Smart Cities, A Sustainable Future or Open Air Prison? - You decide

a reply to: toysforadults
Well, it sounds like something mostly Europeans will fall for. Half of America will be trying to figure out how they can profit on a smart city from speculation, the other half will be stealing it away piece by piece to sell for dope and scratch off tickets.

Sure sounds like it will be entertaining to witness.

a reply to: musicismagic

oh no these cities aren't for everyone

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: toysforadults
Well, it sounds like something mostly Europeans will fall for. Half of America will be trying to figure out how they can profit on a smart city from speculation, the other half will be stealing it away piece by piece to sell for dope and scratch off tickets.

Sure sounds like it will be entertaining to witness.

In many parts of Europe, particularly smaller cities, there isn't the problem with gangs or ethnic tensions. A small university or college city is the perfect place to live, especially if you are in academic, industrial research or corporate research. But everyone else gets priced out.

a reply to: stormcell

everyone else gets EDITED out "

a reply to: stormcell

so thats ok? pricing others out?

a reply to: stormcell
Oh there will be no pricing out. Generous socialist governments will simply reserve these cities for the refugees they welcome with open arms and no vetting.

It really doesn’t matter how they try to sell this dystopia. I prefer to be free from the nanny state. I would rather live a less convenient, less safe life as a free man than in a gilded cage made by people who don’t share my values or my ideals.

a reply to: toysforadults

Whoever insists they'll get one without the other is entirely deluded.

yeah, I want zero parts of this. my vote is that this would be an open air prison.......count me out

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: toysforadults

Just Another Name for a Contained SMART Prison . Your Every Move Scanned and Recorded . 1984 Anyone ? .Hmm....

Ohh, ohh, I know, the US since 2001!

Mass surveillance in the United States From Wikipedia

What do I win?

Seems a bit too predictable, to me.

I prefer my weather to be surprising. I prefer to live, as much as is possible these days, on my own terms.

I don't need meticulously trimmed hedges, or lawns, recycled air, or whatever these "Utopian" have.

Even the Garden of Eden had a serpent. I wonder what the serpent in these gardens are?

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: stormcell
Oh there will be no pricing out. Generous socialist governments will simply reserve these cities for the refugees they welcome with open arms and no vetting.

There are small towns in England that are like this. Everything within walking distance and connected by train to other towns. Trondheim in Norway. A university town surrounded by hundreds of miles of fjords and mountains.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: argentus

I have a problem with the people behind it and I don't think it's an organic manifestation of such a society. That's what scares me.

I -believe- an event will lead to forcing this on us once the beta testing is done.

That is a very important point you make here and I share your opinion. This movement should be an organic one and it does not feel that way. It has also been too quick and some manufactured collapse or other catastrophe will be necesarry to get us to accept it.

'Satoshi Nakamoto' creating Bitcoin to directly free us pleebs from TPTBs banking shackles has never quite sat right with me either. Probable definite elite sponsored project funded and launched 'anonymously' to be a perfect beta test for the new monetary system that they will remain in control of.

Though, that still means hodl if you are under, and buy the dip in the meantime.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: stormcell

so thats ok? pricing others out?

That's happening in Oslo, London and Venice. The international super-wealthy are buying up property as an investment and status symbol, then pricing everyone else out. I don't think it's ok, nor do the locals.

a reply to: toysforadults

When I think of the future it looks like what I think is X-men (future past maybe), and in the beginning of that movie, individuals shuffle around with things on their necks in which I think is Central Park in a giant outdoor prison.

Or maybe a hive-mind, where the collective is better than the individual, hmmmm what country is that like?

Also, glad you mentioned Elysium as I just mentioned that movie and am also drinking a beer by such a name.

Drink for thought. Awesome post

a reply to: toysforadults

Hope this helps

The NWO uses guns but they also use deception, deceit, lies and trickery

Deliberately exterminating all traditional cultures that place a value on love, truth and inherited wisdom is part of the NWO agenda.

Did any of us ever vote on this agenda and many of the of international covenants and treaties that have been put in place?

Why are all of these sorts of initiatives always coming from the top down? How many of them have resulted from grass roots movements (those that were not controlled that is.)

Are the democracies of the world controlled by 'we the people" or they "managed democracies" ?

a reply to: Metallicus

Wow, that was sweetly said

a reply to: norhoc

The only thing 1984 didn’t get right, is that we’d be asking for the screens like meow-mix

How dare we be caught without our devices?

Would we even exist?

Does a bear...

We should go the woods more often...

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Are we that last untinkered with babies?

Matrix? Pesticides? Bigfoot? Monsanto? Infertility? Rise of Autism? Bueller?

Makes me think of the flick Children of Man (?)

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: stormcell
Oh there will be no pricing out. Generous socialist governments will simply reserve these cities for the refugees they welcome with open arms and no vetting.

There are small towns in England that are like this. Everything within walking distance and connected by train to other towns.

That sums up my world, aside from needing to move my tools etc my life is solely on foot. Shopping, friends houses, pubs, entertainment, beaches, train/bus stations, all walking distance.
I don't really know what to think about this 'smart city' thing because most buildings in my parts are a couple of hundred years old and you would have to demolish it all and start again to create this dys/utopia here.

The only changes I can see for the future here is the cashless society with the state knowing every transaction through digital records. That will be easy to circumnavigate though as drug dealers will suddenly become 'legit' businesses selling a phony product and paying tax, or even just using offshore bank accounts when taking card payments.

I don't see the worry myself and struggle to understand how my life will actually be changed much from what it is in my lifetime. Maybe I'll need a retina scan to enter govt buildings or something, meh, hardly an inconvenience. The govt already has my photo, fingerprints, and my DNA so unless they want blood samples to do my shopping I don't see the problem.

Maybe the OP could explain his fears in a way I can understand will affect my life in a negative way?
I'm not being argumentative here either, I just genuinely don't see the specific practical problems this could cause me.