On the synthesis between revealed Judeo-Christian tradition & the way of the Tao.

a reply to: TzarChasm

In the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu explains that beings (or phenomena) that are wholly in harmony with the Tao behave in a completely natural, uncontrived way. The goal of spiritual practice for the human being is, according to Lao Tzu, the attainment of this purely natural way of behaving, as when the planets revolve around the sun. The planets effortlessly do this revolving without any sort of control, force, or attempt to revolve themselves, thus engaging in effortless and spontaneous movement.

According to the Bible, we're only able to do this through the power and belief of Jesus Christ. You were correct in your previous post about how Christianity and Tao don't mix.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

The reason has to do with the thread title.................and I was quoting the Tao until you came in quoting the Bible.

Just admit it. You continually try to tie non-biblical beliefs to biblical scriptures regardless of the title of the thread.

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

The reason has to do with the thread title.................and I was quoting the Tao until you came in quoting the Bible.

Just admit it. You continually try to tie non-biblical beliefs to biblical scriptures regardless of the title of the thread.

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: TzarChasm

In the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu explains that beings (or phenomena) that are wholly in harmony with the Tao behave in a completely natural, uncontrived way. The goal of spiritual practice for the human being is, according to Lao Tzu, the attainment of this purely natural way of behaving, as when the planets revolve around the sun. The planets effortlessly do this revolving without any sort of control, force, or attempt to revolve themselves, thus engaging in effortless and spontaneous movement.

According to the Bible, we're only able to do this through the power and belief of Jesus Christ. You were correct in your previous post about how Christianity and Tao don't mix.

this exclusive mentality should be a red flag for those seeking spiritual enlightenment.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

a reply to: TzarChasm

this exclusive mentality should be a red flag for those seeking spiritual enlightenment.

Once again, that depends on your definition of "spiritual enlightenment" because everyone's definition is different and not everyone is seeking or speaking to the same spirit, even though they want them to be the same.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

The truth does not belong to anyone.............all bodies appear in it and are made of it.

Tao=the way it is.
Christ=the way, the truth, the life.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Tao=the way it is.
Christ=the way, the truth, the life.

Why don't you ask TzarChasm whether he believes that or not? I'm betting not.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Tao=the way it is.
Christ=the way, the truth, the life.

Why don't you ask TzarChasm whether he believes that or not? I'm betting not.

Hey....why don't you ask him/her?
Ssssshhh..do you think he can hear us, lol.
Are you looking for back up? Do you wanna gang up?

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: TzarChasm

this exclusive mentality should be a red flag for those seeking spiritual enlightenment.

Once again, that depends on your definition of "spiritual enlightenment" because everyone's definition is different and not everyone is seeking or speaking to the same spirit, even though they want them to be the same.

you are clearly hung up on the politics of religion.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

The truth does not belong to anyone.............all bodies appear in it and are made of it.

Tao=the way it is.
Christ=the way, the truth, the life.

yes, no, and a little bit of maybe.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

"Just call your God "IS" and be done with it." That is the name of the Mosaic god. "I AM"

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I agree with you. There could also be some truth in what he is saying. Mathematics is not the way to salvation, still, it is true. I wouldn't trust my soul to some "cosmic joke" but if I came from some other culture, and was not aware of the Christian message, some of that might appeal to me. I don't expect he can be saved here. Maybe he will come around in the future but I doubt it. Comparative religion is not the way to god.

Really, the only way I have found for a person to actually be converted to Christianity is for them to have a personal experience with Christ himself. It is deeper than an intellectual debate.

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

"Just call your God "IS" and be done with it." That is the name of the Mosaic god. "I AM"

Yes ...when asked, God said 'I am that I am'.
Isn't there only what there is?
This seeing knowing presence that is seeing and knowing only what is appearing presently?

a reply to: TzarChasm

LOL! There are no politics involved when determining which spirit you choose to listen to and believe in.

Yes, no, and maybe are NOT an answer, just like your attempt to throw politics into it.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

This seeing knowing presence that is seeing and knowing only what is appearing presently?

There you go trying to stuff God into a box limited to space and time again. God has the ability to see past, present, and future all at the same time. That's why we're not God.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

This seeing knowing presence that is seeing and knowing only what is appearing presently?

God has the ability to see past, present, and future all at the same time. That's why we're not God.

If that is your belief ...then he has already seen what you do in the future......................so you have no control over what that body or mind will do......................or is doing now.

This realisation will also reveal peace and great compassion.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So what?............I point only to the truth.....I care not what name has been put on it to hide it.
What is IS.

Your truth and biblical truth are not the same; they contradict each other and you contradict yourself when you try to use it out of context. Just call your God "IS" and be done with it.

"Just call your God "IS" and be done with it." That is the name of the Mosaic god. "I AM"

Yes ...when asked, God said 'I am that I am'.
Isn't there only what there is?
This seeing knowing presence that is seeing and knowing only what is appearing presently?

Don't get carried away. There is more to this life than metaphysics - which is what all you've said so far boils down to.

That and your cosmic joke.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: TzarChasm

LOL! There are no politics involved when determining which spirit you choose to listen to and believe in.

Yes, no, and maybe are NOT an answer, just like your attempt to throw politics into it.

there is politics in sorting out spirits in the manner you describe. just like there is politics in deciding who pays what money to which agency for what purpose. just like there is politics in playing chess with foreign entities while negotiating trade rights and military strategy. if you do not believe me, then take ALL money out of religion and spirituality entirely. remove finances from the equation, remove churches and books from the equation, remove material attachment from the equation. then tell me there are no politics involved.

as for the yes/no/maybe thing...this is how prayers are answered. sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you dont. sometimes you have to wait to be sure of the answer. but mostly its just people asking the universe for an answer they already know. an answer they arent happy with. an answer they want the teacher to bend for them. the answer is the question, and the question is the riddle, and the riddle is the joke, and the joke is the answer, and the answer is the question.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If that is your belief ...then he has already seen what you do in the future......................so you have no control over what that body or mind will do......................or is doing now.

Wrong again. Just because God knows ahead of time what choices I'm going to make doesn't mean that I did not make them for myself. It's called foreknowledge. Something God has the ability to do that we don't.

a reply to: TzarChasm

there is politics in sorting out spirits in the manner you describe. just like there is politics in deciding who pays what money to which agency for what purpose. just like there is politics in playing chess with foreign entities while negotiating trade rights and military strategy. if you do not believe me, then take ALL money out of religion and spirituality entirely. remove finances from the equation, remove churches and books from the equation, remove material attachment from the equation. then tell me there are no politics involved.

as for the yes/no/maybe thing...this is how prayers are answered. sometimes you get what you want, sometimes you dont. sometimes you have to wait to be sure of the answer. but mostly its just people asking the universe for an answer they already know. an answer they arent happy with. an answer they want the teacher to bend for them. the answer is the question, and the question is the riddle, and the riddle is the joke, and the joke is the answer, and the answer is the question.

Your reply to me makes about as much sense as your last sentence all rolled up into one. Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

The hadiths are in the same vein as Popal Bulls. Papul Bulls like "Cum nimis absurdum" that revoked the civil rights for Jews or "Summis desiderantes affectibus" that permitted the prosecution of witches. Most modern day Muslims recognise hadiths as much as Christians recognise historic Papal bulls. They don't.

If we look Wahhabism and recognise it as oppressive. We need understand that Wahhabism was adopted by the family of Saud, a family with Jewish roots, purely to suppress and control islamic populations. So if you have ever wondered why Israel never questions Saudi Arabia purchases of weapons from US etc. Its because Israel controls Saudia Arabia through the family of Saud. Many Muslims know this but they are more concerned with their spirituality than politics this world.

So its very important that we try to understand our mindset. When we are searching for facts that supports a belief system based on hate, we are poisoning our heart. If we are to progress spiritually we need practice love and compassion for all.

Please understand I am not picking you out on this. I am trying help you, which also helps me, understand myself better.