Legal Weed Is a Reality in America, but Congress Refuses to Admit It

a reply to: andy06shake

Oi, don't tarnish folk with a scabby brush because they sell illegal products!
Some of my closest friends are traders of class A, B, and C goods.
How do you improve the quality of a plant? People choose their product based on quality anyway, if you sell crap pot people won't come back for seconds lol
Honestly mate, it will always be sold illegally the way the UK taxes stuff, smuggled alcohol from Russia, and Lithuanian tobacco products in my local store prove that.
Product quality concerns is a total myth, people choose based on quality as it is. Greater competition will only make illegal traders up their game...but it will always be sold illegally tax free, same as cigs and booze are.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
When medical use marijuana is legalized federally, does anyone want to take bets on the amount stress and depression disorders goes up?

50%
75%
??
Anyone?

Sure
They're going to go down and not up

Seeing as all three countries are pro weed I wonder if the herb will be part of the NAFTA agreement eventually.

a reply to: TinySickTears
LMAO! They will go up as loads of people lie to their doctor saying they need a prescription for cannabis!
Come on dude, I thought you were streetwise!
In England a prescription is £8.00 so I'd definitely blag my doctor for a script...in Scotland prescriptions are free so expect a # load of suddenly depressed Scot's wanting cannabis off their doctor if it is legalised here lol.

a reply to: TinySickTears

If he doesn't, the Democrats are going to overtake him on that issue. They are by far coming around on this issue quicker than GOP. So if Trump wants credit for this, then he needs to act soon. If Democrats end up ginning up support in the House and then in the Senate on their own to send a veto proof bill to Trump's desk then he will have lost his opportunity. I'm sure he'd still attempt to spin it as a victory for himself though. It just wouldn't be as convincing if he acted before that happened.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

Sure
They're going to go down and not up

I think he meant how many people will claim they have stress or depression to get the medical ganja.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Too late. He's already on this...

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Aye it will always be illegal, and if not, any government that does legalize the stuff won't be around long enough to reap any rewards, that's a given.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TinySickTears

Sure
They're going to go down and not up

I think he meant how many people will claim they have stress or depression to get the medical ganja.

I missed it.
As soon as I read the post from Cornish I got it.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Too late. He's already on this...

Oh come on! That photo is obviously photo shopped. Do you think that Trump would use such a plain looking bong? It would be inlaid with gold and be 5 feet high. It would be the biggest bong ever. Many people would agree.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Never mind the people who lie to get cannabis then just sell it on for the profit.
I think it is why the UK has been slow to move towards medical use cannabis. Medicines are free on prescription in Scotland and cost £8.00 per drug in England if you are not unemployed. People unemployed will just lie that they are depressed, get the the medical cannabis, then sell it.

We have a massive market of 'silver dealers' in the UK, old folk who sell their Tramadol, Opiates, antibiotics, whatever, you name it and you can buy it off a pensioner.
Exactly the same will happen to cannabis if they charge it at the regular prescription rate or free for people out of work.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrepid

That's what I mean. This is an example of an ACTUAL policy that will bank Trump a lot of political capital. Only the truest partisan Democrats would fight him on this. But screw them. Even I'm willing to sit aside my disgust for the man if he got behind legalizing weed. That is the first step in ending the War on Drugs which is a policy goal of mine for a LONG LONG time now.

you are of course forgetting one major issue. that being anything Trump gets the big fail especially from democrats, and even some Republicans. and is used to show how he shouldn't be Presedent. that is the reality of the currant political climate. add onto that of course that a lot of Trump supporters are those that have bought in deep to the lie of how bad marijuana is through the years of indoctrunation about it. far from giving Trump a lot of political capital, it could likely be Trump cutting his own throat.

beyond that it is not Trump who makes the laws. unless of course you are wanting him to do as Obama and rule via executive order. but the problem with that other than as anything else those suffering from TDS will of course use that as well as the legalization against him. then there is the issue of any other future President can just as easily make it illegal again. rather like happened with the ponzy scheme Paris climate accords. something Obama chose to do on his own without making it real by having it passed by congress and the senate, which let Trump cancel it simply by saying it's gone.


no legalization needs to be done by the Congress and senate just as for any law. then it will be a real and permanant law. needing the same bodies to vote to change the law, through the same process if they decide to cancel it at a lator time.

i will also state i am very much against any special taxes being applied to it. having taxes on it like they do in states where it is currantly legal is UNFAIR TAXATION, just like it is for other things like cigarettes and alcohol, or products like gas. unfaire being the part where it is only people using those products that are paying more than their fair share of taxes. it is about time that such unfair taxation through things like sin taxes is made illegal. if the states or federal governments need more tax money. they should be increasing the taxes EVERYONE has to pay such as state and federal income tax. if it were up to me that any special taxes on anything should soley be used to support what is being taxed. thus you could have a special tyax on sports tickets or concert tickets, that would be used to pay building and maintanance costs on that building used, or to help build a new facility in that area. extra taxes on things such as cigarettes and alcohal shold only be allowed to be used to help smokers/drinkers issues. like they could use it to treat patiants that are suffering the direct effects from them drinking or smoking. or in the case of cigarettes and pot used to build and maintain things such a smoking areas in their areas. an example would be where it is now apparently illegal to smoke in public housing. funds collected through cigarette and pot taxes could be used for building and maintaining separate smoking enclosiers so that people would have a safe, dry, warm/cool place to smoke out of the elements. as well as in public buildings such as airports. and such taxes would still need to be evenly applied so that with things like cars, where some places have a gas tax to supposedly pay for road builing, maintanance, and to help pay for public transit would also have to be evenly applied to cars that do not use gas, or as much gas such as electric and hybrid vehicles. and of course that such funds collected could only be legally used for the stated purposes.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not his bong. Sharing one with Tommy Chong... his Director of Weed.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not his bong. Sharing one with Tommy Chong... his Director of Weed.

Ohhhh ok. Makes sense now.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Bluntone22
When medical use marijuana is legalized federally, does anyone want to take bets on the amount stress and depression disorders goes up?

50%
75%
??
Anyone?

Sure
They're going to go down and not up

More like double or triple.
People will lie to get a prescription

a reply to: generik

Trump doesn't need to make any laws. He just needs to tell the GOP to make a law. The GOP cowers before him. So telling them what to do will make it happen.

Also, I really doubt the American base will stop any pro-pot bills out of partisan hate. But even if that were true, it would still make sense to get behind the issue and then you can use its defeat as evidence that Trump hate bias is real.

i will also state i am very much against any special taxes being applied to it. having taxes on it like they do in states where it is currantly legal is UNFAIR TAXATION, just like it is for other things like cigarettes and alcohol, or products like gas. unfaire being the part where it is only people using those products that are paying more than their fair share of taxes. it is about time that such unfair taxation through things like sin taxes is made illegal.

Sin taxes have existed since Washington's time. Ever heard of the Whiskey Rebellion?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Bluntone22
When medical use marijuana is legalized federally, does anyone want to take bets on the amount stress and depression disorders goes up?

50%
75%
??
Anyone?

Sure
They're going to go down and not up

More like double or triple.
People will lie to get a prescription

It happens with all prescription drugs in the UK. The NHS must lose millions each year from the sick people who sell allsorts like opiates and Prozac.
Honestly, it's easier and quicker for me to get black market pain relief from a pensioner than it is to get a doctor's appointment.
If they start getting free cannabis as well then that will be sold on within days of the law passing.
The UK government knows this and unless they change the pricing structure of prescription drugs then all that will happen is the NHS will effectively be subsidising illegal sales.

a reply to: Bluntone22

People will lie to get a smile if it's so desirable.

But when the system essentially requires deception to achieve desirable results questions need to be asked!

Because it means that truth has become counterproductive really.

a reply to: andy06shake
The only way it'll be legalised for medical use in the UK is if it becomes the one 'medicine' which isn't free on prescription in Scotland or £8.00 a pop in England. They will have to charge market rates or people will sell it on.
Heck I'd be tempted, imagine a script for say 20gms for a month, I'd pay £8.00 to the NHS then sell it on making a massive profit.
Until that issue is addressed then it will remain illegal for medical use. Pure economics and black market dodgy dealings will dictate that.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

It also needs to pass EMA production and use requirements. Just like here in the States, one of the less talked about things standing in the way of national medical legalization is that the FDA still needs to approve medicines that pass its stringent testing requirements.