Cohen to plead guilty

Looks like Mueller came up dry on any Russian collusion - AGAIN.
However Cohen did plead guilty to campaign finance fraud. Now this relates to the stormy daniels payment and one other woman, and Cohen has made a statement that this was in coordination with Trump... so this is the first bullet that has actually hit Trump in 2 years of trying to find something on him.
What is interesting is that Mueller has charged Cohen with campaign finance fraud over these payments. There is much debate about whether such a payment is campaign related, indeed the ex chairman of the FEC says they are not in any way campaign related.
I think Mueller probably knows he couldn't get this to stick at trial, but he has Cohen on another crime.
I would imagine Cohen's deal is dependent on him pleading guilty to the campaign element.

a reply to: Kharron

Ahhh that's what you don't understand. It does not have to be paid from a campaign account. It can be paid from any account because the crime is not how it was paid, the crime is that it was not disclosed on the campaign disclosures, as it was a major investment into the outcome of an election.

That's where you've been duped by the media. If it wasn't related to the campaign, it doesn't have to be disclosed on the campaign disclosures. This was a personal issue, not a campaign issue. Your theory would absolutely not hold up in a court of law in reality. The media hyped this beyond reason.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes, if cohen was directed to intentionally break finance laws by trump, this does seem to be a crime by trump.

If so, trump should be investigated and charged.

Experts have said that any deal could have dramatic implications for the president, who has worked closely with Cohen for more than a decade. The deal Cohen reached, however, does not appear to include cooperation with investigators, The New York Times reported, citing two people familiar with the matter. Cohen could still choose to cooperate.

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This is classic doublespeak buried 11 paragraphs in.

Michael Cohen earned his bones today. Do you think he would have been buying million dollar properties if he was worried about his finances being tied up?

This closes another door. If there was ANYTHING substantial it would have already been leaked. Sentenced to a few years out in 11 months on good behavior with ALL that money still there.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes, if cohen was directed to intentionally break finance laws by trump, this does seem to be a crime by trump.

If so, trump should be investigated and charged.

Well he can't be charged, at least not until he is no longer President.
Whether Trump coordinated just in the sense that he wanted Cohen to sort the payments, or whether he was actually scheming to get around campaign laws is not clear.

There is a big difference between ' Hey Michael pay these women' to 'pay these women but don't report it as a campaign expenses

Will be interesting to see exactly what Cohen is claiming.

a reply to: Kharron

11 Legal Experts opinions

Interestingly, these 11 legal experts paint a different picture.

Now, why do you think that Vox took the opinions of 10 (out of 11) law professors? Probably because Vox knows that they spent a lifetime in a classroom instead of a courtroom!

a reply to: Dfairlite

Nope, that's the problem with the whole thing. This isn't the public holding anyone accountable. This is the swamp prosecuting people not in their club because they can. Believe me, once the next swamp rat gets in there will be no prosecutions.

That might be the case. I mean it's great that people can still be convicted of white-collar crime in Washington, but then again, we cannot say for sure whether it will continue to occur, or whether this is just a political/deep state hit job. The investigation was rigged from the beginning.

a reply to: UKTruth

well, he could be impeached, and then be charged, but they ain't gonna impeach any president over a campaign finance violation. but, if enough evidence is presented to prove illegalities that are far more serious, then yes, you probably could find the idea that you can't prosecute a sitting president challenged with or without impeachment.

In total, Cohen pleaded guilty to five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution.

So, what specifically is the "unlawful corporate contribution" and "excessive campaign contribution"?

www.foxnews.com...

"In coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office"...this is going to get interesting fast.

Twitter's server rooms/buildings are going to get physically heavier after the tweet storm that will come this evening.

Ok...now cohens is doing a he said she said thing here. earlier he said trump didnt do anything wrong and was on record. noe he says he was lying. how can we believe him at all after that though?

originally posted by: narrator
"In coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office"...this is going to get interesting fast.

Twitter's server rooms/buildings are going to get physically heavier after the tweet storm that will come this evening.

I believe Trump has a rally tonight. It will be interesting to hear.

Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty to Illegal Payoffs to Women at Trump’s ‘Direction’

Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance law on Tuesday and said he did so “at the direction” of President Donald Trump. Trump’s former attorney and fixer pleaded guilty to eight federal counts — five counts of tax evasion, one count of making a false statement to a financial institution, one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution — in a deal with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan

Many on this thread are downplaying this but it seems to me they are breathing down Trumps neck

www.thedailybeast.com...

Forget Russian collusion that's already been proven with the meeting of Trump son.

Trump has so many crimes around him you can't count them.

originally posted by: Willtell
Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty to Illegal Payoffs to Women at Trump’s ‘Direction’

Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance law on Tuesday and said he did so “at the direction” of President Donald Trump. Trump’s former attorney and fixer pleaded guilty to eight federal counts — five counts of tax evasion, one count of making a false statement to a financial institution, one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution — in a deal with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan

Many on this thread are downplaying this but it seems to me they are breathing down Trumps neck

www.thedailybeast.com...

Forget Russian collusion that's already been proven with the meeting of Trump son.

Trump has so many crimes around him you can't count them.

Hahahaha!

You let your true intentions slip.

Yes, thats right, forget russian collusion.

Oops, sorry, the intel community and mueller were wrong about that.

But it gave them a reason to raid trumps lawyer and maybe get him for campaign finance violations (like Obama committed and no one cared about).

Mots objective people know this was the play all along.

Wiretap, plant spies, raid lawyers, charge people connected with trump for crimes that are almost never enforced; whatever was necessary to get trump on any crime whatsoever.

Russia collsuion? What is that?

Nah now we are talking about the REAL serious law breaking, finance violations!

hey, they're on a roll!!!

Rep. Duncan Hunter and his wife, Margaret, were indicted Tuesday on charges related to the misuse of $250,000 worth of campaign funds for personal expenses and the filing of false campaign finance records.
The charges of wire fraud, falsifying records, campaign finance violations and conspiracy were the culmination of a Department of Justice investigation that has stretched for more than a year, during which the Republican congressman from California has maintained his innocence.
The Justice Department said the Hunters are scheduled to be arraigned Thursday morning in federal court in San Diego.
Republican Party leaders had long worried that with a potential indictment looming, Hunter's traditionally safe district, which makes up much of eastern San Diego County, could be at risk of Democratic takeover in November's midterm election.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Grambler

They are scraping the barrel to save face after 2 years of tin foil hat conspiracies and blind hope of having the election overturned.
The last Presidents campaign was investigated and fined for campaign finance violations. I guess for this President they will be after thr death penalty, lol
Liberals are funny.

a reply to: dawnstar

Now all we need is to see Hillary Clinton indicted for her $84 million campaign money laundering scheme through the 34 state Democrat parties and the party representatives that went along with it.

nvm

It wasn't the blow job in the oval office....
It was the lying about the blow job in the oval office.

Might not be the campaign finance violations but the lying about the campaign finance violations.

a reply to: Grambler

Lol yes I did...
Rewrote my post!