One Word Has People Convinced Mike Pence Wrote Anonymous New York Times Op-Ed

a reply to: Deetermined

I see that John McCain himself has used the term, "lodestar". I wouldn't even be surprised to find out that this op-ed was written by McCain before his death and asked to have it published after he was gone.

Imagine that? Such an act would make Trump look humble.

originally posted by: Simon_Boudreaux
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Why am I here discussing it? I don't know. Why are you or everyone here discussing it?

Because I'm interested in the topic and see something to discuss here. Duh.

Because that's really all we can do until more evidence comes about to show it as true, or just another jab at trying to hurt Trump. Discussing it means looking at every angle.

I'm pretty sure three threads on ATS are doing a good job of "covering every angle" about the known information.

And you aren't the person responsible for determining who leaves a thread or not. I'm not going anywhere. Don't like my opinions or what I say...next time don't reply to my post that you weren't involved, or addressed in.

True. You can totally stay here and troll off topic if you want. I'll report you to the mods and it'll be up to them to remove the posts or not, but you are right that I can't stop you from posting here. I was just merely appealing to the T&C's as well as YOUR specific claim that there is nothing to discuss here. If you believe as such then you don't need to be here. It's simple logic.

Or were you lying when you said there was nothing to discuss about the op-ed since you are threatening to stay in the thread?

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: Deetermined

I see that John McCain himself has used the term, "lodestar". I wouldn't even be surprised to find out that this op-ed was written by McCain before his death and asked to have it published after he was gone.

Imagine that? Such an act would make Trump look humble.

Well, I did read that John McCain planned his over-the-top funeral himself before he died too. LOL!

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Which is why I think this is a setup by Trump himself to take out the NYT.

Wow. Just wow. Here is the man you think can destroy American journalism with a stealthy blow:

Every word in that Op/Ed piece is true. You know it in your heart of hearts and simply refuse to believe that you could have been so mistaken. There is no Q. There is no Deep State. There is only a confused old man and the people trying to keep this country running.

If you can not SEE the set up that was perpetrated upon this President by the likes of the FBI higher ups and the DNC, I would worry about your own mind and comprehension skills.

I didn't vote for Trump but I don't play the idiot to defend a party that doesn't give a crap about me. Might want to rethink your defending a giant nest of sewer rats like those exposed in this entire set up.

As usual, all road always leading back to the pantsuit, with Obama close by to help.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Except I was discussing it by replying to cwm's post. You took me off that topic by replying to me trying to say I thought the story was just a plant, which I still can't figure out how you reached that conclusion.

originally posted by: Simon_Boudreaux
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Except I was discussing it by replying to cwm's post. You took me off that topic by replying to me trying to say I thought the story was just a plant, which I still can't figure out how you reached that conclusion.

Dude I was replying to what YOU told ME in THIS post:

It's an opinion piece, until the person who wrote it, you, or someone else can provide something to substantiate it, there's no point in discussing it. Other than to speculate. Prove to us this is a true piece, and I'll happily discuss it with you.

The only thing interesting about the article is the use of one word, and that is even suspect, as I doubt Pence is that stupid to use it and give himself away.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Moreover i dont get why people from both sides of the political spectrum are not angry over a secret group of people (probably mostly unelected) working within the govt to undermine a President.

Why? Read my signature.

I did just read your signature - it doesn't really make any practical sense. It might be a good quote on a t-shirt for those that like to think of themselves as rebels, but it doesn't have any utility, or hold any truth, in the real world where administration and leadership are actually required. Without leaders in Govt and society, your country would not really exist, so I'd suggest it is wholly unpatriotic to support the undermining of your leader when he's done precisely nothing wrong.

a reply to: UKTruth

So you are saying that we should never question our leaders and government because they are necessary for society to function?

I think it possibly could be McCain channeling through Hillary.

That's my latest take on it....

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your post, top of page 9. I neither posted to you, nor replied to you, until that.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: angeldoll

So, somehow it's fine for a sitting 'president' to try and 'take out' a newspaper business and interfere with the free market?

So, somehow it's fine for a newspaper to try and take out a sitting President that was elected by the people?

Yes.

It's part of the media's job in a free society to keep the government on it's toes. I think it was G K Chesterton who said the press's relationship to government is that of a dog to a lamp post.

Having said that, a presidential scalp has been the highest aim of the US media since Nixon. Look at the way they circled Clinton in 98.

On the other hand, a government that tries to interfere with the running of the press is unacceptable in a free society.

Checks and balances.

originally posted by: toolgal462


If you can not SEE the set up that was perpetrated upon this President by the likes of the FBI higher ups and the DNC, I would worry about your own mind and comprehension skills.

Evidence? We don't need no steenking evidence. It's obvious that the set up was perpetrated upon this President by the likes of the FBI higher ups and the DNC. Don't question. Just agree.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

So you are saying that we should never question our leaders and government because they are necessary for society to function?

No. Questioning is fine. Even better is voting them out if they don't meet expectations.
That's not the same as actively, and secretly, trying to sabotage. To cheer on that is, as I said, wholly unpatriotic.

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: angeldoll

So, somehow it's fine for a sitting 'president' to try and 'take out' a newspaper business and interfere with the free market?

So, somehow it's fine for a newspaper to try and take out a sitting President that was elected by the people?

Yes.

It's part of the media's job in a free society to keep the government on it's toes. I think it was G K Chesterton who said the press's relationship to government is that of a dog to a lamp post.

Having said that, a presidential scalp has been the highest aim of the US media since Nixon. Look at the way they circled Clinton in 98.

On the other hand, a government that tries to interfere with the running of the press is unacceptable in a free society.

Checks and balances.

The only people trying to interfere with the running of the press is the press themselves - lobbying for their competitors or rivals to be banned. That's REAL interference, as opposed to criticism, which is not at all interference.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Checks and balances.

That we can agree on. I believe Trump has every right to keep the media in check as well.

a reply to: Swills

Sounds more like an intentional attempt to deflect the author by pinning it on somebody else. Not surprising. We've seen this same tactic used relentlessly.

Makes no sense though, since Pence can't be fired.

And although it'd be rather comical if Pence were the leak, it certainly is not. This is yet another leftist prognostication that will pan out to.....yet another darn nothing burger. A nothing burger with extra nothing

A VP can not be fired, but they can certainly be impeached.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Checks and balances.

That we can agree on. I believe Trump has every right to keep the media in check as well.

No. No he does not. The media is there to keep him in check. That is why we have the First Amendment.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Simon_Boudreaux

ORRRRRRR they are really desperate to get Trump to act appropriately and trying more extreme measures to accomplish this.

Maybe the President will be a "new man" at tonight's big rally in Montana! More stiff, proper, and, eh hem... "PRESIDENTIAL".

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: NiNjABackflip
a reply to: Deetermined

I see that John McCain himself has used the term, "lodestar". I wouldn't even be surprised to find out that this op-ed was written by McCain before his death and asked to have it published after he was gone.

Imagine that? Such an act would make Trump look humble.

Well, I did read that John McCain planned his over-the-top funeral himself before he died too. LOL!

At least they didn't have to Photoshop the pictures to look like it was well-attended...LOL
Trump inauguration crowd photos were edited after he intervened