneticist from the University of Chicago tested portions of his DNA, and revealed that he had the 48 chromosomes of a normal chimpanzee, disproving an earlier claim that he had 47 (the number in between chimps' 48 and humans' 46).[12] In a separate study, Oliver's cranial morphology, ear shape, freckles, and baldness were found to fall within the range of variability exhibited by the common chimpanzee.[13] Further genetic testing, published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, found that Oliver's mitochondrial DNA closely matched that of the central chimpanzee subspecies, which lives in the Republic of the Congo, Gabon, and other areas of Central Africa.[2]

Tested twice.

Still a chimpanzee.

Humans are animals too we just think of our selves as separate for some reason. We are really good at hurting each other too.

It was a chimp, his small jaw due to his teeth being pulled early on in his life, he was trained to walk up right.
Interesting tale but I am leaning towards standard chimp or genetically munted chimp.

I mean....I know it’s far out there and disgusting to think about but..... if it was possible and given the number of sick F@€k$ In the world one would think there would be a few monkey men shambling around already.... I mean rule 34 and all that...


a reply to: Spacespider

a reply to: peacefulpete

I don't believe there's any reason to think that humans and chimps would be physically incompatible, at least, for our "private parts."

They didn't say physically incomparable.

Her is a link that explains why we are not

www.quora.com...

So going on that premise, I don't find it hard to believe at all, that some guy in central Africa could have had a small chimp pet, and maybe he got drunk, and no one was around, and maybe he restrained the small chimp in a certain way, and... Oliver was born lol.

Since that promise is not based on reality as was pointed out to you and you just don't bother to look it up yourself then its not very believable at all.

If it was so normal then we would see more chimps that showed such traits, instead of only one chimp in history to show such traits.

I don't think anyone said it is normal.

And I don't think its wise to say such absolute things.

Maybe there have been many Chimps like him but he was the only one humans observed to be like that.

originally posted by: peacefulpete
a reply to: LABTECH767

I don't believe there's any reason to think that humans and chimps would be physically incompatible, at least, for our "private parts."

I'd expect those "parts" to be very similar.

(I've often heard that, contrary to our expectations, human males have the biggest ****, out of all the primates lol.)

There’s a huge difference in being physically able to engage in the act and genetically being able to produce viable embryos. This hasn’t actually been tested and human sperm can not penetrate the eggs of any of the other Apes with the exception of the Gibbon and those tests only showed that human sperm could penetrate the egg, not that there was an ability to reproduce with them. Our sperm can’t even penetrate the egg of a chimpanzee so no, there is no possibility of succesfulmadmixture between humans and chimpanzees.

So going on that premise, I don't find it hard to believe at all, that some guy in central Africa could have had a small chimp pet, and maybe he got drunk, and no one was around, and maybe he restrained the small chimp in a certain way, and...

Oliver was born lol.

You have a very vivid imagination but not much understanding of biology and genetics.

a reply to: grey580

His mitochondrial (only from mother) DNA was fully tested. That's not conclusive in preventing the possibility of hybrid status.

Jaden